Sorry I was MIA yesterday. I've been getting migraines again. Ugh! I cut back on the rabbit and his poop improved. I cut back on the S&C rabbit. Also, Mojo started having mucus bloody poop. I started giving him metronidazole and it has cleared up already. He is already acting better too. His activity level was way down. He just wanted to lay around and do nothing. Today is wedding day so I'll be doing that most of the day. I'll start his log tonight!
Oh! I forgot something in the previous post. What do you want the log to look like? He never acts sick, and his activity is always great. Roscoe is not one to lay around and is always the first one up. That's why this baffles me so.
The log should look like this, Food ate - Any different activity done (went outside or to the vets etc) - Wwhat poop looked like today (may include pictures) - Activity level - Medications given - Supplements given - If Mojo is starting with IBD symptoms also you should probably keep one for him also.
I hope the wedding was wonderful, I'm sorry about your migraine. I get them too, they are aweful.
I do hope you are feeling better! We have concentrated so much on how to food journal and Roscoe that I have not given you any official lessons. I hope to give you one a week until we have gone through them all, then I will give you some quizzes about them. Here is the first one.
Credit to Machan, I literally just copied and pasted her hard work!
Bacteria & The Risks Of Raw Feeding
Carnivores, are built to handle a large amount of bacteria. They are carnivores so it makes sense that they should be able to handle bacteria. Carnivores even contain bacteria in their guts (we call this "gut-flora") . Even us humans, contain bacteria in our guts. Bacteria is everywhere, whether it be good bacteria or bad bacteria. Good bacteria aids digestion and even helps the body in many unique ways. Bad bacteria or even Normal bacteria may cause havoc by becoming overgrown, and begin competing with the good bacteria.
A good example: Air or bubbles in the bowel movements (stool) can mean that there is a gut or flora imbalance and that gas producing bacteria are overgrown and competing with the healthier flora.
For the case of this lesson, I am speaking more on the "negative/bad bacteria" side of things, since that is the main concern that we raw feeders are faced with when it comes to family, vets and so on.
Back onto the topic of ferrets. They can handle a great deal of bacteria when it comes to diet, most are not susceptible to salmonella and efficiently pass it without infection and kibble fed ferrets are even known to shed salmonella in their stools.
A ferrets digestive system is very short (only 3-4 hours) so that leaves no time for the salmonella which needs 12-72 hours, or even e.coli, which needs 3-4 days (72 - 96 hours) to incubate. That makes it highly unlikely that these illnesses would affect the ferret. Its not impossible, just very very very very very very unlikely. If carnivores were not designed for handling a wide range of bacteria, we would be seeing a whole lot more issues not only in animals who are domesticated, but their wild counterparts also.
For more information in regards to Bacteria, I recommend you check out this file from HFF. It is a long read, so you can read it when ever you would like to.
As for humans, the risk is there. When ever you are faced with the concerns about bacteria and raw feeding, its more humans that is the concerns, rather than the animal. However as long as you take simple precautions, it would be highly unlikely that you, or those around you would get sick.
To prevent any bacterial contamination, be sure to thoroughly clean anything that may come into contact with raw foods. Things such as: Shelves, Counter tops, Refrigerators, Freezers, Utensils, Sponges, Towels, etc.
It is especially important to wash all utensils and your hands with soap and hot water after handling one food and before handling another. This helps prevent cross-contamination in which, for example, bacteria in raw meat could be transferred to other foods, such as vegetables. It would be wise to use a different board for cutting different foods such as produce and meat. Wash cutting boards with hot, soapy water after each use; then rinse and air dry or pat dry with fresh paper towels.
Note: Do not use tea-towels or towels for drying as those are perfect for cross contamination and easily spread bacteria from one place to another.
Most raw feeders, feed human grade meat and as we all know already, Human grade meat is less likely to be contaminated with something like salmonella or E.coli than lets say, commercial raw pet food. Not saying it's 100% safe, because it can happen even with human grade, but human grade is a lot safer than pet grade because the handling and inspection of the meat intended for human consumption is a lot more strict.
A majority of the time, commercial raw pet food, is classed as pet grade meat. Forget the "Organic" this or "Human grade" that, If Its commercial pet food, its most likely containing pet grade pet food somewhere in it.
“To date, raw pet foods have not been associated with salmonellosis in humans. ”
According to Dr. Becker, Pet owners have been feeding raw diets to their dogs and cats for decades, yet to date, not one documented case of raw pet food causing illness in humans has been reported.
Interesting! Yes, I have been getting migraines pretty much everyday. Ugh. I talked to my neurologists medical assistant today. He is going to call me back tomorrow. I had an MRI Monday and go to the spine doctor tomorrow for the results. Maybe I've been nervous about that? The Marshalls are still eating their S&C.Roscoe and Toby get S&C rabbit with the duck. Roscoe and Toby get ground rabbit in theirs. 3 Tbsp. Mojo and Zoe get 3 Tbsp. ground chicken mixed with theirs. Max and Chloe eat straight raw. They also get S&C duck. They always have. They love it! Roscoe's poop today was green mucus with some bright red blood in it once. One time just green. All other poop was normal. He's still getting the carafate and prednisone. Mojo is better. I think he just had a bacterial infection. Can I go ahead and switch Mojo and Zoe's protein?
Still getting the migraines but other than that I feel okay. Don't know what is going on with me! Ugh! I have to get injections. I have a compressed disc and a herniated disc. I also have to do physical therapy 2 days a week. Yuck! I'm on my way home from my parents house. After I play with my babies, I will write down everything on Roscoe and post it.
Roscoe's Daily Log: Morning Food: 3 oz. S&C Duck Duck Goose and 1.5 oz S&C Absolutely Rabbit made into a soup 4 Tbsp ground rabbit added (he seems to be doing better with less of the S&C rabbit added) Evening Food: 3 oz. S&C Duck Duck Goose and 1 oz. Absolutely Rabbit made into a soup with 4 Tbsp ground rabbit added Poop:Normal Activity Level: He was very active today this morning and this evening. He was asleep when we left to go to my parents house. Medications Given Today: .2ml Carafate 15 minutes before morning and evening meal. .5ml Prednisone after morning and evening meal No supplements given.
Last Edit: Oct 16, 2016 20:59:33 GMT -5 by rachelc
Roscoe's Daily Log (Monday) Morning Food: Soup - 3.5 oz S&C Duck & 1 oz S&C Rabbit with 4 Tbsp. ground rabbit. Evening Food: Soup - 3.5 oz S&C Duck & 1 oz S&C Rabbit with 4 Tbsp. ground rabbit. Poop: A few were green with a little mucus in it. The rest was normal. Activity Level: Active Medications Given: .2ml Carafate 15 minutes before morning and evening meal and .5ml Prednisone after morning and evening meal. No supplements given.
Roscoe's Daily Log (Tuesday) Morning Food: Soup - 3.5 oz S&C duck and 1 oz rabbit with 4 Tbsp ground rabbit Evening Food: 3.5 oz S&C duck and 1 oz S&C Rabbit with 1.5 Tbsp ground rabbit organs (they actually ate it...YAY) Poop: Normal Activity Level: Very active today. Medications Given: .2ml Carafate 15 minutes before morning and evening meal. .5ml Prednisone after morning & evening meal. No supplements given.
Other ferrets... Mojo and Zoe got duck gizzards chopped up and mixed in with their S&C tonight. They ate it. I didn't mix a lot. I mixed one. Max and Chloe ate quail tonight and duck gizzards. I didn't chop them up and they ate them. Max and Chloe are not a problem.
Roscoe's Daily Log (Wednesday) Morning: 3 oz S&C Duck & 1.5 oz S&C Rabbit mixed with 4 Tbsp ground rabbit. Evening: 3 oz S&C Duck & 1.5 oz S&C Rabbit with 4 Tbsp ground rabbit. I also chopped up 2 duck hearts and put in there. Poop: Normal Activity Level: Active Medication: .2ml Carafate before morning and evening meal. .5 ml prednisone after morning and evening meal. No supplements.
Roscoe's Daily Log (Thursday) Morning: 3 oz S&C duck and 1 oz S&C Rabbit with 4 Tbsp ground rabbit. Evening: 3.5 oz S&C duck and 1.5 oz S&C Rabbit with 4 Tbsp ground rabbit. Poop: Normal this morning. He had one bowel movement that was yellow mucus. Activity level: Active Medication: .2ml Carafate before morning meal (forgot to give it to him before evening meal). .5ml Prednisone after morning and evening meal. No supplements.