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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 23:48:37 GMT -5
Holtzchick, I can sympathize, as I' had a very similar incident occur between my hamster and my sisters when one of the cage doors wasn't closed properly....I am terribly sorry for your loss. Honestly, if you must rehome them, do it, and don't feel judged. I am happy to know you are rehoming your girls, because fuzzies know your emotions, and it would do neither them nor you good to be in an environment full or regret and anger. Sometimes, it can take an incredibly long time for those emotional wounds to heal.
Also, thank you for not being selfish. After my sister's hamster killed and ate my baby hamster, neither of us could look at her... We fed her and cleaned the cage, but we couldn't bring ourselves to touch her, let her out... Nothing. And we were scared to rehome her, because we didn't want her to go to a bad home (she was a nipper and got worse after the accident), and because we were selfish and wanted to stick to always caring for pets.... Well, she got minimal care because of our emotions and well, fear of her. (Seeing those sorts of sights are scary as h*ll when you know they both were loved pets.) . I regret keeping her, because I know she would have had a much better life if I had rehomed.....
Whatever you decide is best, do it. I'm sure you will find a loving home for them, or perhaps even make yours a loving home. Best of luck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 23:50:47 GMT -5
Regardless of what Polecatty and Sushi's intentions were, there is a time and a place for a lecture and this is NOT it. Holzchick, I do think you should give it a few days but if you feel like you will just continue to resent your girls you should stand by your decision. There was no lecture from me. Thankyou, Darlene. I wasn't being mean- I am just very to the point and as such my short post covered the two points I thought were important; condolences for the loss of the bunny and sincere hope that the ferrets wouldn't pay the price for what was, ultimately, accidental human error.
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Post by darlene on Aug 11, 2012 23:52:39 GMT -5
@alliekatt I don't feel anyone here is judging her at all.
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Post by darlene on Aug 11, 2012 23:58:48 GMT -5
Regardless of what Polecatty and Sushi's intentions were, there is a time and a place for a lecture and this is NOT it. Holzchick, I do think you should give it a few days but if you feel like you will just continue to resent your girls you should stand by your decision. There was no lecture from me. Thankyou, Darlene. I wasn't being mean- I am just very to the point and as such my short post covered the two points I thought were important; condolences for the loss of the bunny and sincere hope that the ferrets wouldn't pay the price for what was, ultimately, accidental human error. You're welcome,I didn't feel you were giving a lecture or being mean.
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Post by allie516 on Aug 12, 2012 0:27:52 GMT -5
Sorry I did read it differently. But maybe thats just me. I am overly sensitive lately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 0:33:35 GMT -5
I honestly think that this thread has sort of been a he said she said type of deal in the last few posts that I have read. I would like to stick to this topic since it has affected me dearly. Frankly, I knew that the possibility was always there I am simply upset that raw feeding was advocated to me many times inspite of the question of "will this cause them to be more aggressive?" which was answered many times as no this does not have any effect. As soon as this accident took place it seems that people left and right are blaming raw feeding my girls. I don't think this is an issue that should be avoided and yet again, it just happened. I had a ferret nation too, it didn't stop it from human error. I don't care what anyone posted including the post from polecatty, because all I want is for others to learn from this and to find my girls a home because I surely can not and will not be taking care of them. I simply can not.
Thank you all again for understanding. I once again have been crying since I have come home, I just cannot believe this to be reality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 1:07:15 GMT -5
I am so sorry that you had to go through this. No matter your decision, I would try to wait and see if your feelings change. Maybe someone could foster them for a while, so you can grieve and get your feelings together.
I don't think raw feeding had anything to do with this accident. Kibble fed cats kill birds and rodents every day. You're going through a lot of pain right now, but know that it was simply instinct, and I don't think kibble feeding would have changed the course of events.
Again, I know how much your bun meant to you, and I'm so sorry you had to go through this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 2:27:37 GMT -5
My 1 year old gib, at 9 months of age (having never been fed raw a day in his life, nor had he ever seen a prey animal before) cleanly and quickly dispatched a mouse. Instinct is instinct, whether they eat meat or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 2:27:40 GMT -5
I honestly think that this thread has sort of been a he said she said type of deal in the last few posts that I have read. I would like to stick to this topic since it has affected me dearly. Frankly, I knew that the possibility was always there I am simply upset that raw feeding was advocated to me many times inspite of the question of "will this cause them to be more aggressive?" which was answered many times as no this does not have any effect. As soon as this accident took place it seems that people left and right are blaming raw feeding my girls. I don't think this is an issue that should be avoided and yet again, it just happened. I had a ferret nation too, it didn't stop it from human error. I don't care what anyone posted including the post from polecatty, because all I want is for others to learn from this and to find my girls a home because I surely can not and will not be taking care of them. I simply can not. Thank you all again for understanding. I once again have been crying since I have come home, I just cannot believe this to be reality. I wouldn't say that raw feeding caused this incident- it is more down to the thousands of years of genetic hardwiring. They still would have killed your poor bun even if they had been fed nothing but kibble- the only difference is that they may not have eaten him...which would not have been much comfort, I think. Kibble fed ferrets hunt as keenly as raw fed ferrets do, and if the hunting instinct is there then there is little that can be done to blunt it...it is just a part of what a ferret is. I do understand how upset you are. Hopefully you find them a good home and care for them until then. Have you given any more thought to surrendering them to a rescue? That may assure them a better chance of going to a knowledgeable home.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 8:09:55 GMT -5
I honestly think that this thread has sort of been a he said she said type of deal in the last few posts that I have read. I would like to stick to this topic since it has affected me dearly. Frankly, I knew that the possibility was always there I am simply upset that raw feeding was advocated to me many times inspite of the question of "will this cause them to be more aggressive?" which was answered many times as no this does not have any effect. As soon as this accident took place it seems that people left and right are blaming raw feeding my girls. I don't think this is an issue that should be avoided and yet again, it just happened. I had a ferret nation too, it didn't stop it from human error. I don't care what anyone posted including the post from polecatty, because all I want is for others to learn from this and to find my girls a home because I surely can not and will not be taking care of them. I simply can not. Thank you all again for understanding. I once again have been crying since I have come home, I just cannot believe this to be reality. I wouldn't say that raw feeding caused this incident- it is more down to the thousands of years of genetic hardwiring. They still would have killed your poor bun even if they had been fed nothing but kibble- the only difference is that they may not have eaten him...which would not have been much comfort, I think. Kibble fed ferrets hunt as keenly as raw fed ferrets do, and if the hunting instinct is there then there is little that can be done to blunt it...it is just a part of what a ferret is. I do understand how upset you are. Hopefully you find them a good home and care for them until then. Have you given any more thought to surrendering them to a rescue? That may assure them a better chance of going to a knowledgeable home. Actually, it would have given me a little more comfort knowing that they did not eat him up. When I saw all the fur tossed about the room and a friend saw only small remains in the closet it was like they just tore him apart like a piece of garbage. He meant so much more to me than that. I also had him pick up the remains so that we can have a burial for him today. I love my girls, I really do. It is so conflicting at this moment in time to feel what I'm feeling towards them, even though I will probably regret finding them a home eventually, it still does not feel right to me to keep them after that. I do have one more bun in my home that I was looking to introduce to Peter so I had her in quarantine downstairs. She was a stray that I found out side that someone had dumped and she is just the biggest and sweetest bunny I have ever met. Thank god that she had been downstairs because that could very well have also been her. I would like to think that maybe I found her for a reason, it's odd but the events leading up to this accident were sort of coincidental. As far as giving them to a rescue, I am in no way looking to give the girls to a rescue especially when they are up to their eyeballs in ferrets eating kibble and have a harder time keeping up with them, let alone two raw fed girls. I am very good at gauging a person's intentions and personalities and I am very firm so I will make sure with all I have that they will go to a knowledgeable home. It's also difficult to pretend to know how to feed raw, only someone who's been feeding raw would know the exact requirements. Thanks all again, Peter Cartier Rabbit's burial is today, may his timid spirit rest in peace and let go of all the stress and hardship that he endured during his last moments.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 8:47:08 GMT -5
May Peter Cartier Rabbit RIP <3
(and may you find peace in whatever decision you make)
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Post by Sherry on Aug 12, 2012 9:47:14 GMT -5
I'm glad you understand the WHY of it holtzchick. And polecatty is right. They would still have killed him, but would not have recognized him as their natural food. Many kibble fed ferrets have killed their natural prey animals in a home. I hope you are able to do what is right for them as well as for you.
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Post by Jeremy's Boggle on Aug 12, 2012 10:16:26 GMT -5
I understand where you are coming from. Having had one pet kill another before. In fact my kibble feed dogs ate one of our rabbits who had gotten out of its cage. We've had to rehome a dog because she has attacking our livestock. It is heartbreaking all around. Sorry you are in this difficult position. Hopefully you will be able to find your girls a good home.
Even if your ferrets where kibble feed them may have eaten him anyway as I've had kibble feed dogs eat other animals. The raw feeding had nothing really to do with this situation. It is just easy for people to blame it when something like this happens.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:19:10 GMT -5
Can you maybe see if someone can temporarily foster your girls? It would give you time to grieve and adjust without permanently getting rid of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 21:02:28 GMT -5
Fostering them would be a good idea. See what your life is like without them in it. My ferrets provide an immense amount of emotional support for me. So do my rabbits but with my ferrets it's different. They give you a type of happiness that you might miss when they are gone.
I used to work in a petstore and let me tell you.. hamsters are bloodthirsty creatures. I can't count the number of half eaten hamsters I found. I even saw a mother hamster eat one of her babies alive. Syrian Hamsters don't live in groups but of course the petstore insisted on keeping 8 to a 10 gallon tank. I tried to do what I could for all the animals there.
Every time I have come across something like that it made me sick, but it was natural, and I don't blame the creature for it. Animals just don't understand what it is to take the life of something else.
Also I noticed that the door on my mom's FN sometimes sticks and doesn't latch. You may have closed the door only to have it malfunction. RIP Peter Cartier
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