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Post by Sherry on Oct 1, 2017 7:40:59 GMT -5
Yay Peter!!! Still low, but doing better :-) For the boys, how are they doing with the chunks again? What size now?
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Oct 1, 2017 8:46:18 GMT -5
Another rough night for Peter. I don't know if it's pain, low BG, or what. Constant "shivering". He did start to go through the crash phase, karo and lots of food. He didn't eat much through the day but lots last night. But there constant shivering. He's done it all along to some degree but worse last night. I gave him buprinex, but no change. I don't think I went to bed until about 3:30, and as I got under the covers I heard him finally getting into his bed. Mike said he was doing the shivering this morning again, and thought he was cold as he had shoved his blanket off. I just don't know :-(
The boys are getting big pieces, depending on what I offer. Bone in stuff, I have barely been cutting up. I make sure it's in an even number of pieces for them, and hand it over. Their pieces average "chicken wing" size and occasionally bulkier, but no larger than say, a Rubik's cube. Muscle only, chunks about the size of your average Lego piece. I've been doing their organs smaller, thumb nail size or less. I really need to figure out how to blend those.
Yesterday was a busy day and I didn't note breakfast. Chicken wings for dinner for weasels. The cat puked up a hairball earlier in the afternoon. She got pork for dinner. That reappeared within 20 minutes. No hair in the glob of it, I looked.
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Oct 1, 2017 8:48:05 GMT -5
Yay Peter!!! Still low, but doing better :-) For the boys, how are they doing with the chunks again? What size now? I'll take the 50s! That was the second reading in a week over 30 lol. But he's always trended pretty lower than you'd like to see. He can function normally, and well, in the 50s and 60s. He's an oddball.
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Post by Sherry on Oct 2, 2017 7:43:59 GMT -5
Has he had a recent xray done by the vet? That shivering does sound like it could be pain related. Poor boy. And poor YOU. With the boys, let's get them on a balanced frankenprey menu then so they are good. How many proteins can you access? How do they do with heart now? With the organs, you do what you need to do to get it into them lol. Kitty? I got no answers on that :/
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Oct 2, 2017 13:05:12 GMT -5
Has he had a recent xray done by the vet? That shivering does sound like it could be pain related. Poor boy. And poor YOU. With the boys, let's get them on a balanced frankenprey menu then so they are good. How many proteins can you access? How do they do with heart now? With the organs, you do what you need to do to get it into them lol. Kitty? I got no answers on that :/ No, we've never done xrays. The plan is to increase and use the buprinex consistently and see if it helps, and I had her give him injectable antibiotics today. He really needs carafate because I'm guessing ulcers? Poop a little funny again and trending towards that. But, I cannot get the carafate or oral abx in at this point. Getting his insu meds in is barely possible. He's still active the last 24 hours, he's at work with me upside down snoring right now! I picked up some duck and chicken S&C and that's been making him happy these last 3 feedings but I'm prepared to swap to something else next time hahaha. If the pain meds don't work to control/improve this, though, we'll be setting him free. I cannot ask him to endure that. I'm going to put together a Hare Today order and it will either ship tomorrow or next Monday if I missed the cut off. I can get lots of stuff from there. I was gonna do some boneless stuff, and bone-in as well. Did you see the link I posted to those dehydrated sticks? Do you think those would be appropriate as "snacks"? Sammy is driving me nuts with the chewing. The heart is iffy. Sometimes good, sometimes I find it on my nightstand lol. Mike's family lives next door and is away for a week maybe I should steal their blender!! Kitty is killing me. Pork from last night stayed down. Breakfast this morning was apparently a mouse at 4am, she was kind enough to wake me up to show me what she caught. Good morning...lol.
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Oct 2, 2017 20:11:59 GMT -5
I'll try to get weights by Wednesday and a log. Too much going on these few days. Went to see Evita yesterday at the theater, fair this evening, and weird shift then family dinner tomorrow. I'm wiped!
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Post by Sherry on Oct 3, 2017 9:20:49 GMT -5
I gather the vet hasn't felt any abdominal masses then, which is good. One of my girls we found out had a rather large one when she shivered all the time, so we went to have it checked.
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Oct 3, 2017 9:39:49 GMT -5
:-( no, no masses felt. Sometimes a bit bloaty feeling but no masses and usually no resistance or discomfort on palpation. He's with me daily at work and at least weekly one of the doctors looks at him, and not always his primary and they all say the same thing. I went to work early today thinking I needed to, I didnt..lol. But I left him there, tech gonna give him a cocktail of goodies as he seems painful again this morning. He did eat well but hid after, and was very shaky when we got to work even though he ate. Hopefully the meds help him feel a bit better. I'm going to attempt to start oral antibiotics to compliment the injectable and see how it does, because we are getting those nasty poops.
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Post by Sherry on Oct 3, 2017 9:42:35 GMT -5
That is good to hear TBH the first thing I thought of when you mentioned the constant shivering was a mass. Hopefully something works for the poor lad. But rest assured, you are doing everything you should be, or could do.
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Oct 3, 2017 10:04:07 GMT -5
I'm sure there's one somewhere. He's a ferret, after all. I suppose I could have them pop him on the xray table, but...it wouldnt change anything in what we're doing.
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Post by Sherry on Oct 4, 2017 9:27:21 GMT -5
And that being the case not woth putting him though generally. If he keeps the constant shivering going though it is something to consider.
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Oct 4, 2017 9:46:58 GMT -5
His evening dose of burpinex seems to have kicked it in the butt last night. A little shivery this morning but "normal" for him, which sounds bad but NOTHING like the extreme "phased out" pain yesterday. Yesterday and today he's been eating his food on his own, without holding or prompting. He was just looking around FOR his food just now and eagerly went to the bowl when I set him near it. Oral amoxi last night and this morning (AND he licked it off the syringe, this morning- hasn't done THAT in months). If I can get the amoxi into him that easily, then great and I won't need to piggy back the polyflex. Which, at $14 a pop, I'd be happy to get rid of. He's off doing his thing just now, but this morning he was bright eyed, ate some of his little cookies before pottying, then was happy to come out and I think he was looking for his breakfast at that point because he did a lap around the house and ended up going back to bed (hey, jeez buddy, I just woke up too!).
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Oct 4, 2017 9:49:06 GMT -5
I'm very conflicted, you know? I don't want him in pain. But if it's something that a few rounds of meds can get him over, I don't want to throw in the towel on him in that sense. Because clinically, he's doing mostly fantastic. It's just that aspect that keeps getting him. But he's eating, he's active, he's interested. I just don't know.
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Post by hiddenstars826 on Oct 4, 2017 9:54:28 GMT -5
I just interrupted his bath...OOPS. I poked over to see where he was and had to just stop and watch for a second. I LOVE when he is having grooming time. It's just so adorable and so "him". I don't know. Maybe I'll have them take a quick film just to see. A mass should most likely show up, right? I guess at the very least, it will tell me if the pain is something we may beat vs a giant mass causing it and that right there is the answer to the constant question.
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Post by Sherry on Oct 4, 2017 9:58:23 GMT -5
Believe me after this many years I get exactly what you are talking about. My rule of thumb is that if they still want to fight- I will fight for them. Until the point where I know they are just fighting to stay for me. There is a difference and you will likely know it. Last one was one of those. If I offered her food she would eat well, but could only eat puree due to a facial tumour. We had originally though she had a massive abscess and had surgery done to clean it out so the abx could finally start working. Vet found a tumour in and around the abscess and we let her go then and there.
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