M: AM bone in meat chicken wings PM: boneless meat lamb plus olive oil and squash
T: AM bone in meat chicken wings PM boneless meat pork plus olive oil and squash
W: AM bone in meat chicken quarters PM: organ meat (50% liver, 50% other) 50%liver + gizzards+ one egg with crushed egg shell+ some boneless meat like beef chicken brest turkey or lamb. but just one of them not all of them. This is their weekly soup plus they get their olive oil and squash.
R: AM bone in meat chicken wing PM bone in meat chicken quarter
F: AM bone in meat chicken quarter PM heart meal boneless Meat with supplement plus squash and olive oil
S: AM bone in meat chicken wing PM boneless meat pork plus olive oil and squash
SUN: AM bone in meat chicken wing PM bone in meat OR boneless meat beef plus olive oil and squash
I know I need to find more bone in meats. Believe me I am sick of feeding chicken!
I put raw slivers in the soup he will eat them sometimes and other times he eats around them.
This Is a what I fed last week. Some meals may have been skipped because they had a lot of good meat still in the cage. some days may have been switched with other meats but this is for the most part what was given. They get their olive oil and squash everyday if they skip dinner or not.
They had some Cornish Hen they liked it and ate it all. I gave them half of the hen. They ate most of the bones just a little leg bone was left.
Hooligan Is going into the vets tomorrow for the bg test and over all check up. He as been losing a lot of hair I don't know If its from blowing his winter coat or something else. He is not missing patches of hair or being aggressive to the other ferrets. I don't think its adrenal but I will ask the vet what he thinks
Main feedback was to add another bone in meat, cut back on the chicken a bit
Yay! Glad they liked the CGH mine love them too
Let me know how Hooligan does. Make sure he is fasted (no food) for 4 hour prior to the bg test. The fur loss could be shedding or adrenal disease. Is he showing any other signs of adrenal? Aggression? Mounting other ferrets?
I went to the vet on Saturday and he said Hooligan looked good. He didn't even want to run the BG test but I made him. Hooligan had not eaten for more them 4 hours before we even got to the vet. Then we waited to see the vet for over a hour. The BG came back at the middle to high 80s. If he had only been fasted for 4 hours I am sure it would have been higher. The vet said It was a fine number. The vet was telling me not to feed raw. He had seen three cases of salmonella poisoning this year. I don't know If I believe that. I didn't much like that vet. I think I will look for a new one. He shaved hooligans arm and stuck him two times now he has a huge bruise on half his poor arm. Plus he said the amount of shedding he has it normal. So know I know I am boring. I have never been so happy to be boring in my life.
I'm going to post something miamiferret posted in my thread, with the important info bolded.
there are other things that cause low blood glucose and people always blame insulinoma but that is not always the case. but insulinoma usually is the culprit. take her in for a blood test. liver enzymes, kidney function.
Test blood glucose on a 4 hour fast. Anything in the 80's & below is highly suspicious. Although I think anything under 90 is also suspicious. under 70 and i'm pretty darn sure you have a ferret that is producing too much insulin. the thing is, what is "normal" bg for one ferret is not always normal for others. however, IMO a bg of 69 on a 3 hour fast is not normal for any ferret. in a normal healthy ferret, BG should be above 100 on a 4 hour fast. are you seeing any other signs of insulinoma in pixie? sleeping alot, spacing out, wobbly when she first wakes up, drooling? the thing is also, some ferrets never even show signs of insulinoma! one of my ferrets NEVER showed any of the classic signs of insulinoma until one day when i came home and found him on the floor and unable to move. If bg levels (on a four hour fast) are in the 70's or 80's you can try to manage with diet first. you would have to make sure she eats every 5 to 6 hours to maintain bg levels. goal is to keep bg steady and avoid the roller coaster ups & downs. as i have said before, diet only goes so far. The tumors continue to grow and spread throughout the pancreas. the pancreas begins producing even more insulin and lowering bg to the point that you will not be able to manage with diet alone. At this point, you will have to begin meds. as for a timeline. that depends. every ferret is different. i have heard of ferrets going a few years on meds for insulinoma. not the case with everyone. some ferrets seem to get it worse than others and their tumors are more aggressive. once the tumors become unmanageable with diet, you can usually manage them with meds for about 1 year more or less.
How long was he fasted exactly (if you know)? Since he was fasted longer than 4 hours and it was still in the mid to high 80's, I think you should be okay. However, be on the lookout for symptoms of insulinoma (spacing out, lethargy, etc). Make sure he has some raw in the cage at all time in case he gets hungry.
How is Hooligan's appetite? What's his diet look like? Stools? What about everyone else - doing okay?
I still put raw in the cage 24/7. He gets soup every 2 to three days. He gets kibble once in the morning and twice at night. We stay up to about 1 in the morning every night and I will wake him just to see if he wants to eat. Stool in all of them is slowly getting better. Still grainy and green but getting better. Its still grainy even with the 1/2 a tea spoon of squash everyday. Should I give less oil and more squash?
His fast I hate to say this but it was about 12 hours. I got up at five to feed him. I went back to sleep. Then we got up got ready ate and left. The drive to the vet was over a hour in and of its self and we waited to see him for an hour. Poor thing I feel really bad but he seemed fine the hole time. The vet did a full exam and didn't seem to think anything was to worry about.
Well on a fast that long BG seems fine. A healthy ferret can go 12 hours without food. Only reason a 4 hour fast is suggested is 1) for ferrets that are possibly sick with insulinoma and 2) to have a standard between readings. Just watch him and be aware of any off behavior.
I'd up the squash to 1 tsp. How much oil are they getting?
Are you seeing seedy stools with all proteins, or maybe 1 or 2 in particular?
They get half a tea spoon of oil. I couldn't really tell you if its different with different meat. I will watch more closely to see though. It seems to be consistent though.
I am a ferret hypochondriac I am freaked out if they do anything kind of weird. Every new sickness I read about I fell like one of them has it when they don't. Oh The vet said Hooligan is closer to 4 then 2.