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Post by Sherry on Jun 10, 2011 21:42:40 GMT -5
Interesting discovery tonight. I think he may be reacting to his turkey soup! I got him to eat some commercial lamb with the KMR last night, and this morning, and here was the stool he had: i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k488/sinnead2/Medical/photo.jpgThat's one of the best in a long time! If that's the case, I think we are going to leave all poultry OFF the menu for a while. At least until he's(hopefully) fully stabilized. And I'm going to try to keep him on the lamb for several days, just to see what happens.
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Post by Heather on Jun 10, 2011 22:51:04 GMT -5
It's always fantastic when one makes a break-through discovery with these guys. I hope that he continues to improve. You may find that he can no longer tolerate poultry, sometimes illnesses and medications create conditions that make the body reject that what it used for sustenance before. It may have been a borderline food to begin with, his illness raising his reactions and no longer allowing his body to tolerate poultry as food. ciao
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Post by Sherry on Jun 10, 2011 22:58:55 GMT -5
It's entirely possible. He's always had problems prior with chicken off and on. But never with other poultry previously. He never even used to have a problem with cornish hen Oh, well. I'm also leaving beef off the menu for a while as well, since he did have very liquid stool on that this past week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2011 4:33:19 GMT -5
I hope his stools continue to look good!
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Post by katt on Jun 11, 2011 12:21:57 GMT -5
Lamb is amazing...if you can get them to eat it. Sherry look for goat as well, it is very similar to lamb. Check out local Halal or African markets, they typically carry it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2011 15:23:21 GMT -5
Fingers crossed that you've hit on something significant for Boris - Keep off all poultry for at month if you can. NV has rabbit (has pork fat/organs), lamd, and venison (has lamb organs). The venison has beef kidney, and I know that Boris and beef do not mix well.
If you do buy some commercial diets, be sure to read the ingredients since they may have some chicken (fat/organs, etc.) in them if fat/organs are not available for their recipes.
For now, avoid anything chicken/turkey/poultry. If you try to re-introduce a little poultry in the the future, add a little poultry fat with no meat/organs. The reason for this is that allergies to the proteins are more common than allergies to fats. The fat may be OK, and some commercial foods may have only the fat from poultry will all proteins being some some non-poultry source.
Fingers crossed that improvement continues.
jennifer
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Post by Sherry on Jun 11, 2011 16:05:19 GMT -5
Thanks It actually is the NV lamb he's on right now. And yes, I saw the mixed meat in a few of them, so I've picked up some Red Dog/Blue Cat venison : www.reddogdeli.com/products.php?id=48&page=Products%20for%20CatsI'm going to hold off on mixing it in for at least 3-4 days, to see how he continues to do on the lamb by itself. This morning's stools weren't quite as good as the ones from yesterday, but still not as bad as they were. And he didn't want to eat as much last night either, so he likely ate a bit of the pork in for Vincent and Lucrezia.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2011 0:49:06 GMT -5
I agree - I'd consider keeping him on lamb only for at lest a week..I always recommend lamb for IBD, and I recommend not switching for at least a week if things seems to be improving/stabilizing to any degree. You'll see this recommendation in Koda's thread....I think Koda stabilize on lamb/pork since the lamb was expensive in the grocery store.
What source are your pancreatic enzymes from? bovine? porcine? If things are starting to improve, you may want to consider trying the pancreatic enzymes in a few day.
When you are ready... If you have porcine-based enzymes,you may want to mix in a tiny bit of the enzyme in the foo the night before it's served. The pancreatic enzymes do not hold up to stomach acids. This is why they need to be mixed into the food in advance....they basically pre-digest the food.
-jennifer
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Post by Sherry on Jun 12, 2011 11:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 17:24:16 GMT -5
Give it a try. I looked up the ingredients...I for the product you have. I just didn't want any beef protein in the mix you give Boris because the Boris + beef usually = bad poops!
I'm hoping the lamb is settling OK with Boris and a little bit of enzyme can help improve digestion. Just start with a very small pinch, mix it into th emeat and allow it to sit for at least a half hour. I usually mix the stuff in the food one meal in advance of serving. Example: when I serve dinner, I prepare tomorrow's breakfast with a pinch of the enzymes. The enzymes work on the food in the fridge. When breakfast is served in the morning, I prepare dinner (mix a small pinch of enzymes in dinner so it will be ready to serve in the evening.)
-jennifer
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Post by Sherry on Jun 13, 2011 17:43:46 GMT -5
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Post by Sherry on Jun 14, 2011 23:11:00 GMT -5
Well, vet is happy with his progress! He's gained 40 grams in the last two weeks, up to 800 grams now His stools have held relatively stable on the lamb. I've started putting a pinch of the pancreatic enzymes on his mince, along with about 1 tbsp of KMR. He's eating it fine(as long as I feed him ). He will have been on lamb alone since the evening of the 9th, so in a couple of days, I'm going to start mixing in a wee bit of venison. Say, 90% lamb, 10% venison, increasing 10% a day, til he's on all venison with the enzymes, along with his KMR. And no- he will NOT eat the grind without it- I tried . He's on 1mg of pred a day for the next two weeks, then .05mg for the following two weeks. She wants to know how he's doing with the venison about 1/2 way through the protein switch. He'll also be going back into see her in a months time. So, all in all, very positive First time I've actually had some hope for this little guy in a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2011 23:58:23 GMT -5
YAY!!!! This is great news!!!! Most ferrets like a slow switch between foods, so the 90/10 transition start is a good plan. Fingers crossed that Boris continues to improve. Stick with a tiny amount of the enzyme for a while. Nothing is worse than when the lose all interest in food. It's also good that your vet is tapering off slowly. If Boris has to be hooked on something, at least it's nutritious - there's a heck of a lot worse out there than KMR. Things like nutrical and ferretvite have tons of sugar/fructose.
-jennifer
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Post by Sherry on Jun 15, 2011 0:01:30 GMT -5
I was kind of hoping you'd say that about the KMR ;D I've had such a fight this last while trying to get enough food into him, that I think we are going to stick with it for a while before slowly weaning him off of it I'll let you know how the venison goes over with this lad ;D
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Post by crazylady on Jun 15, 2011 13:57:07 GMT -5
Hi sherry good luck with the switch my lot love venison and yes there krm junkies too lol ( thankfully no ibd ) what about rabbit have you tried him with that ? or moose meat I know some people feed buffalo too so there are plenty options still open to you if he gets sick of lamb lol godo luck hope he keeps up the good work and ends up pear shaped ! take care bye for now Bev aka crazy lady
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