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Post by Sherry on Jul 31, 2018 8:32:57 GMT -5
If you like you can move him to commercial raw grinds, and keep her on frankenprey. He will need a minimum 3 proteins a week in rotation. Would you please post her menu?
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Post by Gg on Jul 31, 2018 23:36:14 GMT -5
For Appas commercial grinds, do I add in bone meal? She hasnt quite switched to solids completely, I've been putting a mixture of all liver, heart and protein chunks in her bowl and top it with soup and I help her eat each part so it doesnt go unbalanced. But now we'll go ahead and do it separately. How much should I leave out for her too with the solids? She seems to eat the soup every hour but just a couple licks. Where do chicken feet lie in the chart? would those be a snack?
Monday am: edible bone in meat- Quail legs, chicken wings, chicken or turkey necks (should I throw in breast chunks for the less meatier wings?) Monday pm: edible bone in meat (or muscle)- Same as above
Tuesday am: edible bone in meat- Quail legs, chicken wings, chicken or turkey necks Tuesday pm: muscle meat - chicken/beef/lamb thigh
Wednesday am: edible bone in meat- Quail legs, chicken wings, chicken or turkey necks Wednesday pm: heart
Thursday am: edible bone in meat- Quail legs, chicken wings, chicken or turkey necks Thursday pm: edible bone in meat (or muscle)** - either option of whats listed above depending on the poops
Friday am: edible bone in meat - Quail legs, chicken wings, chicken or turkey necks Friday pm: ½ heart + ¼ liver + ¼ other organ - other organ can be beef liver, kidney, brain and would Gizzrd lie in this category?
Saturday am: edible bone in meat - Quail legs, chicken wings, chicken or turkey necks Saturday pm: muscle meat - any beef, pork, poultry protein which is usually the thigh that I pick up. Sunday am: edible bone in meat - Quail legs, chicken wings, chicken or turkey necks Sunday pm: ½ liver + ½ other organ - other organ can be beef liver, kidney, brain
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Post by Sherry on Aug 1, 2018 9:59:58 GMT -5
For the commercial grinds, no. They should be balanced with meat/bone/organ already. For her, let's get her on a weekly balanced diet. So for one meal she'll get chicken wings and that's it. For the next beef chunks, etc. Also for your menu would you break it down a bit more for me? Having quail, chicken wings, chicken(what part?) and turkey necks is great, unless they get quail and turkey neck one meal each a week and the rest is all chicken In other words how often do they get each of those? To answer the other questions. No, no need to add breast chunks to less meaty bones. The only time you would do this is with something like chicken feet which is basically nothing but bone. As for "other organ", beef liver is liver. Not other organ. So you can switch out whatever liver you are mainly feeding by beef liver at times. The "other" organ would be the kidney or brain you mentioned. And gizzards are muscle meats Other suggestions for muscle meats are pork , turkey chunks(I often buy wings/thighs and cut the meat away), or even goat if you can get it.
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Post by Gg on Aug 1, 2018 20:06:22 GMT -5
Oh haha that makes sense ^_^' Okay here's a better version Monday am: Chicken wings Monday pm: If loose poop then quail/chicken wings but if poop are too firm then muscle chunks. (Right? Can I give frog legs here too?)
Tuesday am: Chicken wing Tuesday pm: turkey thigh
Wednesday am: Quail legs or wings Wednesday pm: Heart
Thursday am: Chicken wings (do I leave the meat on it? and what if she isn't eating enough of the bone?) Thursday pm: pork riblets if she'll eat it! If not then turkey neck
Friday am: chicken wing Friday pm: 1/2 heart + 1/4 chicken liver (is this 1/4 the total meal or of the chicken liver?) + 1/4 beef kidney
Saturday am: turkey neck Saturday pm: Chicken breast
Sunday am: quail legs or wings Sunday pm: 1/2 chicken liver + 1/2 beef kidney
With Jambi only eating these solid foods each day, I'm not supposed to give her soup, right? and if so, should I take away the soup so she cant get to it and give appa his meals twice a day.. and how many grams should he be eating a day if that's the case? And also how many grams per meal should she be eating as well? She can eat alot of muscle meat if I let her.
When you say commercial grinds, does that mean the meat patties you can get at the store?
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Post by Sherry on Aug 2, 2018 9:45:08 GMT -5
No soup correct. Unless you want to give it as a meal every couple of weeks. For amounts, she should have enough so that there is only one or two small pieces by next meal time. I'd start Appa on a couple ounce a meal and work up or down from there. And yes, feed him twice a day. If he gets hungry he can always snack on whole meat
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Post by Gg on Aug 2, 2018 11:28:05 GMT -5
Perfect! We'll try this menu and I'll let you know how it goes And for Appas food, grinds like this is alright to feed him? imgur.com/a/N8e2WSKAlso, is the measurements for friday pm and sunday pm supposed to be based of the entire meal or just a fraction of the organ/heart? I feel this might be a dumb Q considering how much she's going to eat and 1/2 heart wont fill her up! But I read too much heart isn't good either, so I thought I'd ask!
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Post by Sherry on Aug 3, 2018 9:25:44 GMT -5
I would need to see the ingredients list. Um, not sure what you mean? She should be getting half her meal of heart, NOT half a heart. Same for liver etc. Half the meal should be liver/other organ, NOT half a liver.
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Post by Gg on Aug 3, 2018 21:58:22 GMT -5
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Post by Sherry on Aug 4, 2018 10:28:56 GMT -5
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Post by Gg on Aug 4, 2018 15:06:05 GMT -5
I’m so grateful for your help!! Thank you sherry! I’ll keep you updated
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Post by Gg on Aug 11, 2018 15:26:23 GMT -5
So we’re done with our first weeks menu! Jambi did great with all of her meals but I noticed halfway through the week she started getting sick of chicken wings only! I’ll cut back on those for now and get her some quail wings to mix it up but she’s already a sassy girl! I got frog legs but it’s huge like a chicken leg. Would I feed it to her as bone in or meat meal? She eats half of her bone in meal and hides the other half then looks around for the soup.. which I put up and feed the two separately. If she doesn’t want the wings should I offer another bone in or hold out and make her eat it? I just got the raw grinds from Darwin’s pet food! We’ll be trying our first sessions with that tonight with Appa
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Post by Sherry on Aug 12, 2018 10:01:18 GMT -5
Okay, time to remove the soup for her entirely. Her appetite may be slowing down as well. Also, can you get any other bone in? Chicken necks, duck necks, rabbit, mice, etc? It would be a good idea to get some beef or other red meat in there at least once a week.
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Post by Gg on Aug 13, 2018 13:18:16 GMT -5
Oh yeah she's been off soup other than just a gravy coat on her meals. Should I stop doing that? I have pinkies but I heard those are just snacks, right? Her poops seem a little watery. I take away all of the food during my work shifts including the bone in because I'm getting ants all over. I'm hoping they both get into the breakfast-snack-dinner routine (minus snacktime for appa) and taking her food away seemed like it would help her understand the schedule but these runny poops are kind of worrying me. Is that from the diet transition still?
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Post by Gg on Aug 14, 2018 2:00:28 GMT -5
So when I got home from my 8 hour shift today, I caught her eating a hidden uncooked pinto bean from her bean pit thats in the play room. I dont keep the pit in mine because I was worried they would choke on them being curious but she was actually eating the bean! She was also so nice and gave me kisses as soon as I came home, when usually she bites! (trying to fix that also so I like to call them love bites for the time being - Now I understand that maybe she feels I'm disciplining her for being bad for something? She hasn't bitten me all evening.) SO I immediately gave her salmon oil and pumpkin just in case and searched my room for any more loose beans. And then offered her dinner which is but up beef. She ate maybe 4 small pieces then started hiding the rest in her normal spot so I left out the rest for her to eat whenever tonight but it's been 3 hours and she hasn't touched anything and will keep looking at the same spot I set the soup down when she was on soup. I'm not sure what to do at this point but give her the soup. I even tried coating her meal with the very small and watered down dab of soup as a last resort and she only licks it off and hides the chunk again. I know she's hungry so it's not her metabolism slowing down unless 4 half inch slivers are filling.
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Post by Sherry on Aug 14, 2018 9:13:28 GMT -5
Might be an idea to only use that pit under supervision, because it is a risk if the beans are eaten. And having scheduled feedings for them is fine, as long as they have a good hour to eat during those times. But it sounds like Jambi needs a LOT more bone in her diet than she's getting. As for pinkies they are only snacks. I'll give once ever two or three weeks. What you'd want is adult mice. Although starting with pinkies and working up quickly through the sizes can get them used to it.
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