leeandatsui
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My ferret has a mass on his chest can someone, help me, guide me, where to read, what to do??
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Post by leeandatsui on Oct 6, 2019 22:09:09 GMT -5
Hello ferret community,
I am the owner of a baby ferret of six months, just got him from the pet store and place him straight to raw.
He came with his belly bloated and store vet not ferret vet told me he had gas and sent me home.
It’s his second day on a raw and he went straight for the frankensoup, he loved it.
I’ve noticed his poop looking yellowish and mucousy, is it because of the switch or must I search for a bacteria test?
Thanks a lot.
Can some one send me a picture of how healthy poop should look like???
Thank you!!!!
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Oct 7, 2019 2:35:44 GMT -5
Hello ferret community, I am the owner of a baby ferret of six months, just got him from the pet store and place him straight to raw. He came with his belly bloated and store vet not ferret vet told me he had gas and sent me home. It’s his second day on a raw and he went straight for the frankensoup, he loved it. I’ve noticed his poop looking yellowish and mucousy, is it because of the switch or must I search for a bacteria test? Thanks a lot. Can some one send me a picture of how healthy poop should look like??? Thank you!!!! I really do not know anything about bloat but read that some baby ferrets have died with bloat. Personally I think you need to find an exotic vet or someone that knows a lot about ferrets. There may be medications that can get rid of the bacteria that is causing it, as reading in this article it is caused by the gas of a bacteria. My ferrets had bacteria overload although not bloat when I first switched them. A fecal test was done, and I had to put them on an antibiotic. I would go to vet and get a fecal test. Someone here may know more and give you a better answer. Gastric bloat is thought to be due to gas produced by anaerobic Clostridium perfringens type A (previously named Clostridium welchii) multiplying in the stomach. (B602.3.1.w3A, B627.11.w11, J195.11.w2)
The bacteria produces endotoxins and destroys villous epithelial cells of the gut, . (B602.3.1.w3A)
Multiplication of Clostridium perfringens may occur due to:
Carbohydrate overload of the intestines due to overeating: (B602.3.1.w3A)
If the ferret has been fasted for twenty four hours and then left to over eat, this may cause gastric bloat syndrome. (B627.11.w11, J195.11.w2)
Diet change, particularly with an increase in cereals. (B602.3.1.w3A, B627.11.w11, J195.11.w2)
Reduced intestinal motility. (B602.3.1.w3A)
Non-hygienic preparation of foods. (B627.11.w11, J195.11.w2)
In dogs, and probably in ferrets, gastric dilatation causes ischaemia of the gastric wall, and pressure occlusion of the caudal vena cava and portal vein, resulting in circulatory shock. (B627.11.w11)
Infectious Agent(s)
Clostridium perfringens
In Ferrets
Clinical signs are usually seen half an hour to four hours after being fed. (B627.11.w11, J195.11.w2) These include:
Acute abdominal enlargement. (B602.3.1.w3A, B627.11.w11, J195.11.w2)
Blue mucous membranes (cyanosis). (B602.3.1.w3A, B627.11.w11, J195.11.w2)
Dyspnoea. (B602.3.1.w3A, B627.11.w11, J195.11.w2)
Sometimes sudden death (may be found dead, with abdominal distension). (B602.3.1.w3A, B627.11.w11, J195.11.w2)
Gross pathology
The stomach may be full of food and gas. (B627.11.w11)
Subcutaneous emphysema may be found (without putrefaction). (B627.11.w11)
Further Information
This syndrome is not commonly found in pet ferrets, but is more commonly found in farmed ferrets in New Zealand. (B627.11.w11)
This has also been seen in Mustela nigripes - Black-footed ferret. (B602.3.1.w3A)
Susceptibility
More commonly seen in weanling ferrets. (B602.3.1.w3A, B627.11.w11)
wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Miscellaneous/Gastric_bloat_syndromeFerrets.htm
Here is another read
www.thesprucepets.com/ferret-bloat-1238685
A poop chart is here
www.all-about-ferrets.com/ferret-poop.html
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Post by Heather on Oct 8, 2019 15:57:03 GMT -5
I would say because of the switch, you're probably going to get some funky stools, because of whatever he was eating that caused him to bloat up this too must come out. Have his stools improved at all? What about the bloating? If they offered him his kibble dry (they're instructed to moisten but it's messy and goes bad quickly)he may be just suffering from that. Yellowish stools from cheap kibble or Marshals kibble is not uncommon. The mucous would be just his body trying to learn how to handle real food. A baby that age, I'd be tempted to feed whole bone in meats as soon as possible. Whole prey is another thing that helps with loose stools. Also remember that a raw fed stool looks nothing like a kibble stool. You may have to take a stool sample in to have it tested for bacteria but if the wee one appears to be high energy and eating well, it may just be the transition
ciao
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leeandatsui
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My ferret has a mass on his chest can someone, help me, guide me, where to read, what to do??
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Post by leeandatsui on Oct 28, 2019 21:00:32 GMT -5
Hello dear Heather!
How long can he go on the soup. I stared on October 4th and now it’s the 28th. When must I give him bones? I started adding chunks of chicken, heart and liver.
He loves heart and liver , not battling those.
Chicken he eats with a gravy soup of liver and heart. Can I do that? It’s barely on top, just for the Taste.
He hasn’t had any bone or egg since I stated the switch.
I added bigger chunks on Saturday, and he has been with diarrhea poop and then seedy poop😵
He looks extremely happy and energetic.
Do you have any information on frozen food.
How long can I have the soupi on the fridge. For how many days?
He doesn’t do well with unfrozen prepared soup. His poop looks the best when I buy the chicken and immediately make it for him , if I freeze it, he’ll battle to eat it when it unfrozens.
I feel I am doing a step wrong!
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Oct 30, 2019 6:23:39 GMT -5
About diarrhea:
If not doing this, use powdered eggshell or human grade bone meal in ur soupie to help prevent diarrhea(as well as providing calcium).
The regular 8 ounce soupie calls for 1/2 to 3/4 teaspoon of bone-meal or eggshell powder. So when I make organ soupies, I go for 8 ounces (4 oz of liver and 4 oz of kidney or other organ). I will put that much eggshell powder in the 8 ounces of organ soupie. Of course you can cut recipe in half.
You can do this also with the partial heart meal too---the one that is 1/2 heart,1/4 liver,1/4 other organ as well. Freeze the remaining in ice cube tray, then put in a freezer bag. That is what some folks have done with regular soupies when making a batch.
Since ferrets tend to love hearts why not experiment and cut them up into chips with a teaspoon of warm water on them or just slice them and offer? U can always revert back to the soupie.
When offering bone, chicken wing minus the drumette is a great start. My 3 mos old loved those. But then, she was a baby and ate everything offered to her.
Quail can be found at Asian stores in freezer section. Nice small bones. Make sure if you find quail at regular grocery stores they do not have spices and other ingredients to make enticing for humans. My boy loves the wings of quail for some reason---hardly any meat on them:)
Mine like eating during the night. If you want to experiment, how about leaving the lower pieces of a wing in cage overnight or even some chicken back-- just to see if he will go for it. My Phoebe was on soupie and one day I heard her crunching on some meat. A piece that she found had turned into jerky---so she kind of graduated to crunching on hard things herself.
Personally, I would get rid of soupie within 24 hours if refrigerated---like if u made it fresh. Someone may have specific info on that though. I would freeze fresh and remaining batch in ice cube tray. You can always put your cube(s) in a baggie and let it sit in some warm water to thaw.
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Post by miamiferret2 on Nov 2, 2019 9:52:21 GMT -5
My current ferret was also like that when he was a kit. He was tiny and had a big bloated stomach. I feel bad that I can't remember what it was, but I think the vet said he had an overgrowth of yeast? His poops were very large and some had little color. He definitely had some intestinal upset. we added digestive enzymes to his food. His belly was like that before I got him home, so it was not the raw diet. If anything, the raw diet was part of the solution to whatever he had going on.
I switched him to raw on day 1 (we have no kibble in this house) and he also had funky poops, but that is normal during the transition. They do go through a sort of detox period after you bring them home. Their poops smell awful at first. Also, these kits sold at pet shops are weaned from mothers milk and switched to a bad diet far too early.
It is rare to get a kit (from a pet store) that doesn't have some sort of G.I. issue at first.
There was a really bad ECE strain going around in the 90's and I wouldn't even touch the ferrets in the pet stores. I was so afraid that I would bring it home with me and kill my ferrets.
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Post by Heather on Nov 2, 2019 11:57:19 GMT -5
ECE is still an issue with pet store kits and can be devastating to existing businesses. The unfortunate thing is the kits actually have an immunity or are carriers. Considering the stress that pet store kits are under, the stomach upset is hugely understandable. I'm surprised as many survive as they do. Having a kit tested for bacterial overgrowth and coccidia would be my choice if you continue to have gastric upsets
ciao
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