Oh I see!! We're playing catch up! Remember the yellow poops? Thankfully those have subsided.
I'm glad you brought up poop. I don't think Bella pooped much last night or this morning, she was attempting to lick her butt (can't quite reach). She ate with gusto today and played like normal though so I'll check tonight when I get back to see if she was able to go. Tonight is muscle so hopefully she eats just as well and cleans herself out.
I'm getting ready for work now but I will be back tonight with weights (I REMEMBERED!!) And to review my lesson! 😀😀
Please list three organs aside from liver. Kidney, spleen, testicles, uterus, sweetbreads, I think brain as well. ::
Are leaner meats better for your ferret or fattier meats? Fattier :: , although too much fat can be followed by a leaner meal.
In an emergency (you run out of bone), what are 2 acceptable bone substitutes and how much should your ferrets get? (be specific) Bone meal powder or ground eggshells. Recommended doses are 1/2 tsp to 10oz meat but you can adjust based on poops. For us, it's more like 1/2 tsp to 6ozs to achieve somewhat formed poos. Eggshell did not work near as well as bone meal powder, in our experience. ::
What are some good emergency taurine sources if you run out of heart? A taurine powder/supplement for short term, but beef tongue is a great substitute. ::tongue-stick::
Why is cooking meat generally considered inadvisable Cooking destroys micronutrients. ::jaw-drop-floor:: That's why all kibbles have a vitamin pack added after cooking. It may also cause upset tummies if combined with raw in the same meal.
1/17 AM Quail - Bella 71g + a wing (5g), half a leg (6g) & half a spine (6g) - 88g total Moxie 21g + 3/4 wing (3g) & half a spine (6g) - 30g total
PM Turkey w/beef - Between the two, 40g I think the pork I have *may* be tainted. It's from a butcher but they will not eat but a bite tops the two times I've tried it. I'll have to source some other pork and try again. Normally they love it, at least in ground form, and my chopping isn't far off from grinds.
So Bella must be channeling your inner teacher. She's trying to give me hands on experience! I mentioned earlier that it didn't seem like she pooped much overnight. She ate well and played well this morning, yet there still wasn't the amount I've come to expect in the litter box this evening. My BF also pointed out probably the tiniest mucousy poo she left before I got home. I played with them a bit since the pork was a no go and she tried pooping 2 or 3 more times, each with just a little drop of poop.
I switched up dinner because I need her to eat so I can see what comes out tomorrow. I have a theory, lemme run it by you: they don't eat unless it's meal time. At least, most every morning and evening, what was left on the plate is still on the plate. I *think* the mucousy poo is because there is no more food in her body, or at least, enough to trigger but not enough to 'satisfy'. She's not a taster type of ferret, she was mouthy with her new bed for all of 3 seconds. This doesn't really sound like a blockage, does it? What about constipation? Her bum looks ok and she is producing something. I'll get a picture in the morning, I forgot to whip out my camera before I cleaned up.
Follow up to poop: still not what I would expect coming from her, my biggest eater.
She played hard this morning, so did Moxie. They weren't as keen on the parts as normal. I added egg to the quail this morning because Moxie's been hacking a bit and I wanted to see if Bella needs a clean-out. It took them a bit longer to be hungry, but the good news is 90% of what Moxie ate came from the plate, not my fingers. Bella eventually scarfed darn near all of it down ( after Mox was done). I'm not sure what to make of her poops. This one was during play.
There is poo stuck to her butt fur (i cleaned her up) so I KNOW some of what was in the litter box came from her. Could it be she's just digesting most of her food now? I have work again today but I'm going to try to get off early. I'm having the BF check on them when he's done this morning since he'll be home first.
d*mn, I'm turning into one of those helicopter moms! 😂😭
DIET JOURNAL DAY 2 😂 1/18 AM Quail & Egg - Bella + wing (5g) & half leg (6g) Moxie + half wing (3g) & half spine (6g) Overall 136 g + parts between the two. Bella ate twice as much as Moxie (90g vs 45g)
Shortly after breakfast we began blockage protocol, continued for 3 hours until gooey poops appeared, then rest until about 6pm. Dinner was served a little early
PM Organs - Offered 244g blended organs (thick pudding), combined they ate 100g. This is a low range for organs, normally they consume 150 to 200g. Today was different, aside from blockage protocol for constipated Bella, they received more 'out' time in the middle of the day. They honestly seem tuckered as they won't wake up enough to play, only wander around & eat before crawling back to bed. Normal play in the evening goes from 8 to 9 until they crash around 10-11.
I'll be up a bit longer. Should they wake up, I'll convince them to eat a little more but almost 2oz per ferret, especially with the 'odd' day they had, I'm not super worried.
Bella remains closely monitored, we'll see how things go in the morning. I'll offer the quail as planned, though I wonder if I should skip right to the chopped instead of parts considering? I'm substituting chicken thigh, deboned, no bone meal powder instead of chicken wing and ground turkey for tomorrow evenings meal.
Bella woke up around 10, she has a serious desire to sleep in the garage (always cold vs. sometimes warm) so I made her a bed out of a favorite (human) blankie. She stayed there while I cleaned up from dinner. When I went to put her to bed, she started looking frantically for food (she has a very definitive way of telling me she's hungry). Sooo, my sweet, sensitive Belle got dinner in bed. I held the plate while she settled into her hammock. 😂😂 She ate at least another 1.5oz, which is definitely more normal for her.
I did have an epiphany about dinner tonight. You mentioned the same thing about Sealy. Bella was scrunching her face up something fierce and I thought "What? I know it's liver, but c'mon!" and then it hit me....I used beef liver tonight! Must be too... Intense. 😂😂😂 I think I'll go back to chicken liver, I may have to test out the pork liver, see if they like it any better.
Today stunk for weighing things. 😝 1/19 AM Quail - Skipped parts to avoid consumption of all the bone at once. Moxie ate for a minute, maybe a little longer. I would guess 1oz. Bella came back to the plate a couple times. Over the course of an hour she almost finished off the plate (3oz) so I stirred in about 2 oz of turkey. When I got home at 8, it was all gone.
PM Chicken thigh meat - offered about 5 oz chopped thigh meat with a couple tbsp water. I have not weighed an end weight because they have not really eaten. I added a little salmon oil and warmed it to lukewarm, Moxie wouldn't touch it. I did hold her and get her to try it, after which I set her down and she continued to lick the edges of the plate for a second or so. After licking up maybe 10g, she went to bed. Bella ate a little better. She, too, refused right off. She, too, got a little encouragement which she responded to but once she realized I wouldn't be picking any more up, she went to bed.
Chicken is not a super familiar flavor in that I haven't used a lot of it. After ensuring they at least tried it, I left them alone.
I'll weigh the plate in the morning to see if any more was consumed (although I won't be able to tell who did it 😉)
Bella feels much better today. They played hard this evening, got to explore the tiny house, and went for a walk since it's so balmy (50°f). All of this was before dinner but even that didn't promote an appetite. 😕
Post by Aftershock on Jan 20, 2017 11:18:51 GMT -5
Hee hee, beef liver can be such a funny thing, huh? Side note, did you know that rich women back in the Victorian ages used to keep ferrets up their sleeves? You're doing great! Like I said in messenger, you just gotta leave the plate alone since we need to figure out how much they eat on their own. Hand feeding at proteins not used often for the first few bites is acceptable. What do you know of Adrenal and Insulinoma?
I DID know that about ferrets in sleeves. The 'rumour' is they were secret attack animals although I can't imagine them attacking anyone but with their cuteness 😍 It's a good reminder that women will always have something up their sleeves! 😂😂
DIET JOURNAL DAY 4 1/20 AM Quail - Skipped parts today, went right to chopped. Offered 120g, Moxie ate about 15, Bella ate the rest. I refilled the plate with chopped chicken wing and muscle ( 45g), Moxie ate another 15g a couple hours later after a little encouraging. Bella did not eat again.
PM Organs (chicken liver) - Offered 224g, they both ate 100g together, Moxie ate for longer, probably consumed at least 50g. They did not eat anymore overnight.
I've had a busy day, working on more ferrets spaces and cleaning our clutter. I will 100% answer the adrenal/Insulinoma question later tonight. 😘
Bahahahahahaha, I always imagine them doing the spiderman web shooting thing 'Have at thou floof!' 😂😂😂 and the ferret shoots out of their sleeve! Awesome! It sounds like they are doing great eating on their own! Moxie especially is doing great with it! GO MOXIE! Also, a special high five for you in letting them eat on their own! YOU ARE AWESOME KEEP IT UP! Also, if you notice them not eating as much as you offer, example with the organs, feel free to cut down the portion you offer. My three only eat about 170g for organ meals, so them only eating about 100g is great! 😀 😉 cleaning is important, and I am patient❤