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Post by aurra on Aug 22, 2019 21:55:50 GMT -5
A month ago there was a pink pee so a watched everyone (6 ferrets) and they all peed yellow. I read that sometimes infections can cause pink pee and go away on their own so I thought it was that. 4 days later another pink pee and I watched everyone very closely and there was only yellow. And then a blood pee. By then I called my vet and she told me to figure out who it was and bring them in. I got my dad's surveillance camera and when another pee happened my network went down and there was no recording. I started watching them harder. Watching them eat, drink, sleep, play. NOTHING CHANGED!!!! that was August 11th. The network is on and the camera is running and now there's a light pink pee.
It's my 1 year old baby boy. I'm going to call the vet tomorrow as it is 11pm. I'm just wondering if anyone has seen this. Once every couple days discolored pee but yellow and healthy looking every other time? My vet said she's never seen that. She also said that she's going to put a needle in his bladder to take urine and may not need to sedate him. I feel like that's not right. This is the only vet I know that is around me and takes ferrets. Should I spend my morning tomorrow and look for a new vet?
My mom's dog had bladder stones and it was blood every time he peed.
Btw the blood pee was very red, the pink pee was always a very pale pink.
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 23, 2019 7:01:38 GMT -5
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Post by aurra on Aug 23, 2019 11:34:44 GMT -5
So I just finished at the vet. They took a pee sample off the floor and it said white blood cells, red blood cells and crystals. He is given baytril to fight off infection and we're going to go again in a few weeks when the meds are done for another pee test. Other than the pee, he's fine. His blood sugar is good, his attitude is good, the vet watched him pee and said he saw no discomfort. I think he wants to recommend hills urinary cat food if there are still crystals present. I looked at the ingredients on the can quick and brewers rice is up top. Are there any problems with feeding it to him temporarily? Maybe mix it with his food now?
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Post by cockneyferret on Aug 23, 2019 12:36:14 GMT -5
Glad the vet trip wasn't to horrid. I've not had any experience with the food you say, but I was under the impression that Oxbow Carnivore care was the goto food for poorly carpet sharks.
Not sure of the specific composition of the food the vet recommended but it would be interesting to compare it to carnivore care.
Cheers
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Post by unclejoe on Aug 23, 2019 19:58:24 GMT -5
if you can get him to eat the science diet then ok for now. What is you regular diet for them? Crystals lead to stones and it's likely diet related, tho some ferrets are more susceptible to stones. cockneyferret it's probably Hill's Science diet. It's a wet food made for dogs and cats. Just about every vet here has it in their clinic. I'm sure they get a stipend for pushing it. |
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Post by peacexlovexpets on Aug 23, 2019 20:59:11 GMT -5
So I just finished at the vet. They took a pee sample off the floor and it said white blood cells, red blood cells and crystals. He is given baytril to fight off infection and we're going to go again in a few weeks when the meds are done for another pee test. Other than the pee, he's fine. His blood sugar is good, his attitude is good, the vet watched him pee and said he saw no discomfort. I think he wants to recommend hills urinary cat food if there are still crystals present. I looked at the ingredients on the can quick and brewers rice is up top. Are there any problems with feeding it to him temporarily? Maybe mix it with his food now? Don't mix regular food with a urinary diet (other than during the transition period). How a urinary diet works is that it lowers the pH of the urine, making the environment of the urine unfavorable for stones to form/able to degrade stones. If you add too many supplements on top/mix with other diets you will mess up the balance and the diet won't work as intended, so don't mix it unless your vet says it is okay depending on the severity of the stones your pet has. As far as health of your pet on a urinary diet: I feed all of my boys Purina ProPlan diets and they are doing absolutely amazing as far as health and BG goes. If you look at the Purina St/Ox the ingredients list is pretty good as far as Rx cat foods go (1st 3 ingredients are animal proteins and there is no corn or pea flour). The fat content is low in urinary diets though (11%), so you will need to see if you can safely supplement fat on top without altering the urine pH too bad. Math puts the CHO content around 20% or less, but it doesn't hurt to give Purina a call to get the numbers that aren't on the bag. The Hills diet is about 10% less protein than the Purina. They also are fairly low on calories, so your ferret may need to eat more (about 390kcal/cup as opposed to the standard fed 520kcal/cup). |
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Post by Corvidophile on Aug 24, 2019 8:09:48 GMT -5
peacexlovexpets I was under the impression that different type of stones form in different PH environments, do you have more info on that? I can’t find the page I read about this on but I remember seeing photos that featured some that looks like the inside of geodes (struvite maybe?), some that looked like smooth river rocks, and some that looked like little shards (cystine maybe?) again my memory is fuzzy on this but the Hill’s system works on only some types, right?
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 24, 2019 12:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by Corvidophile on Aug 24, 2019 14:59:58 GMT -5
Ah yes, for some reason I thought I saw the pics and definitions on some other website, I was googling trying to find it when it was here all along.
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Post by peacexlovexpets on Aug 26, 2019 8:07:41 GMT -5
peacexlovexpets I was under the impression that different type of stones form in different PH environments, do you have more info on that? I can’t find the page I read about this on but I remember seeing photos that featured some that looks like the inside of geodes (struvite maybe?), some that looked like smooth river rocks, and some that looked like little shards (cystine maybe?) again my memory is fuzzy on this but the Hill’s system works on only some types, right? Calcium Oxylate and Struvite stones can be dissolved by lowering the urine pH (the diets also have less minerals to form the stones and a higher salt content to encourage drinking of free water/increase water intake to dilute the urine). Both Hills and Purina will work on these stones (Royal Canin may also have a diet, but I am uncertain). Urate stones cannot be dissolved and are usually caused by genetic factors and/or liver disease. They can be dissolved (sometimes) with supplemental medications, but they can't be managed by the same diets that you use to manage St/Ox crystals. Usually urate stones only occur in certain breeds of dogs (they are uncommon in cats), so they may not be present in your little buddy's urine. You should be able to talk with your vet to find out what stones are present and the best way to manage it for your noodle, as management depends on the type of stone and they can't expect you to figure that out on your own (as they have a degree for a reason). |
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Post by unclejoe on Aug 27, 2019 16:25:47 GMT -5
peacexlovexpets I was under the impression that different type of stones form in different PH environments, do you have more info on that? I can’t find the page I read about this on but I remember seeing photos that featured some that looks like the inside of geodes (struvite maybe?), some that looked like smooth river rocks, and some that looked like little shards (cystine maybe?) again my memory is fuzzy on this but the Hill’s system works on only some types, right? calcium oxalate stones are irregular crystalline shapes, and are the most common type. If you look at them, it's easy to see why they are so painful. Ferrets are prone to them, so NEVER feed foods made from high oxalate ingredients, like peas, chick peas, sweet potatoes, etc. ALWAYS check grain free kibbles, because in most cases the grains are replaced buy pea and/or sweet potato protein. |
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Post by aurra on Oct 8, 2019 14:35:07 GMT -5
So after some useless time spent at the vet, I found a new vet. My ferrets food is switched to wysong but that's not my problem right now.
My baby guy had his bladder surgery yesterday morning. He's in a cage in my room and going nuts. The cage is 1 section of the FN cage. He's used to being in his room with his pack. I tried bringing him to his room and he stopped exploring after 20 minutes so I brought him back to the cage and he's going nuts again. He absolutely hates it. I tried coving the cage. I tried leaving him in quiet. He won't relax. He's only 1. Help
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Post by Heather on Oct 8, 2019 15:43:24 GMT -5
He needs quiet time. To play with his friends in the manner he wants to, is a high risk. Do you have a playpen? I use a marshals 11 panel for a recovery pen. This gives him an area similar to his original cage size but all on one level. You can attach a litter box and put in some tubes and soft blankets. What did they give him for pain meds?
ciao
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Post by aurra on Oct 8, 2019 21:35:45 GMT -5
The vet told me to put him in the room because he's trying to climb in the cage. The only climbing thing in his room is a couch that I took the legs off it so it's about 6". Since I put him in there he's been sleeping and cuddling his friends. Other than a shaved stomach and a smell, you wouldn't even know he had a surgery. I have metacam for medication. If he throws up tomorrow after the medication then I have to call the vet and see if there is something else we can give him.
I'm just going to check on him throughout the night. He's a lot less stressed in the room so he's able to relax more and everyone is leaving his tummy alone. They smelled him a little bit but no one tried licking him.
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Post by unclejoe on Oct 9, 2019 19:48:54 GMT -5
if you have a playpen I would try it. maybe put one fert in with him at a time so they don't get too rowdy.
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