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Post by kpaz on Dec 28, 2011 17:39:46 GMT -5
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Post by lumene on Dec 28, 2011 18:41:03 GMT -5
Umm. You use the Pet or Kid variety, last I checked alcohol is bad for them.
Also, it works. I have been using it on myself and my fur kids (Ihave adult and kid types) for the last couple months because anti anxiety meds either made me seriously depressed or have me eating them like candy and then zoning out in class.
It Does reduce stress in animals too, in one of my older threads I introduced my cat to my ferret and he tried to kill her. Couple weeks on RR and they were safe to be supervised for short periods, almost two months later and they're still working things out but they don't attempt to draw blood.
I trust in the senior members to know what they're suggesting to us newbies, and because I've seen RR used at horse shows I think it has some merit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 19:07:10 GMT -5
I'm holding in my hands an empty bottle of Bach Rescue Remedy natural stress relief for pets. It does not contain brandy. Inactive ingredients are 80% glycerine 20% water. It is safe and gentle and Veterinarian recommended.
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Post by Sherry on Dec 28, 2011 19:20:30 GMT -5
I honestly don't know where you are getting the 50/50 water/brandy idea from. Whether it's "psuedo-science" or not, it actually DOES work. I've used it myself,as well as for my animals. And they aren't going to be tricked by a "placebo" effect.
Herbal medications are genuine, and have similar side effects, etc. After all- virtually any medication is toxic in high quantities.
To be honest, you likely won't find reliable studies for herbal remedies. No more than you'll find reliable studies for raw feeding. Those companies who can afford to do all the studies generally are the ones who stand to lose the most by them- big pharmacy. Why on earth would they want to do a study to show something much gentler on the system works without the toxic side effects of what they produce?
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Post by Heather on Dec 28, 2011 19:40:11 GMT -5
Going by what you know as science this is going to seem like hocus pocus, but some hocus pocus does work  I could say it's snake oil, but I've been using Bach remedies for over 15 yrs. I've never seen the mix ratio that you've found...find yourself a true Bach remedy or at very least get a child's remedy that doesn't have alcohol. I've seen this work with animals too often to say that it's my imagination. Like homeopathy, if you don't study it, it probably won't make much sense. We've had a number of our med students who've questioned it, then used it, now swear by it.....it's an experience ciao |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 22:33:29 GMT -5
There seem to be a couple different Bach websites, but they do say that some of the varieties have "grape-based brandy" as a preservative. Retail sites say 27% "alcohol" for the Spray; the Drops are alcohol-free. If you don't like the sound of it, pass it by... it's hardly a necessity and not meant to be a cure-all. But I've used RR with the ferrets, dogs, and my own self and had good results. It's been around a long time and never been linked with any negative effects.
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Post by kpaz on Jan 3, 2012 18:24:44 GMT -5
Good point, Sherry. I'm just always really wary about everything, always. The only bottles they had at the store definitely were the brandy-preserved ones, and the worker said they all have the same ingredients, so that really turned me off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 19:20:30 GMT -5
Ok, so now im confused(not hard to do), the only bach rescue remedy i can find in my area are the drops that do contain 27% alchol which we bought for our pot bellied pig. Have not used it on the ferrets yet but would it be safe? Also has anybody herd of Animals Apawthecary. Website is www.animalessentials.com ingresents are valerian root 1:4, scullcap herb 1:4, passion flower herb 1:4, oat flowering tops 1:4 and inactive ingredents are, vegetable glycerin USP, and distilled water. Are theese items ferret safe? It says for dogs and cats. It also has a large dosage range. 10-20 drops for cats and 20-40 drops for dogs. Any info would be great |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 20:01:59 GMT -5
I think I heard you can leave the lid off the variety with alcohol in it then it will evaporate also you should probably only use it on the ear flap.
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Post by Heather on Jan 3, 2012 21:34:17 GMT -5
Seemingly, even heating it will only get rid of 80%....so...where does that leave you  In a pinch I've used it. So, did the remedy work or was my poor wee one impared I'm presently using the RR with glycerine, it's made specifically for pets. I get the same result. If you're really concerned about the alcohol, a drop on the ear flap or nose or even foot pads will work equally well. If you don't believe in it...don't use it. I can't explain it. I figure after using it for over 15 yrs, both when alcohol was the only solution mix and now when glycerin is now considered better, I will continue to use it...for stresses that afflict my wee ones. ciao |
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Post by Sherry on Jan 3, 2012 22:59:07 GMT -5
And I can't find the pet one(never seem to get around to ordering online), so I use it. They've suffered no ill effects(that I'm aware of), and it takes the edge off for them. I use it for me, for the ferrets, as well as for my cats. Four drops in individual water dishes, same for the cat's food when they need it. One drop rubbed either into the ear flap or paw pad. Although I've got a couple who love the taste ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 14:06:58 GMT -5
Sherry: thank you. I just dont want to spend money for shipping. That money needs to go animal food.
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Post by katt on Jan 7, 2012 2:37:58 GMT -5
As stated it's not 50-50 brandy-water.  I'd suggest finding a list of the herbs used and researching them individually. Granted, that still won't give you a 100% idea of how they work in combination. I wish I knew more about the stuff in it but I hope this helps... (if it makes any difference I have my bachelor's degree in Biology, am applying to medical school, and am a general skeptic of many things). "Scientific" meds vs herbal meds...it all comes down to the base chemicals. Many pharmaceutical meds are the same basic thing as herbals. Sodium benzoate is sodium benzoate whether it was produced chemically in a pharmaceutical lab or derived from the root of a Purple Indonesian boa-boa tree. (completely fabricated example just for the record, just making a general point). Then, as was already said you have the fact that a lot of herbal remedies simply have not been researched. Yet this stuff has been in use for centuries and longer even! Take lavender for example...people use it for relaxation. All you will probably find is (OMG I am totally blanking on the word...this is killing me! Someone please help! lol)...testimonial feedback....  Words...brain.... Anyways, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Garlic has known antibiotic properties, but you won't find a doctor recommending for someone to swallow raw garlic instead of amoxycillin. I'm not being as clear as I would like but I hope I'm at least getting some of my point across. Just because something is herbal and hasn't been researched doesn't mean it doesn't work. It MIGHT be hocus pocus, and it might not be. I can tell you that I have used it on my ferrets and myself and it worked. And as Heather mentioned, placebos won't work on ferrets. Also want to add that I use the alcohol kind. The amount of alcohol is very small. |
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Post by katt on Jan 7, 2012 2:47:11 GMT -5
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Post by katt on Jan 7, 2012 3:02:51 GMT -5
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