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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:58:37 GMT -5
Hello😀 I am sure somebody before me asked the same question, so I apologize if I repeat it
RAW SOUPIES... please someone tell me if I do it right
•8oz chicken thigh + 2 chicken hearts + 1oz chicken liver + 1/2tsp bone meal
•8oz turkey thigh + 2 chicken hearts +1oz beef liver + 1/2tsp bone meal
I made those 2 kinds for a week (Monday I'll go look for butcher shops)
Is that ok to feed meanwhile?
I also found turkey gizzard- is it organ meat or muscle meat?
Also should I give them once a week a meal of just hearts, is that correct?
Can I also use ground meat(turkey, chicken)?
Thank you!
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Post by raynebc on Aug 30, 2017 15:32:44 GMT -5
hearts vary in size and shape, the most consistent way to use them is by weighing them. For the soup recipe, it would be 1 ounce of heart. Otherwise, the muscle meat (chicken/turkey/etc) is pretty much interchangeable for the sake of introducing different proteins to your ferrets. You can definitely use the soup to get your ferrets used to a raw diet while you source providers for enough meat to make a permanent menu. For the most part, you should be able to use any human-grade ground meat for the soup, just avoid anything that has added seasoning, preservatives, etc.
Gizzard would count as a muscle meat.
Hearts should be about 10% of their entire diet. Assuming 2 meals per day, just round up to 1.5 meals per week being heart. You can decide how you want to work that in with their menu with the liver and "other organ", which each need to be about 5% of the entire diet, ie. about 0.75 meals per week if they get 2 meals per day. I split these three items up into three meals: half heart+half liver, half heart+half kidney, half heart+quarter liver+quarter kidney. Some people prefer not to mix so many things together into a meal in case a ferret is picky and eats too little of one thing. A common remedy for that is to blend heart/liver/organ together into a soup so the ferret can't be choosy about it.
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 30, 2017 16:50:09 GMT -5
zuzipuzi Here is great info about switching and includes soupie recipe.I was going to joke and say your reading assignment for tonight:)) holisticferretforum.com/natural-diet/raw-diet-the-meat-of-the-site/ Personally I would not use ground meat---that is, anything that resembles hamburger meat from grocery store---like ground turkey and ground chicken. But that is me--- maybe Sherry or a mentor can advise you on that. Ice cube trays are good for storing your soupies in. When frozen pop out and store them in a freezer bag. Two hearts generally weigh about an ounce--but you can weigh them. I have an old cheap sunbeam postal scale for weighing meats and ferrets. Everyone advises not to put gizzards in blender--haha---they are tough and there will be a lot of spitting and sputtering going on, and you may tear up ur blender too. Some people feed whole gizzards--I always sliced them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:04:14 GMT -5
Thank you.
So if gizzard is muscle meat, can I make a soupie: 8oz turkey gizzard, 1 oz chicken heart, 1 oz beef liver, 1/2tsp bone meal? Is that correct?
Is it even ok to mix different proteins together- or is it better to to separate chicken to chicken, beef to beef, turkey to turkey, pork to pork
Once I find better variety I am sure it will be easier, but for now all I can have access to is whatever is at the grocery store(I make sure there's no seasonings or salt)
They are fed twice a day blended soup- is it enough? How much an adult ferret should consume in one meal?
Also what about chicken/turkey skin? Is it ok if I mix it in soup?
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 30, 2017 17:14:48 GMT -5
this came from forum site
holisticferretforum.com/natural-diet/raw-diet-the-meat-of-the-site/
8oz raw chicken thigh (raw)
1 oz raw chicken liver (or other raw liver)
1-2 raw chicken hearts (approximately 1 oz) or 1 oz other raw heart
½ to ¾ tsp bone meal or crushed egg shell
(air-dry egg shell then crush with mortar and pestle or in a clean coffee grinder)
I would use 2 hearts.
I would not advise putting gizzards in blender---do u have any other meat?
I never pulled skin off when making soupies---however when i am cutting chunks and it is coming off, i do take it off. I guess that is up to you---whatever is simple for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:23:23 GMT -5
this came from forum site holisticferretforum.com/natural-diet/raw-diet-the-meat-of-the-site/ 8oz raw chicken thigh (raw) 1 oz raw chicken liver (or other raw liver) 1-2 raw chicken hearts (approximately 1 oz) or 1 oz other raw heart ½ to ¾ tsp bone meal or crushed egg shell (air-dry egg shell then crush with mortar and pestle or in a clean coffee grinder) I would use 2 hearts. I would not advise putting gizzards in blender---do u have any other meat? That's the recipe I followed 😁 For now I only have chicken thighs (plus liver and hearts), turkey thighs and gizzard, beef liver. I can get pork, Cornish game hen, beef(though they don't like it) |
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 30, 2017 17:26:41 GMT -5
chicken soupies are just fine for transitioning.
Are they eating slivers or chunks of meat?
Also how old are they?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:46:43 GMT -5
chicken soupies are just fine for transitioning. Are they eating slivers or chunks of meat? Also how old are they? No, not yet any slivers- we just started with soupies Well the older 2 ate FDR or frozen Stella & chewy, Vital Essentials. But the 2 new rescues are having hard time with any food since they were fed bird seeds and fruits and some crap like wild harvest Zuzi 7,5 years old Pelmesha about 6 years old And the new babies Umka and Bonifatzi 4,5 years old |
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 30, 2017 17:54:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:03:52 GMT -5
Would you say it's enough for adult ferrets to eat twice a day soupies? They have access to Orijen all day BUT Zuzi kinda doesn't have teeth for that(though occasionally he munches it) and Pelmenello refused Orijen after death of my other ferret (2 months ago) and the newbies don't see it as food anyway lol. I don't even know why I keep bowl out🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 30, 2017 18:03:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:11:30 GMT -5
So will it be fine for them to eat that kind of soupie especially if I get my hands on duck, goose, quail, pork, rabbit for variety? And also once a week meal of just hearts? And eggs as treat And when can I start adding little slivers? |
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 30, 2017 18:23:17 GMT -5
If you are going to feed soupie---you should always put hearts and liver in soupies no matter what protein u use in soupie.
when you get them eating frankenprey---then you can do the 1 meal and 1/2 of hearts during week.
I would not make a beef soupie right now. I would wait until ferrets are eating slivers or chunks and just give beef once a week.
allergic reactions---some ferrets can not eat chicken even:(
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 30, 2017 18:29:39 GMT -5
clarifying----when they eat bone-in meals and chunks then you can do 1 1/2 meals of heart a week
also if u did not know, cornish hen is a chicken. It is a cross between two. So do no consider it a different protein.
You do not want to feed a lot of chicken during week--- once they transition.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:37:01 GMT -5
clarifying----when they eat bone-in meals and chunks then you can do 1 1/2 meals of heart a week Ok so as a conclusion to stick for now to the given proportions and get more variety of protein (except beef) And NOT to give a meal of hearts separately I am a little slow so you have to repeat twice for me😂😄 |
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