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Post by Sherry on Dec 21, 2018 9:50:31 GMT -5
Actually, the more vaccines an animal has, the more likely the odds of a reaction. Also, do not ever vaccinate a sick animal. This includes adrenal and insulinoma.
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Post by pazupazu1 on Dec 21, 2018 11:11:45 GMT -5
Actually, the more vaccines an animal has, the more likely the odds of a reaction. Also, do not ever vaccinate a sick animal. This includes adrenal and insulinoma. This is what I thought, thank you for clarifying. I'll take your advice over the vet as you are a long time ferret owner and my vet has only ever heard of Marshalls brand ferret food. I am emailing around to other exotic vets in the area on if they operate / work on unvaccinated ferrets. Hopefully someone will understand.
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Post by pazupazu1 on Dec 21, 2018 15:03:26 GMT -5
Good news! One of the places responded back to me, they will perform any service on my ferrets without needing vaccines. I was assured they would try and "educate on the legal implications" but they won't refuse service.
I'm so very happy! Now to go into extreme nip training on my youngest to ensure he never slips up. We go the positive reinforcement route which worked super well on my oldest and he never bites xx
Thank you all for the help!
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Post by Sherry on Dec 22, 2018 10:55:20 GMT -5
That is excellent. Also may be an idea to be sure YOU are the one who holds them for all procedures. Also reduces the odds of a fear bite when being treated.
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Post by silentdook on Dec 22, 2018 11:26:44 GMT -5
So do you get yours vaccinated for rabies? Have you ever had any sort of reaction? I appreciate the input, that is kinda how I'm feeling about the whole thing. I'd feel even worse if they bit someone (most likely at the vet office) and they reported it causing them to get quarantined or euthanized. I've had a dozen or so ferrets over the years, always vaxxed, (although on rabies, I have done every other year at times, and am considering every 3 years, depending on laws where I live). They've never had a reaction in any of them. I space the shots 3 weeks apart, make sure of the vaccine being used is the most appropriate, and stay in the clinic for about 45 min after. Some states will consider a ferret "not vaccinated" if it's overdue at the time of any bite. Keep in mind that means any bites, whether ferret/human, wild critter/ferret, or even ferret/ferret if it's a bleeding wound. I just don't want to risk some sh**y bureaucrat deciding my pets' fate, especially when I lived in California.
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Post by silentdook on Dec 22, 2018 16:58:27 GMT -5
Also may be an idea to be sure YOU are the one who holds them for all procedures. Also reduces the odds of a fear bite when being treated. I agree totally with this! My current vet does this cool thing where she lets me gently scruff them and has them walk down the table as she's giving the shot. She calls it "both of us headed the same direction" so if they flinch it's not against the needle.
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Dec 22, 2018 17:35:40 GMT -5
Read more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/24947/titers-rabies-shot-help#ixzz5aSFUakS5This does not mean u are home-free. Here is the science. by DVM PHD Ron Hines. The immune system of ferrets and other animals contain memory cells that recognize things foreign to the body. To gain immunologic memory the body must be exposed to the agent once, to know it, and then a second time to remember it. Because of this the ferret’s first distemper shot never causes a problem. When the ferret is exposed to the vaccine a second or third or fourth time the foreign protein (antigen or allergen) causes the release of dangerous mediator chemicals called histamines, leukotrienes, prostaglandins and tryptase. The ferret’s blood cells that are responsible for the release of these chemicals are called basophils and mast cells. These four chemicals cause the smooth muscle within the respiratory and digestive tract to contract and smooth muscle surrounding the blood vessels to relax. Blood vessels also begin to leak. This causes the respiratory distress and shock-like drop in blood pressure characteristic of anaphylaxis in ferrets. Histamine released into the skin causes the hives we see frequently in dogs and humans undergoing an anaphylactic reaction. In people, the most common cause of anaphylaxis are antibiotics, peanuts and bee stings. www.2ndchance.info/test.php?page=distemperferretEven my vet said it is generally the second not the first shot that one would see a reaction. I was concerned about the rabies I gave my craigslist girl.
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Post by silentdook on Jan 13, 2019 20:47:29 GMT -5
pazupazu1 asked if my ferrets have ever had a reaction, and that was my honest answer, "No, not ever." I understand and appreciate your concern. I have done plenty of talking to my vets, reading articles, and making decisions based on that and the laws where I live and travel with my pets. You see, I volunteer at the local Humane Society, I take my ferrets out in public, and they travel with me, therefore I know our risk of being in contact with the virus is higher than someone who keeps theirs at home, isn't around unknown dogs and ferrets, and doesn't have coyotes, foxes, raccoons and other wildlife exploring the same backyard where their ferrets play. For anyone following along, in the same article, he also states " I vaccinate my own ferrets every three years. If your ferret will be exposed to young, unvaccinated dogs, vaccination every second year might be more appropriate until we have more scientific data on the length of vaccine immunity."His article continues to explain the times he has seen reactions, I noted that they were not with the current vaccines used. His advice aligns with what we've all warned new owners. "It is safest if your pet does not receive more than one vaccination in a given week. After it receives it shot, stay in the waiting room for at least a twenty minutes and observe your pet to be sure it is OK. While you are waiting, do not let the ferret roam around the waiting room or introduce itself to other pets."
He continues: "When I was using the old Fervac-D vaccine (emphasis mine) to vaccinate ferrets, I became all too familiar with anaphylaxis in ferrets.
Ferrets that show any signs of an impending vaccine reaction immediately receive an injection of epinephrine and oxygen via a face mask.
These acute allergies or anaphylactic reactions are due to the ferret’s body becoming sensitized to ingredients in the vaccine. It is not the actual virus protein, needed to immunize the ferret, that causes the reaction but other ingredients used in the propagation of the distemper virus or used to preserve and fortify the vaccine.
If your ferret ever experiences a vaccine reaction and you feel that you must go through this again, insist that it receives an antihistamine injection 20 minutes before its next vaccination or, if your lifestyle does not bring the animal in contact with dogs and distemper, consider forgoing the vaccinations entirely or modify the pet's lifestyle so vaccination becomes unnecessary.
My suggestions are for owners of pet ferrets in typical household situations. They are not for ferret breeders or people who keep large numbers of ferrets , nor for pet shops, ranchers, shelter or pet show conditions. In those situations, the likelyhood of exposure is much greater, the likelihood of a weakened immune system is greater and distemper virus exposure can be massive enough to override the animal's immunity."So... the take-away is that everyone analyze their own lifestyle with their pets and make their decisions based on that. I'm not one to tell owners what to do, and I offer my own experience and knowledge when asked so they can make a fully informed decision. If my lifestyle changes or more information becomes available based on science, I may even change my decisions.
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Post by silentdook on Jan 13, 2019 21:18:51 GMT -5
I also think that this entire article on when to vaccinate both rabies and distemper is a good read, because he also has a different opinion about when to vaccinate a young ferret. (well, as of 2014). Thank you for posting from that site, I found a lot of good information on it.
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