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Post by Gg on Feb 16, 2018 12:48:01 GMT -5
I tried the salmon oil on his feet and it worked! I’ve been giving him more salmon oil daily as well and his fur is becoming softer  ! We’re running into an issue where the boys won’t eat though. For a minute I thought maybe the heart was old so I went and got new heart but there still trying to fight me and the mix for this batch was 8 ounces of chicken, 3 ounces of lamb, three chk hearts, 1/3 liver and the other percentage of organ was brain. Which is the same recipe we were using last week and they loved it. This has been going on for three days now and I’ve tried switching everything out for new stuff except the liver but even when the liver gets old and smells corny, they still eat the soup. They won’t even take the chicken wings and their poops are getting small from not eating their usual amount. Should I try adding egg told on top for some coaxing or would the yolk make their little nutrients they’re getting pass too soon? I can only get about maybe 3 spoon fulls in them before they try jumping out of my lap but funny enough, Momo eats the soup out of the palm of my hand more than he would the spoon I use! I’m going to try using another feeding method for them like another spoon shape maybe.. |
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Post by FireAngel on Feb 16, 2018 20:39:35 GMT -5
Trying a different shape might help yes, you could also try holding the bowl and one of them on your lap, sticking your finger in the soup and leading them to the bowl. This works sometimes with Loki. He is my one with insuloma and often has very little appetite so it takes a lot of encouraging sometimes to get him to eat.
Are they eating slivers yet or still mush?
If the egg is scrambled it should not make it pass too quickly and if you are splitting one egg over 2 days or 4 meals it should be fine.
Another trick is to use the salmon oil on top of the food to entice them.
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Post by Gg on Feb 17, 2018 20:54:18 GMT -5
So I tried the spoon switch and that didn't help. I started adding more water to the soup and appa will eat it up but Momo will only have about two spoonfuls then run away. His poops are bigger and Appas are perfect now but I'm worried now that Momo has something going on with him.
We definitely backtracked with getting to solids too but they're still eating the chicken wings everyday and they take them willingly. Is it possible to keep them on a soup diet for the rest of their time and give them bones to still crunch on like chicken wings and quail limbs?
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Post by Gg on Feb 21, 2018 15:13:00 GMT -5
I know you must be busy but here's an update - we definitely took a few steps back. So we're at watered down soup (so it slides around the bowl pretty easily- but that's the only way they'll eat the soup so far) with some nail clipping sizes of slivers and I got them quail limbs to use as the spoons. The good thing this round is that they eat the slivers, no problem, and the quail wings get eaten all the way I know doing this isn't the most ideal diet for them but once we get to the oatmeal consistency again in soup and if they don't eat it, is it possible to keep them at this watery soup stage and the only bone in they get is quail limbs and chicken wings with some slivers of organs? Momo is such a spoiled prince, the only way i can get him to eat is if I wrap him in a blanket, make him a bib (since he doesnt like his chin getting wet *eyeroll*) and bring him the bowl of soup. lol  |
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Post by FireAngel on Feb 24, 2018 22:47:58 GMT -5
First of all lets just address how freaking adorable that is!  Ok I have recovered now from the cuteness overload, a soup diet is not ideal long term, poops that are too soft for too long can cause some really irritated bums. If they are eating the chicken wings and the quail wings maybe just try small pieces of meats . If you think they are only eating the bone in meals because they are covered in soup then you could try using the soup like gravy.. I have high hopes for a full transition because of them eating the bones. We just have to figure out how to get them to eat the in between stages now lol |
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Post by Gg on Feb 28, 2018 13:12:48 GMT -5
Haha Cute and he knows it!
Okay, the idea of gravy over the bone in sounds like something we can work with. It seems that they're getting tired of the quail and chicken wings. Are frog legs about the same size as quail wings, do you know?
And the sardines...could I try that as their spoon? If so, should I get the dehydrated ones or the 'fresh' ones from a can?
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Post by FireAngel on Feb 28, 2018 21:26:39 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes and yes to all of it!
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Post by Gg on Mar 1, 2018 1:13:18 GMT -5
okay sweet! We'll try it!
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Post by FireAngel on Mar 1, 2018 21:23:28 GMT -5
Great can't wait to hear how it goes!
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Post by Gg on Mar 10, 2018 22:53:01 GMT -5
I got vital essentials salmon bites and they didn’t like it so it goes to the dog! Lao got the minnows and will try that when it’s delivered |
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Post by FireAngel on Mar 12, 2018 11:33:59 GMT -5
Mine don't like those salmon bites either, odd considering they do love salmon. Those minnows though they love. How are they doing with everything else?
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Post by Gg on Mar 15, 2018 8:12:46 GMT -5
Haha picky children  I didnt get to try the minnows yet since someone decided to jump on the counter to get the treats  So we reordered them! lol I've been giving them their soup with big chunks of quail thigh in it which I think they accept better cause it's softer. Momo will only eat the soup if it's small pieces of meat and not many of them but he'll eat a whole quail wing with no issues. which leads me to my next question... He doesn't seem interested in soup anymore but takes really well to the wings. I don't want to only feed him wings if hes not getting soup with the rest of the ingredients so should I try to start feeding him chunks of organ and meat now? What should I start with if so and do I need to adjust the ingredients in the soup now if he's getting more bone in the wings now? I noticed his poops were chalkier than Appas so I'm hoping I'm still doing this right! I'm worried he isn't feeling well since he's not really eating so we're going to be seeing his favourite doctor soon just to be safe but I'm hoping it's something as simple as getting his tummy on a solid diet since he's more ready than Appa. Plus we started this diet switch in late october so we're at the 6 month mark now  Appa on the other hand will eat the big chunks of quail with no issues. I'm going to cut up chicken thigh and see if he'll take that. He didn't like it before but now that he's used to chewing I'm hoping he's ready to level up! He'll eat the wings but with hesitation! That's the m-o! I hope all is well over there! |
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Post by FireAngel on Mar 16, 2018 16:17:59 GMT -5
Yes I think it would be great to try chunks of meat and organ now. You should set up a menu that is only frankenprey and use that for the week. Keep soup on hand so if you feel like you need to supplement you can. You should have 1.5 organ meals 1.5 heart meal and 7-9 bone in meals with the rest being muscle meals. Can't wait to see how it goes!
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Post by Gg on Mar 16, 2018 16:27:45 GMT -5
What would you suggest be the edible bone in meat? Momos been eating quail wings but for some reason he's fighting me on eating anything. :/
If he does eat the meat but not the bone, should I have him eat some soup for the bonemeal or sprinkle some on the meat?
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Post by FireAngel on Mar 16, 2018 20:27:24 GMT -5
Frog legs, chicken wing tips and the wing itself can be spilt into two pieces. Have you given any thought to whole prey?
The chart you were asking about in the other post can be very confusing to look at all at one time. If you can print it out and look at it line by line it may make more sense and be less overwhelming. The first number on each line is how many whole prey or complete meals you are planning on feeding that week. So a meal of complete grinds or Stella and chewys for for example are considered complete meals and would change the balance of the franken prey portion of the menu. I hope that helped and did not make it more confusing!
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