bare01
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Post by bare01 on Jun 29, 2019 7:03:53 GMT -5
He started eating raw food today. Please check if my way is wrong. AM6: Give him a piece of horse meat (muscles) cut with a knife. He didn't understand that meat was food, so I mixed it a little bit with crushed Kibble. Then he ate 22g of it. drive.google.com/file/d/1suCu-Nh0nEbO0zsNrXyvjM5SvvixeIdx/viewAM11: Give him a piece of horse meat (muscles) cut with a knife. He already understood that it was food, so he could eat without topping anything. He finished eating the 14g I prepared. He handed him his horsemeat (muscles) again, but he was crazy about exploring the room. PM12: Now that He have finished exploring the room, I give him horse meat (muscles) once more. He finished the 14g I prepared again. PM6: Give him a chicken wing (bone) finely cut with a kitchen knife. He didn't understand that meat was food, so I mixed it a little bit with crushed Kibble. Then he ate 9g of it. drive.google.com/file/d/1RhOEU0qO2ZDN0zwhIiFkW9qlXztOc_ix/viewPM7: After exploring the room, I give him chicken wings (bones) again. He already understood that it was food, so he could eat without topping anything. He ate 11g of it. Japan is currently PM9. I'm thinking of letting him eat chicken wings again when it is PM11. He seems to be interested in eating meat, but the wings are hard and it seems difficult to eat. I plan to break up more and give him a chicken wing. His weight was 550g before today's breakfast. He ate 70g of meat by PM 7 today. Poop is black and watery.
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bare01
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Post by bare01 on Jun 29, 2019 9:46:51 GMT -5
He got up at 22:00, so I had him eat chicken wings. He ate 18g. He then ran around in the room and played. At 23 o'clock he ate the 9g chicken wings again. He ate a total of 97g of meat today.
Some sites say that babies eat 20% of their weight. He should eat a little more, but he went to bed.I will go to bed without putting meat in the cage.
This poop is white. It had a lot of small grains that seemed to be bones.
He seems to be more interested in playing than eating. When he get up, he eat little meal and have a poop. Then play in the room and poop again. And he eat the rest of the meal and go to bed. Is this normal?
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Post by Heather on Jun 30, 2019 13:54:12 GMT -5
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Post by bare01 on Jun 30, 2019 22:03:17 GMT -5
I looked at the table on this page and calculated this way. ・ The amount he eats in a day His weight 550g x 20% = 110g AM: Muscle 55g (horse) PM: bone-in meat 55g (chicken wings) ※ Because he was the first to eat meat, replaced AM and PM However, looking at "Reviewing Weekly Balance:", it is written as "10-15% EDIBLE bone". I'm confused by this. Does this indicate only bones? It is planned for his meal this week. Monday AM: Chicken wings (55g) PM: Horse (55g) Tuesday AM: Beef cartilage (55 g) ← He will eat bones I will check PM: Deer (55g) Wednesday AM: Chicken neck (55 g) PM: Cattle heart (28 g) Cattle tongue (28 g) Thursday AM: Chicken Knee Cartilage (55g) PM: Ram (55g) Friday AM: Chicken wings (55g) PM: Deer heart (28 g) Cattle liver (14 g) Pig lung (14 g) Saturday AM: Beef cartilage (55 g) ← He will eat bones I will check PM: Ram (55g) Sunday AM: Chicken breast cartilage (55 g) PM: Cattle liver (14 g) Deer liver (14 g) Pig lung (14 g) Looking at the table, AM is a bone every day. If the bone calculation is wrong, I need to fix it as soon as possible. But I do not know what is wrong. please tell me in detail. His AM diet today gave only muscle, as it was pointed out that there were too many bones.
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Jul 1, 2019 5:50:39 GMT -5
Read more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/25283/check-wrong#ixzz5sQCppdxWThis info was from my mentor who helped me switch. Because of the different vocabulary used when discussing the different kinds of diets, there has been some confusion regarding the correct balance of a raw diet. Whole prey is easy. Each prey animal is a completely balanced meal, so there’s no need to think about numbers. Commercial grind companies use a ratio to determine the amount of meat, organ, and bare bone in their foods. (An ideal commercial grind would be approximately in the ratio of the prey model, or 80:10:10.) Frankenprey feeders don’t just toss a bare bone to their pets, but rather give them bone with meat attached, what we call edible bone-in meat. This terminology is where the confusion lies. Because the bone is served with meat, the percentage of bone-in meat is about 50-60% of the total diet (as opposed to the 10% of bare bone in the prey model). This SEEMS to be in conflict with the prey model ratio, but if you were to pick apart a frankenprey menu and weigh and measure every single thing separately, you would find that the ratio of meat to organ to bone would be very close to 80:10:10. Read more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/16051/abbeytheferret6s-switching-thread-abbylee22#ixzz5sQDEeNbW So a week's menu which is 14 meals, works out to be 80% muscle, 10% organ and 10% bone. So your ferret will have eaten that ratio of food for the week. Anyway, that is how I interpreted the information
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Jul 1, 2019 6:56:12 GMT -5
Minced meat, if it includes organs, heart, and bone, it is also called grinds or commercial raw here. I would make sure there have been no recalls on the brands. Your grinds should be about 80 percent meat, 10 percent organ, and 10 bone. See if that info is provided. So here is how that works if you incorporate it in the frankenprey diet. Go to this site. holisticferretforum.com/natural-diet/raw-diet-the-meat-of-the-site/balancing-frankenprey-with-alternative-meals/Read horizontally. So if you give 1 alternative meal, you will give 8 bone-in meals, 2 muscle meals, 1.5 heart meals and 1.5 organ meals for the week. An “alternative meal” is any of the following: 1. Whole Prey 2. Complete / balanced raw soup (see our recipe in the files or the forum) 3. Complete / balanced commercial frozen raw (containing bone, meat, organs & heart) 4. Complete / balanced freeze dried raw (containing bone, meat, organs & heart) (if anyone sees incorrect info here that I have said---do correct me)
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bare01
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Post by bare01 on Jul 2, 2019 18:39:52 GMT -5
Thank you very much for letting me know in detail. And sorry for the late reply. I understood very well about the raw food thanks to you. And thank you for telling me more about minced meat. I learned that I need to be aware of the subtle nuances of English. You are my trusted teacher! He can eat with confidence in the way you taught him. Today he ate a finely chopped chicken neck(bone-in meat) for breakfast. (The size is about 3 mm) I saw a chart of poop. His poop color is normal. holisticferretforum.com/health/raw-fed-ferret-poop-chart/He is struggling to eat bones, probably because he is still a baby. And I will leave a little bone. Sometimes his bone comes out as it is. Is this normal? Is't he able to digest? Should I cut bones into smaller pieces and give him? I just started raw food and there are many things I do not know. I may have heard many things common to you. I'm sorry.
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Jul 3, 2019 5:51:14 GMT -5
Maybe Heather will comment on your question. My baby was probably older than yours, so I might not be the best one to answer that question. Read more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/25283/check-wrong#ixzz5sbsmRsWYMonday AM: Chicken wings (55g) B PM: Horse (55g) MTuesday AM: Beef cartilage (55 g) ← He will eat bones I will check B PM: Deer (55g) MWednesday AM: Chicken neck (55 g) B PM: Cattle heart (28 g) Cattle tongue (28 g) HThursday AM: Chicken Knee Cartilage (55g) B PM: Ram (55g) MFriday AM: Chicken wings (55g) B PM: Deer heart (28 g) Cattle liver (14 g) Pig lung (14 g) 1/2 h & OSaturday AM: Beef cartilage (55 g) ← He will eat bones I will check B PM: Ram (55g) MSunday AM: Chicken breast cartilage (55 g) B PM: Cattle liver (14 g) Deer liver (14 g) Pig lung (14 g) ORead more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/25283/check-wrong#ixzz5sbtTXka4You have staggered the bone, heart, organ and muscle meals correctly, and you do have 7-9 bone-in meals. From what I understand, cartilage is not a bone. You can give the chicken back(the big boney piece towards the tail) instead. Cut in half vertically. Save the other piece for another bone-in meal. Also you can give a frozen mouse. One mouse counts as a bone-in meal. 2 mice count as a bone-in meal and a muscle meal. Edited for better clarification: One meal of mice counts as a bone -in meal(some ferrets may consume 2 mice at one eating). The next mice meal will take care of a muscle meal. If pooh is chalky looking or has too many bone shards in it, you can add more meat with his bone-in meals. You do not have to give two types of liver on Organ day. You have cattle and deer. Either one is fine. But if you want to--- you can. Oh, I would not give the knee knuckle by itself. My girl was rolling one in her mouth like a marble. I was afraid it would not go down her esophagus--- now that is just my opinion. Anyway, if it is cartilage---it would not count as a bone.
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bare01
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Post by bare01 on Jul 3, 2019 8:27:58 GMT -5
Cow cartilage was cut into chunks of about 2 mm with a knife and passed to him, so there was no risk of nitriding. But, for him it was too hard to eat. He left the cartilage. I thought that cartilage was contained in bone. Thank you for correcting the mistake. And thank you for checking my schedule. I was relieved that you pointed out. I will be able to get frozen mice, so I will buy it.
I will be able to get duck neck, chicken wings, lamb minced bones, rabbit minced bones. (Because I want to strictly control the viscera, I measure it myself and let him eat. That is, I will buy a mince that does not contain the viscera.) And I bought a frozen chick yesterday. He's still a baby, so I'm wondering if it will be finely chopped with a kitchen knife.
Today I put chicken necks in a cage and went to work. He seems to have had a white poop during the day. Then he got diarrhea. I am going to check his nightly poo. I think his physical condition management is very difficult.
By the way, I think his usual poo is soft. Well, that may be because I am used to the dog's poop. (I had never seen Ferret's poo until I lived with him.) Is it normal that ferret poop is softer than dog poop? Or is it soft because he is still a child? Poop is a barometer of health, so I want to understand it correctly.
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Jul 3, 2019 10:05:47 GMT -5
How old is your baby?
You can send pictures of poohs.
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Post by bare01 on Jul 3, 2019 22:30:48 GMT -5
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Jul 4, 2019 3:39:03 GMT -5
Maybe someone will give their opinion I drive myself crazy trying to figure out my male's pooh.
With his age and pics, I hope someone can help you.
By the way, is he drinking water from a bowl or bottle? The bowl gives more hydration. I have a small but sturdy bowl that mine drinks from.
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Post by Sherry on Jul 4, 2019 7:46:06 GMT -5
Those aren't actually bad. Stools will vary depending on what they ate a meal or two previously. And yes, it is normal for some bone to simply pass through in the stool undigested
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Post by bare01 on Jul 7, 2019 5:16:58 GMT -5
By the way, is he drinking water from a bowl or bottle? The bowl gives more hydration. I have a small but sturdy bowl that mine drinks from. Yes he drinks water from the bowl.He did not seem to know how to drink water at first. But he can now drink water from the bowl.
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Post by bare01 on Jul 7, 2019 5:23:46 GMT -5
Those aren't actually bad. Stools will vary depending on what they ate a meal or two previously. And yes, it is normal for some bone to simply pass through in the stool undigested Thank you for telling me about his poop. I was relieved to know that this was normal. He practiced to eat the whole chicken wings today. But he left a little bone. Should I mince the remaining bones with a knife and give it back to him again? drive.google.com/file/d/1NGCxHDHlarvPzXM1uoP5t0JhihhhTGDG/view?usp=drivesdk
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