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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 23:46:48 GMT -5
We got deer meat today and are going to the market tomorrow to see what we can find
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Post by maja01 on Nov 11, 2016 7:17:06 GMT -5
The poops look quite ok. You have to know, that there will be no uniform poops while on raw and you will se much more variety than while on kibble. I would just keep an eye on Stella's poops. Nothing to worry, would just like to see some continuous pics (because of the little bubbles). It is great that Yara is eating on her own, this is really encouraging! She will soon eat completelety on her own, I am sure. Ok, when you will have all the meat, let me knw what you have got, we will try to make some sort of frankenprey menue
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 21:23:07 GMT -5
We got boneless lamb, a whole duck, 6 whole quail, and pork kidney today. But we are going to order online from now on because it was just as expensive lol
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Post by maja01 on Nov 14, 2016 13:45:51 GMT -5
What of these have you tried allready before and what is new?
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Post by maja01 on Nov 15, 2016 15:31:58 GMT -5
Ok, I wanted to do our first quizz, after that we will try to put together some sort of frankenprey menue.
1. List 3 organs aside from liver. 2. List 3 sources of edible bone. 3. Are gizzards a muscle meat, or an organ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 19:51:15 GMT -5
They haven't tried anything new except the ground deer which they all ate happily 1. Kidney, spleen, brain 2. Chicken wings, rabbit, whole quail 3. Muscle
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 23:21:46 GMT -5
Their poop today....any idea why it looks like this? They had deer soupie last night and turkey soupie this morning pic
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Post by maja01 on Nov 30, 2016 5:31:56 GMT -5
I am sorry for not answering for so long. I was not able to come on the forum. A while ago there was some maintenance br proboards and I tought this is it ... Than I saw that people on FB were actualy being able to log in, so I have to delete all my browser history and cookies. arrrgggh ... So mad I didn't try this before ... Ok, lets go back. - poop: it is probably from to much fat or a lot of connective tissue. - quiz: Exactly! It is very important that the organ part of the diet consist of 1/2 of liver and the other 1/2 must be other organs. As organs counts all organs that do execret something (hormones, enzymes, ...). Except stomach/gizzard which, also execrete enzymes and stomach acid, but in their structure there are more muscles (for all the contraction) than anything else. Beside kidney, spleen, liver, brain there are also testicles, pancreas, thymus, thyroid gland and also green tripe would count in here. Rumen, from which tripe comes from is first of stomachs in ruminants and has a bit different role than the other two. It is not a "real" stomach with stomach acids and so. The structure is not really "organish", but the content adds to it's value. There are lots of different (unharmful) microbes that are good. They do not exactly work as probitics in carnivores - since they are in the rumen of ruminnants to help digest plant matter, but have different benefits. But, most of ferrets wion't touch it because of the (awfull) smell. There is one more exception - the heart. In anatomy of course counts as an organ, but in raw feeding does not. It is a muscle (again, with added value - it contains a lot of taurine). Yup, you are right! As edible counts all chicken, all quail, all rabbit (tough some ferrets, especialy newbies might have problem with the skull, even tough you would half it), turkey necks and first part of the wing, some geese and duck's bone as well. Bones of swine, ruminants, horses, deer are in most cases to big. Some ferrets might chew trough lamb ribs and tail and swine tail, but these are not first bones that come in to mind when talking about edible bones. you are right. I explained above why. You did great! Congrats!!! So how are we doing atm - shall we try to make sort of frankenprey menue with the meat you have?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 19:52:03 GMT -5
Good to see you again We can! we don't have that much pork kidney though
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Post by maja01 on Dec 3, 2016 8:40:49 GMT -5
Ok, so this is how it goes ...
If we have 14 meals per week (2 meals daily), we need: - 7-9 meals of "BONE IN MEAT" meal - 3-4 meals of MUSCLE MEAT (min 1 and 1/2 of these should be heart) - 1 and 1/2 meals of ORGANS (1/2 of these liver, the other half other organs)
As BONE IN MEAT counts any edible bone As MUSCLE MEAT counts all meat, without bone and HEART We defined organs in previous post
Here is an example menue: Monday am: edible bone in meat Monday pm: edible bone in meat (or muscle)
Tuesday am: edible bone in meat Tuesday pm: muscle meat
Wednesday am: edible bone in meat Wednesday pm: heart
Thursday am: edible bone in meat Thursday pm: edible bone in meat (or muscle)
Friday am: edible bone in meat Friday pm: ½ heart + ¼ liver + ¼ other organ
Saturday am: edible bone in meat Saturday pm: muscle meat
Sunday am: edible bone in meat Sunday pm: ½ liver + ½ other organ
I know they don't (yet) really eat bone, we will slowly start to introduce it in few meals per week, as other bone in meat meals we will still use meat chunks with bone meal.
So, try to pop in the ingredients you have (and write what you think they eat and what they won't) and than we will balance and "tune" it together.
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Post by maja01 on Dec 9, 2016 4:23:36 GMT -5
@kelso How are we doing?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 22:43:24 GMT -5
Sorry for my absence! The ferrets are eating chunks with bonemeal. I'll start on a menu but the only bone in we have access to right now is chicken wings so I'm not sure what to do
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 23:13:25 GMT -5
Monday am: duck wings Monday pm: boneless beef
Tuesday am: chicken wings Tuesday pm: boneless pork
Wednesday am: chicken ribs Wednesday pm: chicken heart
Thursday am: chicken wings Thursday pm: boneless beef
Friday am: CGH Friday pm: ½ chicken heart + ¼ beef liver + ¼ pork kidney
Saturday am: beef with bonemeal? Saturday pm: boneless pork
Sunday am: chicken ribs Sunday pm: ½ beef liver + ½ pork kidney
okay this is all we have access to right now
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Post by maja01 on Dec 19, 2016 12:03:21 GMT -5
Hey. It looks almost perfect ! Just some little fine tunning is needed. CGH - which parts? Meat? Whole grind? We need one more heart meal - replace on of the boneless beef melas with it. And we need at least 2 more meals with bones - add bonemeal to 2 of boneless meals. We will than observe the poops and adjust bone(meal)s according to them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 19:04:20 GMT -5
Monday am: duck wings Monday pm: boneless beef
Tuesday am: chicken wings Tuesday pm: boneless pork with bone meal
Wednesday am: chicken gizzards with bone meal Wednesday pm: chicken heart
Thursday am: chicken wings Thursday pm: boneless beef
Friday am: CGH Friday pm: ½ chicken heart + ¼ beef liver + ¼ pork kidney
Saturday am: chicken heart Saturday pm: boneless pork with bone meal
Sunday am: chicken ribs Sunday pm: ½ beef liver + ½ pork kidney
So there's only one "boneless" meal? and we'd be buying the whole CGH, so can use any/all of it lol
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