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Post by mjbez on May 21, 2012 16:23:43 GMT -5
Other good bone in meats are game hen, duck, turkey necks (esp smashed up), whole prey (not sure how you feel about that). Also, check the ingredients of the commercial raw as many of those contain bone. Hmm... I don't plan on ever feeding whole prey.... Seeing the little creature I am feeding isn't for me. (I guess the exception would be the quails at the grocery store.. lol... they are whole little birds) Also, I think that whole is fairly pricey... but costs aside its not something I plan on doing.
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Post by katt on May 24, 2012 2:35:08 GMT -5
That's fine. It's not for everyone. How are they doing this week?
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Post by mjbez on May 25, 2012 20:06:05 GMT -5
They have been doing really well! They seem to be eating more per meal. I have been feeding them the same amount and usually there is waste. However, for the last 4 days or so they have it all eaten in a couple of hours usually! So then I feed them more. They have been doing really well with bones. I think bones are Kyra's favorite (she has been a pig in general lately lol). Mika and Bear are doing well with the bones, but they don't eat every little scrap like Kyra! There are a few bone shards left behind after a feeding of chicken wings, but not too much. They are both eating the bone but I don't think they are getting as much as Kyra. They really like their organ and heart meals, which I am feeding now a couple times a week. I am feeding chunks (beef and pork) without soup now and they are doing really well. The chunks have increased in size which they seem to be doing fine with. The chunks are at least thumb nail size. Bear has accepting this change now One thing I found really exciting: I have been checking their teeth to see if there is any improvement with the plaque since they have been eating bones. The other day I checked Bear's teeth (his are really the worst) and a bunch of plaque has broken off of his one molar! I was so thrilled! A dental cleaning costs a little more than 800 bucks here so if the bones can clean up his teeth I will be very happy! The girls' teeth only had minimal plaque but I noticed Kyra's teeth are nice and white now! Also even the front teeth on them are whiter and cleaner looking! How exciting! It makes me happy to see the many benefits of the switch! I planned to go get the commercial lamb and more hearts today but ended up being sick so I hope to go tomorrow! I will let you know how they react to the commercial lamb! I can't wait to try it! Then they will be eating 6 different protein sources!
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Post by mjbez on May 27, 2012 21:00:04 GMT -5
A couple more things to add: I went shopping yesterday.. I got the commercial lamb, some chicken necks (a pack for only $1.99!), and some pork riblets! I will be able to feed pork as a bone in meat (I will smash the crap out of them first) and I was excited to find a pack of necks too (got them from the petstore that sells the NV commercial)! I fed the lamb this morning. Bear would have nothing to do with it. Mika tried it and ate a little. Kyra went about being the little drama queen she is and gagged and threw a fit! ;D I waited and let them have time with the food. Kyra went and ate on her own when she calmed down. Bear was not eating so after a few hours I wet it a bit more with hot water (to warm it) and drizzled a little bit of ferret tone on top. I took Bear back to the lamb and low and behold.. He ate! Mika ate some more at this point as well. I can definitely tell it isn't something they are too impressed with yet, but I will give them time. A few questions: How was my menu? If I wanted to feed commercial raw 3 times a week some weeks (because I have the duck and lamb to use in a week.. I was thinking some weeks feeding lamb or duck twice) what would you swap out? I was thinking perhaps the boneless beef... only because I don't think I am on the high side of bone yet... and beef isn't their favorite so I don't think they would miss it (although, I should note that they are liking it a lot more than they used to!) How big of chunks should I be shooting for as a goal? Right now, They have to chew all the pieces because they are about thumb nail size, some slightly larger some smaller. I just chopped up a bunch of meat for them. As I was chopping their beef (getting it ready to freeze) I was thinking "I hope I am not chopping this too small..." I made them about 3/4" cubes. I hope that is OK because I just prepared enough to last them about 3 weeks! Those are all the questions I can think of right now. I am starting the ferrets on my "menu" starting tomorrow. I would like to sub in lamb for an extra meal or two this week though, to get them used to it... which meals would you suggest? I will feed it on Tuesday Am as that is the meal then... but I was thinking maybe to feed it on Wed Pm, instead of the turkey wings as well (remember, the lamb has bone too). I will let them have their duck of the Friday commercial meal. Oh, also... I find that when I feed chicken feet they do not eat much. They seem to like to chew them but they seem so hard to eat! I chop them (cut off toes and cut pad of foot up) and I score the skin in multiple places... but it just seems like not a very good meal for my guys... they don't eat much because it takes forever to chew it up... is that normal? They don't have this problem with wings or anything else I have come across yet. Can I just use feet as a "treat"? Sorry for all the questions today! lol. I just came across all of these thoughts recently!
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Post by katt on May 29, 2012 2:20:07 GMT -5
I went shopping yesterday.. I got the commercial lamb, some chicken necks (a pack for only $1.99!), and some pork riblets! I will be able to feed pork as a bone in meat (I will smash the crap out of them first) and I was excited to find a pack of necks too (got them from the petstore that sells the NV commercial)! Awesome! I fed the lamb this morning. Bear would have nothing to do with it. Mika tried it and ate a little. Kyra went about being the little drama queen she is and gagged and threw a fit! ;D I waited and let them have time with the food. Kyra went and ate on her own when she calmed down. Bear was not eating so after a few hours I wet it a bit more with hot water (to warm it) and drizzled a little bit of ferret tone on top. I took Bear back to the lamb and low and behold.. He ate! Mika ate some more at this point as well. I can definitely tell it isn't something they are too impressed with yet, but I will give them time. Hahaha Lamb is pretty hit and miss. Some ferrets just won't touch it period. Koda was on almost entirely lamb when his IBD was really bad, and ate it just fine. Then one day he decided that was that and he refused to touch it anymore. A few questions: How was my menu?I'll get to this in my next post. If I wanted to feed commercial raw 3 times a week some weeks (because I have the duck and lamb to use in a week.. I was thinking some weeks feeding lamb or duck twice) what would you swap out? I was thinking perhaps the boneless beef... only because I don't think I am on the high side of bone yet... and beef isn't their favorite so I don't think they would miss it (although, I should note that they are liking it a lot more than they used to!)Probably the beef. These are both the NV raw? I'll have to check the bone and organ content. Definitely don't switch it out with a heart or organ meal, and if you swap it with a boned meal be sure to supplement with a little extra calcium that week or a heavier bone meal elsewhere. How big of chunks should I be shooting for as a goal? Right now, They have to chew all the pieces because they are about thumb nail size, some slightly larger some smaller. I just chopped up a bunch of meat for them. As I was chopping their beef (getting it ready to freeze) I was thinking "I hope I am not chopping this too small..." I made them about 3/4" cubes. I hope that is OK because I just prepared enough to last them about 3 weeks! As big as you want to have to prepare. Most people wean their fuzzers up to whole wings. I'll be honest, I still cut my meats up for my boys. But they do get some hefty chunks. They can eat a whole wing, but they prefer it chopped and Koda's IBD does a little better if the meat is cut up a bit. Increase the size as quickly as they'll let you, and go as big as you want to feed withing reason. Keep in mind the smaller the chunks, the more prep time for you, but the larger the chunks the more likely they are to be lazy and not finish their food as much (not that you have to LET them be lazy). Those are all the questions I can think of right now. I am starting the ferrets on my "menu" starting tomorrow. I would like to sub in lamb for an extra meal or two this week though, to get them used to it... which meals would you suggest? I will feed it on Tuesday Am as that is the meal then... but I was thinking maybe to feed it on Wed Pm, instead of the turkey wings as well (remember, the lamb has bone too). I will let them have their duck of the Friday commercial meal.That should be fine - to sub it for the turkey. Keep in mind too that it has bone (and commercial raw is great - easy to digest) but it doesn't have bones to chew. So nutritionally it's great, dental-health wise not so much. But being ground, it's more digestible. It's a give and take. Oh, also... I find that when I feed chicken feet they do not eat much. They seem to like to chew them but they seem so hard to eat! I chop them (cut off toes and cut pad of foot up) and I score the skin in multiple places... but it just seems like not a very good meal for my guys... they don't eat much because it takes forever to chew it up... is that normal? They don't have this problem with wings or anything else I have come across yet. Can I just use feet as a "treat"?Absolutely. They are a great chew toy, and a great bone source. My boys don't like them so I don't feed them. Even when you do though it's essentially a meal of entirely bone...not so great. So there should be something else along with it. So say you might substitute a meal of turkey wings for a meal of NV duck and a chicken foot or two to munch on. This ties into the give and take of dental cleaning I just mentioned. Sorry for all the questions today! lol. I just came across all of these thoughts recently!Don't be sorry! I'm sorry I havn't been on top of things as usual. Things have been busy and I've been house sitting for people who had no internet so I've been on a tiny bit at work and on my phone which is a PITA. :/ I'm done house sitting now though yaay. So my internet is back in action!
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Post by katt on May 29, 2012 2:31:11 GMT -5
They are liking the duck. Yes, that commercial raw has organs and bone in it. They are eating chicken, turkey (not their favorite) pork and beef as well. I will get the same commercial raw brand of lamb soon (freezer should be able to hold it.) I cannot find duck that is reasonably priced in stores... Same with game hen. I am using about all of the proteins that I plan on using. (with the exception of quails as a once in a while protein (fairly price... 9 bucks for 6little birds, and any other meats I may find as a treat.. like frog legs... also pricey) I will look for turkey necks, but I have not come across them yet. Turkey seems to be limited to what I can get (whole.. which is out of the question, wings, legs, and ground) I will keep my eyes peeled (may check back at the butcher). I plan on stocking up some more meats this week. (looking for chicken necks/ turkey necks too) I fed them chicken back (and a foot) yesterday. I smashed both and split the foot there was quite a bit of waste (mainly the foot) but I did watch them eat (Bear more hesitantly. The girls really seem to like bones) I fed them beef today with no soup and the girls ate.. but I'm still waiting on Bear.... I think I will add a touch of soup to it for him soon... He just doesn't wanna touch it!) here is my "final menu" ( I realize its not final yet...) *Monday Am- soupie with turkey chunks (and bone supplement or eggshell added) *Monday Pm- chicken wing *Tuesday Am- commercial raw (duck or lamb) Tuesday Pm- heart *Wednesday Am- pork rib ends (if i can find) if not... turkey necks *Wednesday Pm- turkey wing Thursday Am- beef Thursday Pm- organ (50% liver/50%other) *Friday Am- commercial raw Friday Pm- pork *Saturday Am- chicken necks or backs Saturday Pm-beef Sunday Am- 50% heart 25% liver 25% other organ *Sunday Pm- chicken wings + one foot * = bone in meal Eventually, when I get a treat like quail or frog legs, I will sub it in for a chicken wing day or even a beef day. Ingredients for Nature's Variety Commercial Raw Duck (95% meat) Duck (including Raw Ground Duck Bone), Turkey Liver, Turkey Heart, Raw Ground Lamb Bone, Saccharomyces Cerevisiae (a natural source of B vitamins), Pumpkinseeds, Montmorillonite Clay, Apples, Broccoli, Butternut Squash, Sea Salt, Cod Liver Oil, Dried Kelp, Dried Apples, Fruit Pectin, Carrots, Spinach, Natural Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols, Natural Vitamin E, Inulin, Blueberries, Parsley, Rosemary, Sage, Clove, Rosemary Extract. Ingredients for Nature's Variety Commercial Raw Lamb (95% meat) Lamb, Lamb Liver, Raw Ground Lamb Bone, Lamb Heart, Lamb Kidney, Apples, Carrots, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseeds, Montmorillonite Clay, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Dried Kelp, Dried Apples, Fruit Pectin, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Salmon Oil, Olive Oil, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Persimmons, Inulin, Rosemary, Sage, Clove. I know that this food has some fruit and veggies... however, I feel it is low enough and I am only going to feed it 2x a week. It allows me a protein source that I don't really have access to in a grocery store. Also! I did get the FN 182 this weekend! I love the cage, the large door access if great! Bear is very awkward with the ramps... falls off fairly often but he is a special little guy that needs time to learn (I am sure he is a WB ferret) ;D Such a special boy. I think I somehow missed this post entirely... It sounds like they are getting a good variety. You might also consider subbing some commercial raw for the ONE meal of heat+organ as long as they are getting a few other meals of commercial raw in the week. Just different ways to mix and match. So say one week they could get one meal of organs, one of hearts, and 2-4 meals of commercial raw. Since the commercial has organ and heart, it would fill in the gap of the other heart+organ meal to keep the balance at about 10%. Same for bones. I mentioned above a bony meal can be substituted for a bone-in commercial grind, and if you really want to keep the bone up and keep their little jaw working (and teeth clean) you can always toss in a chicken foot as a treat on commercial days. Commercial raw really gives you a lot of options as to how to mix and match while maintaining the basic balance. I'd like to say that the NV meals are fully balanced, but it's always tough to know exactly what the ratios are (it has ground bone, but does the bone make up 10% of the food? probably not...). So it's best to play it on the safe side and assume that most commercial grinds are on the low side for organ, heart, and bone content, but you don't have to disregard them as bone/organ sources entirely. I hope I;m making sense here and not rambling. :/ Congrats on the FN btw. BEST cages ever! Aaaand for your menu... it looks great! I've submitted it to Heather for final approval. Keep adding in whatever variety you can, but you're already reasoning out where to substitute certain foods and doing very well at it. I feel pretty confident that you have a good grasp of the balance they need. The more variety the better, but you have a GREAT variety as it is (though that's no reason to not add more if you can, even as an occasional treat). You've done a really good job.
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Post by katt on May 29, 2012 2:36:15 GMT -5
Just have to add in that I don't even bother with the ramps other than the one that connects the top and bottom level. Unless you have older ferrets or physically challenged ferrets I find that they are a waste of shelf space and another spot to get a toe stuck. My boys jump up and down with little problem. Kenai's a little special and uses the feeding den to get on the bottom shelf, but he does okay in the top level where there is no box too. The middle ramp I keep so I can separate the levels still when I'm cleaning. (They like to help of course... )
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Post by mjbez on May 30, 2012 20:12:01 GMT -5
I'm so glad that you think that we are doing well (I have to give the fuzzies credit too!) The only issue that I am having is that Kyra is still having some prolapsing. I have just started giving her pumpkin 2 times a day (1/2 tsp each time) and she is enjoying the pumpkin so she just eats it out of the measuring spoon. I am not sure why she is having issues because her poops seem OK. There is no diarrhea in the litter box. Yesterday, after she pooped I put some anusol (like prep h) on her bottom and it sucked right back in. However, after about 20 mins she curled up and licked and I grabbed her right away.... but there was a little bit of prolapse again. I tried using sugar but it didn't go well.. lol she doesn't like sugar on the bum I guess! She acted fine with the anusol but I just can't figure out why its happening.... I just hope its not a food allergy or something. She is active and seems happy. She doesn't run in and out of the litter box anymore.... (not that I notice)... All of the ferrets are eating the lamb just fine now (they took to it right after Kyra threw her fit lol) They also had pork riblets today and seemed to do well with pork bones. I didn't get to see Mika eat but I did witness Kyra eat and Bear too. He was crunching away... it seems to take a lot of work to crush up those pork bones. Good for teeth yay! Bear's teeth have improved vastly! I am sooo impressed! Soon both sides will be pretty white! I will be going away this weekend. I have a trusted friend coming to feed the fuzzies their 2 meals Saturday and one meal on Sunday. I will be back Sunday evening. I feel confident that they will eat fine with me away, since I no longer baby them as they eat. lol. I just watch from afar now. I find it fascinating to watch them eat their raw diet! I'm strange, I know
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Post by katt on May 31, 2012 2:33:43 GMT -5
Good fuzz! It is really interesting watching them eat! I think you'll find you aren't as strange as you may think...most of us here love watching them eat. There's nothing quite as satisfying as the sound of fuzzy jaws crunching on bones! Let's get a run down on how each of them are doing. It sounds like Bear is doing well with bones, but he is still hesitant on the beef and duck? What about Kyra and the duck, it seems she's gotten better about eating it? Can you give me a list of everything that each of them will willingly eat, and what they are having trouble with still? Something like this: Bear: eats crushed chicken, pork, and turkey bones, fingernail sized chunks of pork, chicken, turkey, eats chicken heart, liver, and pork kidney having trouble with duck (will eat only when hand fed and mixed with warm water), beef (won't eat beef soup), refuses goat spleen in all forms For each of them. That will help us target in on remaining problem areas. On a side note, Heather pointed something out that I didn't even think about. The NV duck has pumpkin seed in it! :S That can be a huge blockage hazard. It is ground up really fine, so in theory it shouldn't be a problem but then if they get too much of it (i.e. through an extra large meal of duck perhaps, or maybe many small meals over time) and it collects in the intestines, it could cause a problem. I don't know if that's even entirely possible or not, but it's something worth considering. Pumpkin seeds aren't really digestible for them. At all to my understanding. I would think as finely ground as it is it should be okay, but then what if there is a chunk in there? I know I find bone chunks in my commercial raw.... So maybe up the other commercial foods and keep the duck to a minimum? I'm not sure on that one, it will have to be up to you. Duck is a fantastic meat to feed them, high in fat and very nutritious. Also great for variety. Maybe if you still feed it, but keep it to once a week or less, and mix a little olive or fish oil into those meals? Just some things to consider. I'll ask Heather and Sherry to read this post and post their thoughts here. Oils BTW are a GREAT supplement. They might even help little Kyra with her bum! They help lubricate the intestines (helpful for passing blockages and preventing hairballs), and help make their fur nice and sleek! Fish oil or salmon oil are best, but olive oil is very good too. As for Kyra's prolapse, I don't know what could be causing it. Esp if her poops look fine and she is normal otherwise. You had said she was doing it before on kibble as well. If it was a food allergy she would probably be showing signs of stomach upset, bad poops, and/or even excessive itching. Is it possible that she has a problem with muscle tone? That would be my first guess. Heather's Minion had a super bad prolapse that had to be surgically corrected. Even still he doesn't have a lot of control down there and can't always get to the litter box in time. If her problem continues, she may require surgery. I'd make a post on the main boards and ask if anyone else has had this problem, maybe someone else can give you better input...
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Post by katt on May 31, 2012 2:42:51 GMT -5
Another tidbit from Heather:
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Post by Sherry on May 31, 2012 8:24:23 GMT -5
Hi! Just took a look over your thread, and I don't see anything that may be causing a prolapse for her. If her stools aren't on the dry side, it shouldn't be constipation. If they aren't loose it's not from diarrhea. How soon after you got her did you notice her prolapsing? I gather it comes out when she has a bowel movement. Does it go back in on it's own within a couple minutes? If not, how long does the prolapse protrude? Do you find she's constantly scooting her bottom on the floor?
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Post by Heather on May 31, 2012 13:35:23 GMT -5
Truthfully, I can't see a reason either but I'm going to throw one out there.....maybe, maybe not The other day I came home and found Boris scooting around. Picked him up and ....there it was a big ugly prolapse. I've no idea how it happened or why. Used prep h on him, held him for 10 min, gave him some RR. Checked him a couple of hours later (he's much more relaxed at this point) there's still a minor prolapse so I used the sugar and held him another 10 min. It still wasn't totally down but he was relaxed, applied RR one more time and put him to bed. Next morning it's gone. No further issue. I'm thinking he strained and passed a hairball. With the weird sheds we've been getting this year there seems to be a lot more hair around. It's just a thought, not really an answer because I don't know for sure either. I checked through your diet, it looks not bad. I'm not fond of your commercial grind (I know there organic matter is within acceptable norms) it's what's in it that bothers me. Now, it's not a large portion of your guys diet so ok, but I would be seeing if you could find something with less types of vegetable matter and without ground seeds and extracts. If that's all you've got then fine but just be aware of these factors. I hope your little one's prolapse fixes itself very quickly. It is troubling I know ciao
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Post by mjbez on May 31, 2012 23:21:58 GMT -5
Thank you for all the input everyone. Kyra's bum will look pretty good and then for reasons I can't quite figure out look angry all of a sudden. Today it looked pretty sore, I put some anusol on it. Then when I put them to bed I noticed a poop in the litter box... it was green and foamy looking. They had pork liver and pork kidney this morning. I add 1 1/2 tsp of pumpkin to this meal for all three of them (in 4oz of organs). This was the first green poop I noticed... it has me concerned. She still seems pretty happy, and she is playing her normal amount.. which is never much because she is a little shadow ferret (likes to follow me around). And yes, Kyra had her first prolapse when I switched her off of 8 in 1 ultimate to evo cat and kitten. The only meat difference between the two is the evo has turkey... But I am only feeding turkey 1-2 times a week (and they haven't had it since Monday now) I don't think that is it. Her muscle tone... well she is so slim but always has been. I would say she maybe looks a little more slim this year now that she has had her shed... it is hard to say because she is so petite. She is definitely a strong little girl though. She does a chin up like a pro! Is it possible that when she doesn't have a bone in meal that her poops are too soft, causing her prolapse? All of their poops are pretty soft after an organ meal. Not diarrhea, but very soft and wet. There has been some grainy poops (slightly grainy) in the litter boxes. I don't know who is pooing them though. Mika used to have this problem when I switched them to evo. Overall, their poops have greatly improved. But once in a while a poop will look a bit... grainy or seedy. Its not as drastic as the pics on the poop chart but just like it has little balls of fat or meat. Its kinda hard to explain but that is how their poops looked on evo.. hence my switch to raw. The time length for it to go away varies. Yesterday it popped out and I applied anusol and it popped right back in. Shortly later I noticed it was out a little again. She never had prolapsing when I first had her. (this was when she was on 8 in 1) I started to switch them to evo about 3 months ago. Now she hasn't prolapsed everyday since obviously. It kinda started to calm down now with the switch to raw it flared up. It is stressful because I feel so sorry for my little girl... I am going away (2 days) this weekend. I have a friend coming to watch them. She is aware of Kyra's bum issues so she will hopefully keep an eye on it for me. What the ferrets like Bear: Bear loves organs, lamb, duck, soups, he also seems to like the pork with bones. He is doing pretty well with beef now, I wouldn't peg it as a favorite but he eats it fine. He also seems to like chicken. He is a good eater, I can't say there is anything he refuses to eat! Mika: Mika likes to eat! She eats everything.. except I think it is her who spits out the turkey chunks in the chicken soup! Kyra: Kyra really likes bones. Chicken seems to be her favorite. She is eating all the meat varieties really well. She puts up a fight with everything new for like a day but then once the drama stops she realizes its not so bad! ;D I will try turkey wing again next week. It doesn't seem to be a favorite with anyone but they eat it, just not as excitedly as chicken! Turkey hasn't been fed as often either. I don't hand feed anything anymore. Everything is fed in chunks (good size now) and I don't need to soupie coat anything anymore. I cut wings into 4 pieces (down the middle then in half) and I still crush them a bit. I don't really know what there is to work on when it comes to food. I will be trying chicken necks soon as well. I think they will be a hit. (fingers crossed) I'm mad at myself that I didn't notice that the duck had pumpkin seeds.... The lamb doesn't. I may look into another commercial raw option for the duck perhaps, one that has nothing but meat and bones. I may see if Carnivora here has the duck (Whole Animal Carcass Diets - Duck) Their website is :http://www.carnivora.ca/html/featured_products/fresh_frozen_products/duck_patties/index.cfm Their patties have nothing but the animal carcass. Not all of the meats are always available though. I know things like the rabbit and elk are rare to find here (and the rabbit is soooo expensive when you can find it) Carnivora may be a better option huh? Especially with the pumpkin seed... I will admit though its sad to give up the convenient medallions for 1/2 lb patties.. But I will live. It's just disappointing that they put that crap in there! Can I still feed the NV lamb? I know it has some "other" stuff but it is 95% meat. I will say with the NV duck the only chunks I have ever seen were little cartilage/ bone pieces. They were never very big but I will admit I didn't inspect it either. I don't have much nv duck left so I will feed it more sparingly and check into carnivora. Good grief, if only the switch only involved getting them to eat I would be set. My poor Kyra...
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Post by mjbez on May 31, 2012 23:30:41 GMT -5
Hi! Just took a look over your thread, and I don't see anything that may be causing a prolapse for her. If her stools aren't on the dry side, it shouldn't be constipation. If they aren't loose it's not from diarrhea. How soon after you got her did you notice her prolapsing? I gather it comes out when she has a bowel movement. Does it go back in on it's own within a couple minutes? If not, how long does the prolapse protrude? Do you find she's constantly scooting her bottom on the floor? A little more on this, so I know I answered everything. Her stools are not dry. It does come out with a bowel movement but it is sometimes out when I take her out of the cage for a cuddle. So I don't know in that case how long since a BM. It does not always go back in all the way.. Often you can see a little bit of pink (the darker pink) She doesn't scoot her bum on the ground unless she is wiping after a BM, but it doesn't last. Today when her bum looked red and sore and I went to put some anusol on it it almost looked worse as I touched it. I only touched long enough to get the cream on. I have tried to gently push it so that it will go back in but it doesn't help. I never have tried to push it right in (nothing enters her bum, I don't want to hurt her) It probably protrudes about 1/4 inch at MOST. Usually more like1/8 but its just sore looking. It is hard to explain but most times there isn't much sticking out but I can see dark pink that I never used to see. It is almost like the bottom of her anus (closer to her lady parts) is flipped out a little bit. I can take a pic if that would help.. if she will stay still.
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Post by mjbez on May 31, 2012 23:39:39 GMT -5
Wow sorry one more post... I just went to put some vaseline of kyra's bum for overnight (thought some moisture wouldn't hurt.) Her bum didn't look too bad, only a little dark pink piece visible. Then I put the vaseline and the touch made her pop out! It looked red and it looks like.. a round red anus... my poor thing! I thought i was gonna help and somehow made it worse. It was litterally the second I touched that it did that... why? its so baffling! Thanks for all the help and advice again everyone, I really appreciate it.
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