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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 22:46:54 GMT -5
Post by littlewiseowl on Feb 24, 2011 22:46:54 GMT -5
Okay, I know raw eggs are generally safe for our ferrets, dogs, cats, etc to consume. Salmonella is not the issue I'm worried about. And actually, this isn't even really about ferrets either. lol
I have many anti-raw egg people on several reptile forums (this time, it's a tegu forum to be exact) and I don't know where else to find the information I'm looking for other than with google or RAW FEEDERS!
I need a credible source that states that feeding WHOLE raw eggs will not give you or your animals a biotin deficiency. It is my understanding that there is enough biotin in raw egg yolks (one of the richest sources) to cancel out the avidin in raw egg white and you'd have to feed exclusively egg whites or several raw eggs throughout the week (or even day) to develop a deficiency.
I can't imagine an animal that's fed a varied raw diet with liver, organs, varied meats, veggies/fruits, whole prey and insects would even be close to getting a biotin deficiency from occasional raw eggs...
It kind of bugs me that this huge breeder of argentine tegus who supplies the care information for them strictly says no eggs (because of salmonella and biotin deficiency) but doesn't really elaborate on it. AND EVERYONE FOLLOWS HIS ADVICE LIKE A SHEEP. "Bobby said this, bobby said that..."
Don't get me wrong, the man is smart... He just needs to fix up his diet page...
Anyway, I just need some credible sources, studies, ANYTHING to give them. They won't take my word for it when I tell them he might be wrong... lol
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 22:48:54 GMT -5
Post by taratee on Feb 24, 2011 22:48:54 GMT -5
you can give your animals a biotin deficiency from raw eggs cant you?
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:05:05 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 23:05:05 GMT -5
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:06:38 GMT -5
Post by littlewiseowl on Feb 24, 2011 23:06:38 GMT -5
you can give your animals a biotin deficiency from raw eggs cant you? Only if you're feeding excessive amounts of raw egg WHITES. Until someone can show me healthy animals with proper diets who's gotten biotin deficiencies from being fed WHOLE raw eggs I'm going to continue to believe that they don't (again, unless you're feeding raw egg whites or too many eggs in general)
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:08:53 GMT -5
Post by taratee on Feb 24, 2011 23:08:53 GMT -5
i thought there was risk if you over feed eggs
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:12:42 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 23:12:42 GMT -5
The yolk has the highest content of biotin that occurs in nature ( I think), so it cancels out the effects of the egg whites.
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:15:39 GMT -5
Post by littlewiseowl on Feb 24, 2011 23:15:39 GMT -5
From what I understand, there IS a risk of OVERFEEDING eggs. As I already stated. lol
But you shouldn't be overfeeding eggs, or exclusively egg whites anyway.
Personally, I feed 2 egg yolks with 1 egg white or sometimes just egg yolks.
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:17:14 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 23:17:14 GMT -5
I let my girls split an egg (I mix it up so they cant eat just the white) once a week. It's fun for them, and it's a great protein source.
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:32:25 GMT -5
Post by taratee on Feb 24, 2011 23:32:25 GMT -5
right once a week. but the problem is that they CAN cause a biotin deficiency if fed improperly
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:37:49 GMT -5
Post by goingpostal on Feb 24, 2011 23:37:49 GMT -5
Feeding anything improperly could cause a deficiency, as a normal varied diet an occasional whole egg is fine. I would think the tegu thing is probably stemming from people who are cheap and feed way too many eggs. I feed an egg a week normally with organs as a raw soupie, all mixed up well.
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:37:53 GMT -5
Post by littlewiseowl on Feb 24, 2011 23:37:53 GMT -5
Just like how feeding raw can cause a problem if you don't do it properly.
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:39:22 GMT -5
Post by taratee on Feb 24, 2011 23:39:22 GMT -5
exactly which is why its almost easier to say it will kill them then to try to explain it? he might have been simplifying
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Raw Egg
Feb 24, 2011 23:40:16 GMT -5
Post by Heather on Feb 24, 2011 23:40:16 GMT -5
I feed no more than 3 eggs a week (then you will see biotin issues or what I assume are biotin issues...rat tail) I find that feeding 1 or 2 eggs a week works fine for my guys, I also use egg shell with this as well. Not all of it, no animal would eat all of the shell, they would lick out the contents. Of course they may eat 4 or 5 or more in one meal but never see another egg for weeks or months. There is a very narrow window when they would find the advantage of finding eggs in the wild. So the chances of getting a regular supply of eggs would be non-existant. These eggs would also be much smaller. That being said I don't think I have any documented proof. I know you're looking for proof, absolute but I don't have anything other than anecdotal...sorry ciao
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Raw Egg
Feb 25, 2011 0:00:57 GMT -5
Post by littlewiseowl on Feb 25, 2011 0:00:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the input.
I know a ferret wouldn't really be eating many eggs in the wild. I'm mostly talking about feeding large lizards though who scavenge bird/reptile nests. (I know, wrong forum but biotin/avidin applies to all animals who eat eggs)
A large lizard would swallow the whole egg though some crack them and lick out the contents like you stated. Depends on the animal.
Also, I've not heard about biotin issues being the cause of rat tail... I imagine if a ferret had a biotin deficiency, its whole body would be affected rather than just the tail.... Who knows though.
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Raw Egg
Feb 25, 2011 0:19:13 GMT -5
Post by littlewiseowl on Feb 25, 2011 0:19:13 GMT -5
exactly which is why its almost easier to say it will kill them then to try to explain it? he might have been simplifying I think that's what got most people into feeding commercial pet food ONLY and never looking outside of the box. I'd prefer proper education rather than just saying "It'll kill your pet".
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