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Post by Aftershock on Jul 23, 2016 7:10:23 GMT -5
I hate moving too. My ex husband used to make me move all of the time! The rabbit was supposed to be a month out from the 19th, I assume that's because the guy is breeding them as show rabbits and needs to see what they actually look like.
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Post by katt on Jul 26, 2016 16:24:27 GMT -5
How are the fuzzards doing? Would you post an updated menu for the last week when you get a chance? Hope unpacking is going well! The only thing I hate more than packing is UNpacking...
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Post by Aftershock on Jul 26, 2016 18:35:52 GMT -5
Tuesday am- Beef 6 oz pm- Turkey neck 10 oz Wednesday am- Heart 7oz pm- CGH 7-8oz Thursday am- Pork 8oz pm- CGH 7-8oz Friday am- Turkey neck 6-7 oz pm- CGH 7-8 oz (I don't remember the exact amount and I didn't write it down) Saturday am- 1/2 heart, 1/2 liver 7oz pm- Turkey neck 11 oz Sunday am- Liver 7oz Monday am- Turkey neck 6-7 oz pm- CGH 7-8 oz Tuesday am- Beef 6-7oz Gator weighs 2 lbs 11.2oz Croc weighs 2 lbs 11oz So I haven't been very good about weighing their food, so I've put the approximate ounces down. Unless it was an organ meal. Those are right on. They are super dookers lately and should be, they have their own room now. we've been having to scrub the place we moved into before we unpack and scrub the apartment too. How was your wedding katt?!
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Post by katt on Jul 26, 2016 22:49:31 GMT -5
Tuesday am- Beef 6 oz pm- Turkey neck 10 oz Wednesday am- Heart 7oz pm- CGH 7-8oz Thursday am- Pork 8oz pm- CGH 7-8oz Friday am- Turkey neck 6-7 oz pm- CGH 7-8 oz (I don't remember the exact amount and I didn't write it down) Saturday am- 1/2 heart, 1/2 liver 7oz pm- Turkey neck 11 oz Sunday am- Liver 7oz Monday am- Turkey neck 6-7 oz pm- CGH 7-8 oz Tuesday am- Beef 6-7oz Gator weighs 2 lbs 11.2oz Croc weighs 2 lbs 11oz So I haven't been very good about weighing their food, so I've put the approximate ounces down. Unless it was an organ meal. Those are right on. They are super dookers lately and should be, they have their own room now. we've been having to scrub the place we moved into before we unpack and scrub the apartment too. How was your wedding katt?! I count 7 bone in meals, 1.5 meals liver, 1.5 meals heart, and 4 proteins. You are doing great. I'd like to see a little more variety if you can get it. What you have certainly works, but more is always better. Chicken should be an easy one and if they are eating the turkey necks then chicken bones will be easy. I buy whole chickens - super cheap - and chop them up myself. The spine, ribs, pelvis, and wings are all awesome eating bones. The rabbit I know is in-progress, and hunting season is around the corner so you'll be all stocked up on game meat organs after that if I remember correctly? Lookin' good! Is there anything you are feeling confused or unsure about or have questions about that we haven't covered or haven't explained well enough so far? The wedding went well. It was chaotic, but I suppose that's to be expected. Afterwards we realized a lot of little details got forgotten - like Shane's bouttoniere, bridesmaid bracelets, my awesome birch tree straws I bought... Haha All minor details but still a bummer. The ceremony went well though and I'm excited to see the photographer's pics when she is done with them. It was all so frantic and chaotic and in the moment though, I forgot to ask the photographer for pics of JUST the ferrets and I. That was one of the #1 things I wanted. We got some with us and the ring bearers, but not just the ferrets and us. That was kind of crushing when I realized that but oh well. Done is done. At least some friends got really good pics of me with the boys getting ready before hand.
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Post by Aftershock on Jul 27, 2016 8:49:41 GMT -5
yay! I know you mentioned some ferrets being more prone to chicken allergies, what are the signs of food allergies in ferrets? And when should I be concerned that they could be over eating? Gator is starting to get neck rolls, and as cute as I think they are I know that overeating in any animal isn't good. I bet the wedding was amazing and that you were gorgeous! To be honest, I kind of half expected your boys to be a part of the ceremony. (dance)
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Post by Klarissa on Jul 27, 2016 9:25:21 GMT -5
They are kits, right? Don't worry about them being overweight or over eating. In fact, cherish it. Take pictures of the adorable pudge. Snuggle the pudge. Next spring they will drop a tonne of weight (it will probably be a little shocking!) and will become handsome, leaner manferts.
If you hold a ferret so their body dangles, they should look like a uniform tube sock. (The amendment to this - ferrets fed kibble & switched to raw later in life can take on a... pear-ish shape, and it doesn't reflect being overweight.) Your fuzzbutts are lucky to be on raw from the get go 😊
Food allergies usually present as skin related reactions AND/OR digestive issues. It can be difficult to pinpoint allergies as the cause, because the symptoms are associated with other common problems.
Symptoms (Skin Related) - excessive itchiness, excessive licking, and red, itchy, inflamed ears. My dog has a chicken allergy & the only sign is the very tips of his ears get crusty & gross, and the ears bald. Not itchy. Not red. Not painful. Symptoms (digestive related) are vomiting & diarrhea. There's also an association between food allergies & IBD.
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Post by Aftershock on Jul 27, 2016 9:53:34 GMT -5
They are kits, right? Don't worry about them being overweight or over eating. In fact, cherish it. Take pictures of the adorable pudge. Snuggle the pudge. Next spring they will drop a tonne of weight (it will probably be a little shocking!) and will become handsome, leaner manferts. If you hold a ferret so their body dangles, they should look like a uniform tube sock. (The amendment to this - ferrets fed kibble & switched to raw later in life can take on a... pear-ish shape, and it doesn't reflect being overweight.) Your fuzzbutts are lucky to be on raw from the get go 😊 Food allergies usually present as skin related reactions AND/OR digestive issues. It can be difficult to pinpoint allergies as the cause, because the symptoms are associated with other common problems. Symptoms (Skin Related) - excessive itchiness, excessive licking, and red, itchy, inflamed ears. My dog has a chicken allergy & the only sign is the very tips of his ears get crusty & gross, and the ears bald. Not itchy. Not red. Not painful. Symptoms (digestive related) are vomiting & diarrhea. There's also an association between food allergies & IBD. Hahahahaha! Snuggle the pudge! That made me giggle hardcore! Also, manferts. I'm am literally dying over here! Hee hee.... manferts. They get kind of a beer gut when on kibble, right? My husband asked what the verdict was after weighing them and we giggled at the adorable fatty cakes after I told him. I ended up explaining their fluctuation like someone who has been eating a bunch of junk food and starts to exercise and eat better. They are going to burn all of those junk food carbs and have a weight dip, then start to gain muscle. Especially if they are on a high protein diet. That's nice to know so I can keep an eye out just in case. ..... manferts!
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Post by Klarissa on Jul 27, 2016 10:01:08 GMT -5
Riker is 9 months and weighs 4lbs. I'm gonna miss the pudge so much
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Post by Aftershock on Jul 27, 2016 10:19:24 GMT -5
AWWWWWWWW!I just want to love that fat boy! His coloring is super neat! How is his training by the way?
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Post by Klarissa on Jul 27, 2016 10:58:35 GMT -5
The training is going much better with the gentle hold when he bites. He became a dominant brat when he outgrew everyone else. So I think the hold works well because even though I am holding him down (gently, but firmly) he is the one in control. As soon as he relaxes (usually a melodramatic sigh) he is let go & we immediately resume play. He caught on very quickly, and doesn't feel insulted since he's control of the duration of the hold.
He's a Real Canadian kit. I expected a handful & was not disappointed, lol. We even do "Riker Free Days" where we take him on outings so the other ferrets get a break 😂
We get off topic so easily, lol. Do you have any questions about raw feeding or concerns? Anything Katt or I haven't covered?
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Post by Aftershock on Jul 27, 2016 11:16:27 GMT -5
That's so great to hear! it is kind of cute that the other ferrets get a Riker free day. Proud ferrent moments are so rewarding! Like I'm having an epic proud ferrent moment right now! Croc jumped into the cage to use the litter box ALL BY HIMSELF! TWICE! I might just die of happiness! I think those have been my only questions as of right now. I will ask my husband when he gets home and see if he has any.
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Post by katt on Jul 29, 2016 15:05:42 GMT -5
Oh but the boys were in he ceremony - they were the ring bearers.
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Post by Klarissa on Jul 29, 2016 15:23:37 GMT -5
Since you have no more questions, Croc & Gator eat like little champs, and you have gained much knowledge So a final quiz, don't worry if you don't know or get an answer wrong I just want to make sure I touch on some other subjects. 1) Does freezing degrade taurine? 2) List 3 sources of edible bone? 3) What counts as a different protein source? 4) How many organ meals should be fed a week? a) how much of those meals are liver? 5) a) How much and how often can eggs be fed? b) What part(s) of the egg should be fed? 6) How can you tell if a ferret is a good weight? 7) Are leaner or fattier cuts better for ferrets? 8) Why is it unadvised to serve multiple types of meal items (muscle, bone, and organ) at one time? 9) What seasonal changes are expected in the spring & fall? 10) What are (temporary) substitutes for... a) Heart? b) Bone? Good luck!
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Post by Aftershock on Jul 29, 2016 19:43:38 GMT -5
1. No, it doesn't, it degrades when heated. (Lucky for us!) 2. Chicken, rabbit, quail. 3. For me personally a different protein source would end up being quail, duck, lamb, or goat since I have CGH, pork, beef, and soon to be rabbit in my menu planning. 4. 1.5 meals! A. Half of that should be liver. 5. A. Eggs can be fed once a week unless they are shedding, then it can be twice a week. B. You can feed the whole egg, just the yolk, or dry out and grind the eggshell. You never feed just the egg white. 6. If they have been raw fed, when you hold them so their body dangles they should look like a uniform tube sock. Another thing is weighing them to keep track of their fluctuations so you can tell if they are sick. 7. Fatter cuts. 8. You shouldn't serve all of those things together because first, that's going to stress out the poor ferrets intestines, two, because they are just going to eat their favorite thing, three, if you have more than one ferret it's hard to know who is eating what. 9. Spring, they should get darker, eat less, and blow their coat. Fall, they will start to lighten up, eat a ton, and their coat should thicken up. 10. A. Beef tongue B. Ground up eggshells If it comes down to it there are supplements out there as well. Now that I'm thinking about it, when is the best time to give them egg? Should I feed it with an organ meal or by itself? Another thing, if I happen to decide to feed only whole prey, how does that work? Would it be better to gut and still have heart and organ meals to ensure that they are still getting those things? katt please tell me you are going to post pictures up!
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Post by Klarissa on Jul 29, 2016 19:47:26 GMT -5
Egg can be given on its own, or it can be served with a regular meal. If you go down the path of only feeding whole prey, then you do not need additional organ meals (though extra hearts never hurt). With whole prey you still need a minimum of three proteins: mice, rats, asf, whole quail, guinea pig, whole rabbit, etc. They are like furry little happy meals
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