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Post by lycorisousa on Jan 22, 2018 19:16:29 GMT -5
Thank you, Orion is the little prince and Arioch is my trouble maker.
I try and section them off into two different pieces so they each have one. So they'll both have big chucks but they normally just fight over them. I'll definitely be weighing more closely to make it all around the same.
Food wise he went over to look at it and even took some but started hacking a few moments later coughing up very little. Next time he went up to the food Arioch had some but he didn't seem interested. The water they have it in the cage, but most of the time they just play in it and wait for free roam to get into the dog's water.
He seemed interested in the cat toys and even chased it but if I put him down he just plops, normally he'll go into the cage to sleep or lay down and engage with me when outside of the cage. As I was typing this he climbed into my doxie crate which is on top of a big wire crate. He does this when he really wants to be left alone and sleep.
EDIT: He came out and is eating, he seems to be going for the pork instead of the beef cheek.
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Post by LindaM on Jan 22, 2018 19:24:28 GMT -5
Looking at that poop. Did they have any eggs recently?
You said Orion started hacking and couching with the food? Any throwing up?
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Post by lycorisousa on Jan 22, 2018 19:42:48 GMT -5
Last they had egg was Tuesday, mom forgot to bring me some down when she visited so we are picking up some tonight along with some pumpkin just in case.
He just hacked some of it out just mostly foam and maybe 3 tiny little pieces of meat but to me I count that as vomiting. Heavy breathing... and not wanting me to touch him. Looks like he kept what he took this time down but I could see him preparing to start hacking just before he went to hide in the cube. I can go down to a grind if needed for now.
Forgot to say we have rain right now, just some nice sprinkling. Sorry, my mind is running around so much right now.
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Post by LindaM on Jan 22, 2018 20:01:50 GMT -5
Right now, does he let you touch him at all? Can you see if he has any ouchies in his mouth that may bother him with eating? Also, and very importantly, do you think he may have gotten into something and eaten that he shouldn't have? Any damaged items, toys or bedding that could risk blockage?
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Post by lycorisousa on Jan 22, 2018 20:11:19 GMT -5
Right now, does he let you touch him at all? Can you see if he has any ouchies in his mouth that may bother him with eating? Also, and very importantly, do you think he may have gotten into something and eaten that he shouldn't have? Any damaged items, toys or bedding that could risk blockage? He lets me hold him and then he wants to be let go after a moment. Normally he's just melts into my arms. I didn't see anything in his mouth but he fought me a little on that. I don't see any damaged bedding or toys. He does have a rice dig box would that cause a block if he ate it? I would say he's having an off day but that poop just makes me nervous.
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Post by LindaM on Jan 22, 2018 20:13:24 GMT -5
What kind of rice are you using in it? Rice boxes are usually fine as long as you do not use instant/quick cook rice.
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Post by lycorisousa on Jan 22, 2018 20:21:07 GMT -5
Regular long grain rice.
He is up and running around playing with my dog, Arioch is snuggled up next to me sleeping.
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Post by LindaM on Jan 22, 2018 20:45:20 GMT -5
Rice should be just fine then. I'd go ahead and just keep an eye on him for now. The hacking could've been from him eating too fast. The weather could easily be why he is being more lazy than usual.
Odd poops aren't uncommon when switching. These are usually detox poops and can go easily 4-6 weeks before getting better. New proteins can cause odd poops at first too.
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Post by lycorisousa on Jan 22, 2018 20:53:37 GMT -5
I'll keep an eye on him, hopefully it is just a strange poop from transitioning and the weather. And he's out
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Post by LindaM on Jan 23, 2018 1:41:01 GMT -5
Poor wee darling! All tuckered out. Now, I had been in the car for your earlier post when I responded, and I can't quite remember if we'd covered it before or not, so I'm just going to mention it again. And please do not take it the wrong way or let it anger you, since we only ever advise what we feel is the best and safest for your ferret's wellbeing. We do not recommend or condone any ferret and dog play interactions at all. The reason for this is simple, accidents happen. It doesn't matter how incredibly trained your dog might be, or how sweet either they or your ferret are. Accidents can happen faster than we can ever hope to react, and all too often it ends up being too late. There are honestly times where the dog and ferret might even have been best of friends, and it IS an accident where the other animal may feel true remorse, but it would be too late. All it takes is a snap, a paw swipe, a step or even a stumble and fall on your ferret. Ferrets aren't wholly innocent all the time either, they can rip open the jugular on a dog, and we all know ferret's may often tease and tease until they get a reaction. Which might end up being fatal, and for that reason, we simply cannot condone ferrets and dogs being playmates with one another.
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Post by lycorisousa on Jan 23, 2018 8:42:27 GMT -5
I understand that completely, most of the time the dogs are put away when the ferrets are out since we had an incident with my doxie last month while I wasn't home. Got a call saying that he had attacked Arioch for no reason asked if they were sure she didn't instigate it, after making sure she was okay, he's blind but he always gives warnings that he is annoyed. Which I'm sure she did because Arioch likes to start things. My corgi was out this time because the ferrets seemed have wanted to be in their bed last night. This isn't a normal interaction case, it's even gotten to the point where I won't let my roommate have her cats out when the ferrets are loose because Arioch chases them and couple of nights ago a cat was on the couch and Arioch gets up on the couch and sits next to the cat and the cat takes a swipe at her. She was okay. Bigger animals around them make me nervous.
Orion is up and playing around with Arioch today, he hogged all the egg from her when we gave them one last night. They seemed hungry but only wanted to play much better compared to last night.
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Post by LindaM on Jan 24, 2018 15:10:23 GMT -5
How are little Arioch and Orion doing today? How have they been eating, any issues at all? Have you tried anything new with them?
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Post by lycorisousa on Jan 24, 2018 17:41:11 GMT -5
They seem to be doing well we played with them last night and they were really engaged with us chasing and dooking after us. Orion spent most of his morning play time eating. W
My dad did bring over his dog and it's a little doxie also but he has this need to take care of things he sees as babies. When they are in the cage he just sits and barks and cries at them. I purchased a privacy cover for the cage but noticed Arioch chewing a lot. Not sure if she's stressed from being bothered all the time but we will be moving the cage into my room so they have more privacy while he's here. I hate having that cover over their cage but have it set up so it's only the top part being the one covered.
Managed to get some gator meat they didn't have any issues with that, I am looking into possibly getting some whole rabbits from hare-today but wasn't sure what size to get for them. Pay day is tomorrow come Friday I'll be at the Asian market seeing what they have.
Looking at the chart you gave me I'm looking at maybe 3 to 4 whole prey meals a week. Wasn't sure when it came to the organ meal if that needed to have heart in it also or just liver and one other organ.
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Post by LindaM on Jan 24, 2018 18:51:25 GMT -5
Glad to hear they are doing alright!
Cage covers are actually great, technically it makes them a very private and cosy nest. My ferrets have their own bedroom to themselves, but my dual FN double cages STILL have curtains on them to make it dark and private for them. The barking and whining could be upsetting the ferrets some, you're right on that.
I'd hold off on the bunnies for until after you had a look at the Asian market, they sometimes have rabbits for cheaper. Then if they do not, you can always get from Hare Today.
I think there's still an issue on the chart with 3 alt meals, so let's go with 4 Whole Prey meals, looking at the chart it lists 1 heart meal, and 1 organ meal, 1 muscle meal, and 7 bone-in meals. So you'll have a full meal of hearts, and then a full meal of organs (half liver+half other).
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Post by lycorisousa on Jan 24, 2018 19:29:28 GMT -5
I am trying to get into a bigger house goal will be for them to have their own room once that happens. Arioch is hiding more in the top part that is more shaded out to sleep while Orion hangs out in the opened bottom. I guess I was more worried about ventilation over all. Arioch is sleeping deeper now I actually have to wake her up instead of just opening the door.
The plan was to order from hare-today after seeing what the Asian market had. They did have this shop online option where you could pick things up but I was there last month and know a lot of selections meat wise were missing. I did manage to find two more Asian markets that are closer to me that I will check out.
I did cut back on their meals also. I will make a post once I have some new meat for them to try. I'm excited to add more things for them especially since Arioch is adorable and licks the food then licks her lips while bobbing her head.
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