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Post by boogerybooger on Feb 25, 2017 1:04:19 GMT -5
waiting for mentor. Have a lot of conversations in thread called How Long in the soupy/puree stage
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Post by boogerybooger on Feb 27, 2017 19:22:51 GMT -5
I think I read this somewhere, but not sure. Sorry if being repetitive but are lamb ribs bones they cannot eat? seems that is my experience this first time.
Also, I have a list of how long meats can stay out, but I did not see organs on the list. How long can organs stay out before going bad?
Thank you!!!
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Post by Sherry on Feb 28, 2017 10:21:41 GMT -5
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Post by boogerybooger on Feb 28, 2017 22:00:50 GMT -5
Thanks, Sherry! I love all this information. Can organs stay out as long as meat chunks?
I'm not sure where i found this on the forum, but it has really helped me. It was something I was able to copy and put in a document for my own use. Just wondering about kidneys and livers and all that great organ stuff.
Thank you!!
Their raw food is safe to leave out! Guidelines:
Soup: 6-8 hours Grinds: 8-12 hours Chunks: 10-24 hours depending on the size (the bigger the chunks, the longer they last) Bone in meats: 12-24 hours, again depending on the size Whole prey: up to 48 hours
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Post by Sherry on Mar 1, 2017 10:12:49 GMT -5
Organs tend to dry a lot faster. Frankly, I still give them as a puree since I know they'll be eaten lol
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Post by LindaM on Mar 1, 2017 12:14:59 GMT -5
Have to agree with Sherry on that. I do my organ meals as tiny cut-up pieces, or also puree on an off day, simply because I do not want them to be dragging off the organs and stashing them in my bedroom instead of eating right away, believe me, nothing can smell like organs, especially on a warm day. Muscle meat might air-dry just fine, without actually rotting, I haven't had quite as pleasant an experience with organs on the other hand.
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Post by boogerybooger on Mar 1, 2017 12:43:19 GMT -5
Sherry and LindaM, Thank you! I never even thought of that-- great idea to make a puree!!!! He loves his hearts so I just assumed he'd like livers and kidneys too- not so much as hearts though. While I'm chatting, when do I start posting about his meals, before or after I get a mentor? Thanks for all the help!
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Post by LindaM on Mar 1, 2017 13:00:30 GMT -5
You can post about your meals on here already, that way people can jump in and help while you're waiting for a mentor.
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Post by boogerybooger on Mar 1, 2017 13:22:40 GMT -5
Thanks, LindaM, 1. Ferret's name:BOOGER 2. Ferret's weight:2.1 lbs 3. Ferret has eaten about 2 ounces amount on average per meal.I'm still determining this 4. Stools on various proteins.pretty good, but still poops out some whole chicken 5. Activity levels: great 6. Weekly menu:so far Sunday am frog legs pm organs liver+kidney Monday am pork riblets and lamb rib pm chicken wing and riblets Tuesday am duck feet and chicken soupy (hadn't found a pee and wanted to be sure- so liquids) pm lamb muscle and pork muscle Wednesday am frog legs (loves them!) pm will be hearts probably duck or chicken Read more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/61/sign-mentoring-program#ixzz4a6C0sdzN
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Post by boogerybooger on Mar 1, 2017 13:33:20 GMT -5
Oh here's another question. I want to try fish but have figured salt-water fish may be too salty. What kind of fish is best to FIRST try since he's never had fish before?
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Post by LindaM on Mar 1, 2017 14:19:43 GMT -5
Well, I'm not gonna be much help on the fish.. I haven't actually given mine frankenprey raw fish yet, they do get Salmon FDR though, but I stick to one meal a week with fish. Fish should be kept to one meal a week, and if you also give fish treats, either pick doing the meal, or the treats for that week. Fish should always be fed in moderation.
I can tell you some of it though, it's not really much to do with salt in the case of salt or fresh water fish. It's more of the size of the fish, small fish absorb less toxins from their diet, while big fish absorb much more.
As for which fish foodies are usually okay; Shrimp, Herring, Salmon, Sardines, Smelt, to name some. Some do Cod, I don't really seek out Cod all that much, though the one FDR bag for my ferrets contains both salmon and cod. Salmon is considered a big fish so contains more toxins than say sardines. Avoid Tuna, it's rather high in mercury.
So the menu up there has been what he has been eating for this week? How bout for the rest of the week until Sunday, what do you plan on feeding?
Hmm, since duck and chicken feet are pretty boney by themselves, I'd add some muscle meat with them, personally. Usually doing just feet and then muscle meat in the evening is okay, but sometimes some constipation can still happen from it. So I'd put some of the evening muscle meats with the feet instead, unless you fear he will for sure just ignore the bone in lieu for the meats. And just keep an eye on how his poops do.
How does he fare on the pork and lamb ribs? Is he eating them, or just taking the meat off?
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Post by boogerybooger on Mar 1, 2017 14:47:20 GMT -5
the lamb he just takes off so can't count the bone. Pork he eats some leaves some. duckfeet- he didn't eat that much of them- didn't touch the webbed foot itself at all. Not sure that is going to be that great for him. He eats quail, frog legs and chicken wings and duck and chicken necks best so far. I do watch his poop and pee every day. As for the rest of the week, haven't planned past his hearts tonight. Thanks so much for your help! open to any suggestions.
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Post by LindaM on Mar 1, 2017 15:08:23 GMT -5
Yeah, those are overall better bone-in options, and enough proteins for it already (even though we all believe, the more variety, the better). Duck, Chicken, Quail and Frog, so 4 proteins there for bone-in. If he's only eating the meat off the bone, it ends up counting like a muscle meat meal instead of bone-in, so check for that, so you don't end up with too few bone-in meals during the week. I'd go ahead and try to set up a menu for the rest of the week, it sounds like he's eating all the basics already, muscle meats, organs, heart, and bone-in. So why not try and set up a proper menu for the week and see how it goes with it? Try setting up a full weekly menu based on this outline: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/146/meat-bone-organ-weekly-menu
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Post by boogerybooger on Mar 1, 2017 16:03:54 GMT -5
Ok, but I'm not a good planner aheader LOL!
this is what I keep on my counter to go by.
oh shoot, I can't paste a screen shot of the beautiful visual learners chart. Anyway it is very clear for me to know what he needs based on that really great color chart. SO glad it was posted-- VERY helpful for me.
I'll be back...
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Post by LindaM on Mar 1, 2017 16:38:14 GMT -5
Haha, watch yourself, that fluffball might turn you into one! Having a full menu makes it easier to see if the correct amount of meals are being given, and also if they are spaced out appropriately. For example, if you do all your bone-in meals in one go at the start of the week, and at the end of the week, do all the muscle and organ meals.. you're gonna have some troubles pop up, like constipation and diarrhea, versus spreading out better, eg. having a bone-in meal after an organ meal will help firm up the yucky organ poops. I actually found a really helpful little fridge planner pad which color codes the day, and has 2 lines per day: Ignore the menu on it, it might confuse you. I do a mixed menu which does Frankenprey, Rehydrated FDR, and Frozen Raw, so it looks very different from the general Frankenprey only menu. Plus it's an older menu I used too. Little planners and things like sticky notes/post-its actually make it easy and fun, but then again, I'm OCD and I LOVE post-it notes and colorful things to help me organize.
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