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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 5:35:44 GMT -5
Ok so I know there has been a lot of talk about Adrenal disease hitting ferrets at much younger ages then it used to, so here are my questions...
If adrenal is starting to hit in younger ferrets, at what age should I have the implant done as a preventative measure and how often would I have to have a new one done?
I know the implant is put in using the same syringe/needle they use to put in mircochips. Does the old one have to be somehow removed or no?
Is there an option between an injection and an implant or no?
How well does the implant actually work when used as a preventative measure?
Forgive me if my questions seem silly. I have asked 2 different vets and have gotten 2 completely different answers. My girls will be turning 1 in July and of course I worry about them.
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Post by LindaM on Jan 20, 2017 6:11:49 GMT -5
The DES implant should get done yearly as prevention, but if your ferret is diagnosed positive for adrenal, then it's done every 6 months. I think the injection one is called Lupron, but by comparison to the DES implant, it's very expensive. I'm gonna tag msav and Heather for this as well, since they helped me with most of my questions on the implants as prevention. Though you might get all you need to know from our conversations about it in this thread: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/22304/preventative-healthcare-ferrets |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 6:27:18 GMT -5
I read through and kind of got the answers I was after. I think I'm just still a tad confused since 2 vets told me 2 different things. It's frustrating :/
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Post by LindaM on Jan 20, 2017 6:33:53 GMT -5
The vets can be a bit of a pain in the butt. Some vets will be very against the implant, especially if the ferret isn't proven to have adrenal already. I've found it more helpful to just talk to experienced ferret owners who have used as a preventative for years, and those who have experience with adrenal ferrets. Then try and find a vet who is open to listening to your points of view.
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Post by Sherry on Jan 20, 2017 11:09:21 GMT -5
If adrenal is starting to hit in younger ferrets, at what age should I have the implant done as a preventative measure and how often would I have to have a new one done?
As soon as possible, preferably about 5 months of age, and yearly thereafter.
I know the implant is put in using the same syringe/needle they use to put in mircochips. Does the old one have to be somehow removed or no?
Different, larger syringe, and no- they do dissolve over time.
Is there an option between an injection and an implant or no?
The only other option does not work on it's own, but does work well in conjunction with either lupron or des. That is melatonin, either oral or implant.
How well does the implant actually work when used as a preventative measure?
It helps to shut down the non stop hormone barrage from the pituitary gland.
q0
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Post by msav on Jan 20, 2017 11:41:27 GMT -5
The reason some vets are against implants for non-adrenal ferret is they are going by the Labeled usage of the implant. It is approved for treatment of Adrenal, Not for prevention of Adrenal. So therefore implanting a ferret not diagnosed Adrenal is prohibited since it is using the implant in a way that was not intended. You would think that the manufacturer would pursue getting it approved for prevention as that would increase their sales exponentially.
I have been implanting my ferrets for about 8 years now. I started when the implanting was experimental and was Part of Dr. Gandolfi's study. The study for the most part ended when there was a lack of supply and some ferrets (including mine) were not able to get their yearly implant. (mine lapsed about 4 months)
That being said not a single one of my implanted ferrets have had adrenal symptoms. My 8 year old Sprite just passed away from a tumor in her spleen. They have all passed from other Ferret illnesses non Adrenal related.
I hope this helps
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 12:48:09 GMT -5
Well looks like I will be getting my 3 the implant as a preventative measure. I just have to find a vet here that will do it. Most of them are a joke. It's extremely frustrating when you trust someone with your fuzzy but they don't want to listen to reason. (headwall)
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Post by Heather on Jan 20, 2017 23:04:24 GMT -5
One of the problems with some vets is admitting they don't know or don't understand is difficult for them. They feel their years of schooling should provide them with the knowledge they need and to have a layman try and explain a new process or treatment doesn't sit well with some. It's a matter of pride, I guess. One of the things I look for in a vet is the ability to communicate and listen and to not dismiss what I've read. I don't have a ferret specific vet, but her ability to listen and explain or to investigate what I question is truly what I appreciate.
ciao
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Post by msav on Jan 20, 2017 23:21:59 GMT -5
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Post by msav on Jan 20, 2017 23:37:52 GMT -5
Well looks like I will be getting my 3 the implant as a preventative measure. I just have to find a vet here that will do it. Most of them are a joke. It's extremely frustrating when you trust someone with your fuzzy but they don't want to listen to reason. (headwall) Here is a vet in Beaverton that will implant your ferrets as preventative northwestexoticpetvet.com/and one in Hillsboro www.hillsborovet.com/services/ferrets-pets/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 18:46:48 GMT -5
Well looks like I will be getting my 3 the implant as a preventative measure. I just have to find a vet here that will do it. Most of them are a joke. It's extremely frustrating when you trust someone with your fuzzy but they don't want to listen to reason. (headwall) Here is a vet in Beaverton that will implant your ferrets as preventative northwestexoticpetvet.com/and one in Hillsboro www.hillsborovet.com/services/ferrets-pets/Yep Katrina is one of my vets. When I spoke to the front office she said maybe depending on how many she had, though I spoke to Katrina and she said she would. The other vet I go to told me something completely different. I hate when they do that |
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Post by unclejoe on Jan 22, 2017 21:04:11 GMT -5
I have been in contact with Dr Mark Finkler DVM <finklerrah@cox.net> a colleague with DR Robert Wagner, et al, in a study on Deslorelin and Gonacon vaccine, and Dr Finkler suggests that deslorelin is better as a preventive than as a treatment. Des has worked well to restore Rosa's coat. Dr Finkler is at www.roanokeanimalhospitalva.com/ Anyone who has a ferret under 1 yo and has not had any hormonal therapy like melatonin may still be able to get on the Gonacon study. You'll have to bring your ferret there 2x a year. They can provide contact info for other vets in the study that may be closer. Gonacon has great promise to prevent adrenal. old implants remain in place no worries |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 21:32:12 GMT -5
I have been in contact with Dr Mark Finkler DVM <finklerrah@cox.net> a colleague with DR Robert Wagner, et al, in a study on Deslorelin and Gonacon vaccine, and Dr Finkler suggests that deslorelin is better as a preventive than as a treatment. Des has worked well to restore Rosa's coat. Dr Finkler is at www.roanokeanimalhospitalva.com/ Anyone who has a ferret under 1 yo and has not had any hormonal therapy like melatonin may still be able to get on the Gonacon study. You'll have to bring your ferret there 2x a year. They can provide contact info for other vets in the study that may be closer. Gonacon has great promise to prevent adrenal. I'm glad you posted this! This is the "hour away" vet I was referring to in the thread about my new baby. Someone I work with now studied under him for a bit. I think I may make an appointment with him  What is this Gonacon study? |
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Post by unclejoe on Jan 22, 2017 21:52:45 GMT -5
I seem to have lost the link to the current study so I would suggest contacting dr finkler.
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Post by msav on Jan 23, 2017 17:49:40 GMT -5
I have been in contact with Dr Mark Finkler DVM <finklerrah@cox.net> a colleague with DR Robert Wagner, et al, in a study on Deslorelin and Gonacon vaccine, and Dr Finkler suggests that deslorelin is better as a preventive than as a treatment. Des has worked well to restore Rosa's coat. Dr Finkler is at www.roanokeanimalhospitalva.com/ Anyone who has a ferret under 1 yo and has not had any hormonal therapy like melatonin may still be able to get on the Gonacon study. You'll have to bring your ferret there 2x a year. They can provide contact info for other vets in the study that may be closer. Gonacon has great promise to prevent adrenal. I'm glad you posted this! This is the "hour away" vet I was referring to in the thread about my new baby. Someone I work with now studied under him for a bit. I think I may make an appointment with him What is this Gonacon study? There is a bit of info on gonacon in this link under vaccination www.ferret.org/pdfs/health/2013Adrenal.pdf |
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