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Post by Charlie on Mar 27, 2019 16:27:49 GMT -5
Charlie got his DES implant yesterday. It didn't go as well as I hoped. It took 3 tries for the vet to get it in. He didn't take to kindly to it. I'm not familiar to this vet as it was my sister's vet so it was my first time meeting her.
She he put a topical ointment on his skin to numb it but obviously it wasn't enough. She tried again but still no success. Then she used another needle with some more numbing stuff put it on top and also injected some too, in the area.
Charlie's skin was very tough. For the needle being so sharp, I'm surprised it didn't go in easier. It did break the skin on top but didn't go in. She put a bit of glue on top to seal it. It did bleed some. I felt bad for the little guy because it appeared the area wasn't numb enough.
He seems good today. He was his usual self running around and playing. The vet did say it could cause his prostate to enlarge a bit and he may be straining to urinate a bit but should go down in a few days after the surge. Is there anything else I should be aware of?
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Post by raynebc on Mar 28, 2019 12:21:19 GMT -5
My ferrets haven't had any notable problems from DES, my older two ferrets got their third annual implant this year.
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Post by Heather on Mar 29, 2019 23:57:50 GMT -5
I've not seen any serious hormonal side effects, including prostate issues. It's good to be aware, but I've not seen it  ciao |
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Post by Charlie on Mar 30, 2019 21:09:38 GMT -5
Ok great, thank you!!! So far he's been doing well. It looked like he was still peeing normal.
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Post by Heather on Apr 1, 2019 21:22:13 GMT -5
These effects would happen over the next 2 to 3 weeks. The implant does cause hormonal surge which lasts about 2 weeks.
ciao
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Post by boogerybooger on Apr 5, 2019 21:05:11 GMT -5
So what are any other effects resulting from the hormone surge? Two days after Booger's implant, he has small spots on each side of his neck that looked like hair missing and I thought it could be from his new jacket for going outside on a leash. It's awful and rubs his neck I'm sure. but today the spots are bigger. And he's a bit sluggish although eating, pooping, peeing well. Just wondering if there is any correlation since they appeared after the DES. Could just be the vest/jacket, but seems too bare and too symmetrical for that.
Would love any input about DES and if it affects their BG too. Thank you!
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Post by Charlie on Apr 5, 2019 21:08:55 GMT -5
So far I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary with Charlie. When scooping I keep checking to make sure he is still urinating a decent amount and of course checking feces to make sure that looks normal too.
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Post by Charlie on Apr 5, 2019 21:09:24 GMT -5
So what are any other effects resulting from the hormone surge? Two days after Booger's implant, he has small spots on each side of his neck that looked like hair missing and I thought it could be from his new jacket for going outside on a leash. It's awful and rubs his neck I'm sure. but today the spots are bigger. And he's a bit sluggish although eating, pooping, peeing well. Just wondering if there is any correlation since they appeared after the DES. Could just be the vest/jacket, but seems too bare and too symmetrical for that. Would love any input about DES and if it affects their BG too. Thank you! Charlie hasn't lost any fur anywhere. |
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Post by boogerybooger on Apr 7, 2019 0:31:11 GMT -5
I hope he never does.
I'm not sure what these little bald spots are. On closer inspection, they are not symmetrical after all. One behind the ear and the other more on the top/back of neck left of spine when looking down at him.
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Apr 7, 2019 7:51:11 GMT -5
This is phoebe before implant  a few days after implant  Now  My vet said that it lowers cortisol levels, which ferrets that have insulinoma have high levels of. The reason for high levels of cortisol is that it tries to stabilize sugar in the ferret with insulinoma. So a ferret could crash as she said one of the little ferrets she implanted did. Because none of mine have insulinoma(knock on wood), I did not get the skinny on how you would treat a ferret with insulinoma and des implant--- I am reckoning you would adjust pred?? My Phoebe is 5.5 and had symptoms of adrenal---It may not affect young ferrets. I do not know. |
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Post by boogerybooger on Apr 8, 2019 11:19:39 GMT -5
Hi and THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing this info!!! I suspect that the implant caused the hair loss because of the timing. It has been a real roller coaster of getting the right pred dose. He is back in the 500's today- ugh! Notifying vet shortly. So I am thinking if DES lowers cortisol then stability for BG is not happening. Thank you again. Your Phoebe looks like my Booger in color and everything especially in the "Now" picture. Booger got the first implant around 3 years of age and just last fall got the insulinoma diagnosis. I wonder if the DES triggers the insulinoma. There is so much I don't know! That's why I am so grateful for this forum. I know it (you all!) saved Booger.
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Post by boogerybooger on Apr 8, 2019 11:22:19 GMT -5
P.S. Booger is nearing 6 and half years young- ha!  |
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Post by kraesmom on Apr 8, 2019 12:07:48 GMT -5
We've never used any numbing agent when implanting. And yes...the scruff is some TOUGH skin. Your vet needs to find their balls and just do it. I'm sure if you go after it with a delicate hand, it'll never go through and cause more pain than is necessary. That said, the improvement in quality of life is astounding after implant
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Post by Charlie on Apr 8, 2019 23:32:21 GMT -5
I hope he never does. I'm not sure what these little bald spots are. On closer inspection, they are not symmetrical after all. One behind the ear and the other more on the top/back of neck left of spine when looking down at him. Could he be scratching on those spots quite a bit? Charlie was scratching where the DES implant was put in. I think the scab was itchy. |
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Post by Charlie on Apr 8, 2019 23:40:47 GMT -5
We've never used any numbing agent when implanting. And yes...the scruff is some TOUGH skin. Your vet needs to find their balls and just do it. I'm sure if you go after it with a delicate hand, it'll never go through and cause more pain than is necessary. That said, the improvement in quality of life is astounding after implant Charlie is a year and almost 7 months so I have done the implant as a preventative. Trying to keep him as healthy as possible with raw and whole prey so no insulinoma and the DES to ward off adrenal. He gets lots of playtime and free roaming and loving to keep him happy! |
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