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Post by Sherry on Mar 13, 2011 23:58:24 GMT -5
Saw the vet tonight for Boris. She found he doesn't present as adrenal in her opinion although as she said- he's 3 years old, so certainly won't rule it out. But if he is having adrenal symptoms they are very slight. Nor does he have the adrenal "smell" to her. He does, however, have all the symptoms of IBD(he left a couple of not so great deposits for her). She agrees a biopsy isn't his best option, and wants to avoid pred if at all possible. What she has found calms down flare ups is metro. So, if I can manage to get it into him, he's on twice a day for 10 days. Should be interesting  . From what I understand, never having given it before, you can't disguise it with soupies or anything else. I'm going to try sandwiching it between 'tone layers, unless someone has some better ideas? If he does freak out too much over it(a distinct possibility), then it's to be discontinued, and we'll look at the pred instead  In the interim, in addition to metro, she'd like us to continue with probiotics, as well as whichever diet rotation works best for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 0:25:38 GMT -5
I really hope Boris responds well to the metro. I'll keep him in my prayers.  Does he do better on any sort of diet? Have to tried reshi and probiotics, that Katt uses for Kodas IBD? |
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Post by Sherry on Mar 14, 2011 0:30:20 GMT -5
He's still on the probiotics. I have to get some reishi from the health food store this week for him. As for his diet- it also depends a lot on what kind of mood he's in If he's in a snit, he won't eat at all, the little sod! Which doesn't help either |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 0:32:43 GMT -5
Hmm, what a little fuzzy brat!! I also remember reading something about pancreatic enzymes, but I can't remember what I read exactly. They're supposed to predigest the food, so it's easily to absorb nutrients, or something like that  I hope Jennifer can pop in and provide some more info about it |
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Post by Sherry on Mar 14, 2011 0:57:23 GMT -5
I've got to go back over that thread again, in more detail! Just not tonight  Too darned tired. |
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Post by acodlin on Mar 14, 2011 1:10:55 GMT -5
Not to derail the thread but how do they do the biopsy? my vet mentioned doing one before and he made it sound like he'd have to open her up to do that.
I'm sorry about Boris though =/ my vet gave me pred when he suspected it before and I hid that in ferretone.. maybe it would work? your talking about metronidazole right? I've taken that before myself and the taste is quite terrible, I'd pop it to the back of my throat and swallow fast so I didnt have to taste it. Nothing covered the taste for me.. poor little boris =/ yukky meds and a upset belly.
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Post by Heather on Mar 14, 2011 1:29:54 GMT -5
Metro is really stressful, not only for Boris, but for you (tastes ghastly). I've had to use it a couple of times  Might I suggest when you administer it that you do so over the toilet (saves the after mess  ) Poor Boris. The pred is easier to give. I wish I could offer you a better way to give it Biopsy can be done a number of ways. Surgery and actually removing a sample from the affected site or it can be a cell biopsy where they use a large guage needle to aspirate some cells which are then examined for malignant cells. Here's an overview site ibdcrohns.about.com/od/diagnostictesting/p/dtbiopsies.htmciao |
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Post by Sherry on Mar 14, 2011 2:06:26 GMT -5
I can well imagine how it's going to go, poor bud. I'm going to try the tone "sandwich" first, see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 7:32:35 GMT -5
Your vet can't make a skin based solution of it? That mine did for Paulie's IBD saved my life (because I remember having to give that nasty stuff post surgery). Much easier to swirl a bit in his ear than to give it by mouth--though he was always determined to try and smell the stuff on the syringe. It sounds like Metro through a transdermal "lotion" is relatively new though . |
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Post by Sherry on Mar 14, 2011 10:43:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 10:47:37 GMT -5
Glad it went well! Hopefully it helps his little tummy  I'm familiar with that panic made Ferrets are heart attacks just WAITING to happen. |
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Post by Sherry on Mar 14, 2011 10:52:33 GMT -5
Stupid thing is- I've experienced DFS in so many of them, I'm used to it. But when his breathing was so shallow that I couldn't see his sides moving? Course- never thought to check his heart beat |
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Post by katt on Mar 14, 2011 12:05:35 GMT -5
I'll have to go back and double check but I THINK that was the one Koda absolutely Hated. No matter what. But what I did was for the pills I would mix it up in a little bottle cap with a LOT of FerretVite. Then I would suck it into the syringe, scruff him, and shoot it into the back of his mouth. I learned pretty quickly how much I could give him at a time without him spitting it all back out.  After he would get a Lot of loving and praise and a good sized dollop of more FerretVite to get the tase out of his mouth. If met was the liquid (Koda got a LOT of diff meds lol I can't remember which Met was) and it's the one I'm thinking of, nothing I did could cover it up. I found it was best to give it straight and get it over with But I would cover the end of the full stringe with a huge glob of FerretVite and smear it partly up the sides of the syringe too. I'd let him lick a little off, then stick itinto the back of his mouth. Because the Vite was smeared up the sides he had to keep licking/swallowing to get the Vite with the syringe IN his mouth. As he did that I'd squirt out the meds a bit at a time And his licking the Vite would mean he would swallow the meds in the process. Sometimes I'd have to recoat the syringe with more Vite. At first he would toss his head and spit it all out all over me, but using this method, a LOT of patience, and a TON of FerretVite I got the hang of it. And Koda learned that he might as well get it over with because he WAS getin the meds whether he liked it or not. Using the above method though the meda went right down asnhe swallowed the Vite and seemed to keep him from tasting it as much. |
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Post by katt on Mar 14, 2011 12:19:37 GMT -5
Your vet can't make a skin based solution of it? That mine did for Paulie's IBD saved my life (because I remember having to give that nasty stuff post surgery). Much easier to swirl a bit in his ear than to give it by mouth--though he was always determined to try and smell the stuff on the syringe. It sounds like Metro through a transdermal "lotion" is relatively new though . I would like to learn more about this if you have any info on it... Sherry the supplements I give Koda (save you time reading that huge thread lol) are below... Probiotics. Help to maintain proper levelsof gut flora/fauna with GOOD bacteria and by fiing the surface space with good bacteria reduces the amount of bad bacteria that can get into/onto the intestinal linings and the stomach. Reishi - has soothing properties and is also I believe an anti-inflammatory. Keeps guy irritation and inflammation down. Also helps prevent cancers as an added bonus.  This helps stabilize poopies and reduce stomach aches so he will keep eating food. Pancreatic Enzymes - put in food approximately one hour before feeding to give it time to start acting. The enzymes break down the proteins and make them easier to absorb/digest. This is especially helpful for foods that he is slightly sensitive to, or that are very rich. It can be given before one hour but it is less effective that way. Slippery Elm - Coats the gut and soothe it. Also reduces absorption so do not overuse it. Good for controlling flare ups. Can be given as a powder or a syrup. I forget how to make the syrup but it is a bit more effective thN the syrup if I remember correctly. Powder form has worked fine for me. Flax Seed and Pumpkin - Fiber. Helps cean gut (great in combo with probios) and slows passage of food through the GI tract allowing more time for full digestion/absorption. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 12:32:23 GMT -5
Thanks for that summary Katt. I think that would make a good post for the IBD medical summary.
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. From what I understand, never having given it before, you can't disguise it with soupies or anything else. I'm going to try sandwiching it between 'tone layers, unless someone has some better ideas?
Might I suggest when you administer it that you do so over the toilet (saves the after mess 
) Poor Boris. The pred is easier to give. I wish I could offer you a better way to give it 
