So I can get him to eat tiny chunks in his soups. He just doesn't like the big ones. He's fluffing out again which is good. He's lazy, he just wants to lap it up and be down with it. This whole exerting himself to tear apart chicken isn't something he foresees in his future.
Okay so now that he's doing a little better, let's push him a bit. Instead of increasing the chunk sizes, keep them small but increase the amount of chunks in the soup, so that it's more chunks less soup. Let me know how he does. You might have to do it gradually, like increase the chunks by just a few every 2-3 meals.
I've come to the conclusion that my ferrets are ridiculous. So I like to stalk them while they eat every once in a while... and well like you suggested I started gradually increasing the amount of chunks.
These two are a little smarter than I give them credit for sometimes. Huck ate around most of the chunks and Blake ate the rest >.<
Just thought I'd share that amusing little tidbit. I feed them completely separate every time now. He's still eating around the chunks but he consumes a little more each time.
;D Silly boys! The separate feedings is a good idea. Keep giving Blake chunks then and keep Huck's soup progressing, but do so slowly. If he starts to edge off on eating keep it the same for a few days until he eats normally again, and then start increasing the quantity of chunks again. Make sense? Keep up the good work!
Also, can you get your hands on some liver and heart? It's about time to start incorporating that. Let me know when you get it.
Okay. Let me know how he does. It might be worth a shot to mix a tiny bit into Huck's soup too (start very very small). Who knows. If he likes it, he'll start getting some liver goodness in his soup and it should be easier to get him to eat liver later. If he doesn't, maybe (rofl Mayyybee) it will help encourage him to puck the chunks out of the soup instead of the other way around! ;D Let me know what you try and how they react.
Alright... So I get like these weird feelings to try random stuff.
So.. I was in my freezer rearranging my meats (I haven't been able to get any pork but will soon) and well I picked up some turkey. I got a good feeling about it so I thawed it out, cut it up, and put it in a bowl for Huck.
He... LOVED IT! No poking, pleading, or pouting required. He devoured the entire bowl and the small amount of liver I added for him to sample. I'm just going to chalk it up to Huck not liking chicken. We'll cross this road again when we come to it.
Blake like a fatty ate the liver I gave him with no issues. I gave him a little bit of turkey also and he hasn't had any issues.
Haha Yaaay Huck! It is very possible he just doesn't like chicken. If he'll eat turkey, keep him going on that and we can add more meats from there. I'd keep trying on chicken but as long as you can get 3 other meats (i.e. pork, turkey, beef) then it should be okay, but the more protein variety the better. So they are both eating liver and meat. Next is heart - can you get your hands on some hearts? Also, since they both will eat turkey see if you can find some small turkey wings and a good hammer. How big are the chunks that they are each eating?
The pieces of turkey they are both eating are dime sized. Blake will eat larger ones. I'll continue offering pieces of chicken.
I've been trying to get my hands on some heart but I'm having a hard time finding people who sell it. None of the commercial grocery stores have it and I've called some of the local butchers and they don't have any either.
Now what exactly do you consider a small turkey wing? Because all the wings that I have seen have been huge. Do they come as small as chicken wings? I'll have to pay closer attention the next time I'm at the store.
If you can't find heart you'll have to supplement. What about brains? Those are high in taurine and other nutrients. As for the wings, they don't really come in "sizes" lol Just if you see a pack that looks like the wings are somewhat smaller than another pack. Sorry if that was poorly worded on my part. Can you get some Cornish game. Hens? They are usually sold whole (sometimes with heart/organs intact) and they have nice small starter bones.
[7:13:31 PM] Katt: okay so in response to your psot bc you are here now [7:13:32 PM] Katt: Yes that's plenty. I wouldn't give more than that, every 2-3 days is a good amount. [7:13:38 PM] Katt: plent of fish oil* [7:14:06 PM] Yossarian: Alright. [7:14:34 PM] Katt: for food, try some cornish game hen. You'll need a very strong knife and a hammer. Maybe start with a breast to see how they like the meat. If they will eat the meat okay we can move to bones. [7:14:46 PM] Katt: Whan you do is buy an ulu makes life SO much easier. [7:14:56 PM] Katt: anyways, use the hammer to pulverize the bones [7:15:10 PM] Yossarian: What's a ulu? [7:15:13 PM] Katt: I'm talking smithereens. The marros and bone bits should be well pulverized into the meat [7:15:26 PM] Katt: it's a type of knife, I'll send you the link if I can find it [7:15:45 PM] Yossarian: Alright. [7:15:48 PM] Katt: anyways, smash the bones into bits. Then use the knife and stong scissors or poultry shears to shop the meat. [7:15:58 PM] Katt: in the end it hsould be a meaty, bony pulp pretty much. [7:16:19 PM] Katt: cut the pulp into chunks the size of dimes (as that's the size of chunks you said they are eating now). [7:16:41 PM] Yossarian: Alright. [7:16:43 PM] Katt: you may need to hand feed a piece of marrow to each of them, but usually once they taste the marrow they wil go for it (sometimes it does take more convincing though lol) [7:16:54 PM] Katt: marrow is like uber nutritious candy to them [7:17:03 PM] Yossarian: I really hope it doesn't take any convincing. [7:17:44 PM] Katt: me too! [7:18:14 PM] Katt: If htey are usnsure about the meat, mix it in with a little turkey meat (like maybe 50:50) and perhaps some fish oil to entice them [7:18:19 PM] Katt: here's the link [7:18:20 PM] Katt: www.holisticferret60.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=store&action=display&thread=2691
Let me know how the wings go. I thought you said you had some game hens? Try those next. They are similar to chicken and turkey, and the bones are smaller and easier to manage - for you and them. Smashing up bigger bones is a bigger pain, and it will take them time and practice to both learn to eat bones and build up the jaw strength to do so. Beef is a good next meat too.
[8:40:03 PM] Katt: ah ok [8:46:14 PM] Katt: ready to talk taurine for a second? [8:46:26 PM] Yossarian: YES! [8:46:34 PM] Yossarian: Oh and I have good news too... [8:47:17 PM] Katt: Heather: I would be more comfortable using the supplement, it's really easy to get and you can't really overdose.
Sherry: For the interim, until Jennifer can look back through her files, we are going with 1/2 a 500 mg capsule a day per ferret. She uses a Thorne product, but again, not sure of the exact name.
Jackie: I've used the NOW brand powered taurine available on Amazon.com. I dosed about 1 g a day between my 3 (no real risk of overdose). My kids never noticed the last.
That bottle contains 227 g, so it lasts a LONG time. [8:49:14 PM] Yossarian: Alright. [8:49:19 PM] Yossarian: I know where to get a bottle. [8:49:26 PM] Katt: okay, perfect! [8:49:37 PM] Yossarian: ^_^ [8:49:52 PM] Katt: start supplementing with the 1/2 a 500 mg capsule a day per ferret guideline then [8:49:57 PM] Katt: so what's the good news? [8:50:50 PM] Yossarian: So... I gave Blake a fairly large piece of cornish hen... I'd say bigger than a 50 cent peice and he managed to do very well with it. [8:51:01 PM] Yossarian: A little bigger but not much. [8:51:52 PM] Katt: hey that's good! Progress is good [8:52:12 PM] Yossarian: Is it okay to give him the leg bones? [8:52:14 PM] Katt: you should try turkey bones next and see what he thinks [8:52:18 PM] Katt: of a gam hen? [8:52:19 PM] Katt: oh yes [8:52:23 PM] Katt: ALL bones of the game hen are okay [8:52:23 PM] Yossarian: Alright. [8:52:28 PM] Katt: even chicken leg bones are okay [8:52:38 PM] Yossarian: I haven't gotten rid of any bone. [8:52:41 PM] Katt: you jsut have to crack them to give them a starter [8:52:48 PM] Katt: um jsut don't dr bone out [8:52:58 PM] Katt: the rule is remove ANY uneaten bone ater 48 hours [8:52:59 PM | Edited 8:53:06 PM] Yossarian: The chicken bone that I was unsure of i just seperated from the meat and put it in the frezzer to make soup with. [8:53:03 PM] Katt: any dry bones at 24 hours [8:53:21 PM] Katt: you get to have a feel for it [8:53:36 PM] Katt: but basically when the bones dry out, they become brittle and splinter more easily making them dangerous [8:53:50 PM] Yossarian: Yeah. [8:53:50 PM] Katt: raw bones are soft, easily rounded by digestive juices, and htey break rather than splinter... [8:54:18 PM] Yossarian: Yeah cutting the hen apart was really easy. [8:54:58 PM] Katt: yup [8:55:02 PM] Katt: okay so for bones [8:55:21 PM] Katt: Blake is still buildng jaw strength, and wil get better at eating bigger bones [8:55:25 PM] Katt: each ferret is a little different [8:55:47 PM] Katt: mine have no real problem with chicken neck bones, but some need them crushed [8:55:53 PM] Katt: I have to break turkey neck bones [8:56:35 PM] Katt: larger bones like chicken legs, turkey bones, neck bones, prok ribs, etc are edible, but usually have to be broken, either one break to get the marrow exposed and give the ferret a starting point, or crushed into smaller more manageable pieces [8:57:09 PM] Katt: smaller bones like chicken wings, ch backs, ch legs, cornish game hen bones, etc can be eaten whole [8:57:30 PM] Katt: some bones are ferret-dependent. Like pork ribs. Some ferrets can handle them, some can't. [8:57:49 PM] Katt: definitely nothing like beef bones of course. I tried a small lamb bone once but it was too thick [8:58:15 PM] Katt: most rabbit bones are good sized for ferret jaws [8:59:49 PM] Yossarian: Alright. [9:00:21 PM] Yossarian: I really should write this stuff down in a note book lol [9:03:13 PM] Katt: [9:03:22 PM] Katt: I can past it in our thread [9:03:25 PM] Katt: paste*