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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 14:46:59 GMT -5
Hello, I am Daria and I am looking for a good breeder in US, preferably not far from North Carolina.
I already have two girls and we all three feel that we need a boy ferret to join us to make it complete. I'm interested in black self or chocolate self or cinnamon self color, medium , short or part angora fur. Can you recommend any breeders?
Thank you for your help.
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Post by Heather on May 3, 2016 14:51:40 GMT -5
Wow....selfs...I don't think anyone breeds them over here any more. Danee used to. Pam breeds angoras...or at least has her first litter of angoras this year. I've seen a couple of US litters of angoras. I don't deal with either angora or selfs. I would suggest going to a show and checking out those rings specifically to see who the breeders are. Check out the AFA web page for a show nearest you  ciao |
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Post by nancyl on May 3, 2016 14:52:23 GMT -5
There are no good breeders in NC. Danee Devore is in VA. She's "The Clay Ferret".
Way too many health issues with selfs, especially black. Angoras are no prize either.
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Post by Heather on May 3, 2016 14:56:16 GMT -5
Oh, thank you Nancy. I always get lost with the different breeders and where they're located. I'm starting to keep what they breed sort of straight. Danee would be listed on the AFA page wouldn't she?
ciao
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 15:05:00 GMT -5
Heather, I am not very good in colors, But I like the one that is on you picture, that look look like little bears. Not full angora, maybe half or better standard.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 20:08:32 GMT -5
I am sorry but what are selfs? I have never heard of those?
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Post by Heather on May 3, 2016 22:31:45 GMT -5
My ferrets are UK poley hybrids. No angora, wouldn't have one, just a personal choice. The easiest way to describe a self is to allow you to prowl a breeder'site. Have a look for yourself. I don't like the style, they have a reputation for health issues. They're rather dainty. petite or sharp looking. I like a bulldog type. They originate from a german breeder called Peter Herszghof. He has bred his line of ferrets from darkest to darkest, often using heavy inbreeding, to obtain this colour. Green and blue eyes are not uncommon and a lot of angoras have them in their background. They now come in many colours and markings. www.majestik.cz/index.php/en/ferret/ferrets-colour/blackciao |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 22:40:32 GMT -5
My ferrets are UK poley hybrids. No angora, wouldn't have one, just a personal choice. The easiest way to describe a self is to allow you to prowl a breeder'site. Have a look for yourself. I don't like the style, they have a reputation for health issues. They're rather dainty. petite or sharp looking. I like a bulldog type. They originate from a german breeder called Peter Herszghof. He has bred his line of ferrets from darkest to darkest, often using heavy inbreeding, to obtain this colour. Green and blue eyes are not uncommon and a lot of angoras have them in their background. They now come in many colours and markings. www.majestik.cz/index.php/en/ferret/ferrets-colour/blackciao Interesting. I assume that they have health issues more than the typical adrenal and insulinoma. More along the lines of genetic defects. Blindness, deafness, I assume maybe mental issues? I know with lots of inbreeding comes lots of mental issues,cancers,defects,litters being smaller, fertility I mean the list goes on. Although with regular colors I have read that health issues are more prominent in say the silvers and DEWs. And not so much in albino and sables? Please correct me if I am wrong just trying to learn. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 22:41:50 GMT -5
Is there a thread that has the different types of ferrets ie: bull dog vs whippet vs grey hound?
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Post by Heather on May 4, 2016 0:37:54 GMT -5
We've discussed the whippet, greyhound, bulldog but I don't think there's a specific thread. It's more about body and head types than a type of ferret. A whippet has a narrower head, long lean body. Often doesn't put on weight well. A bulldog is a short stocky ferret with a wider head and broader muzzle. They carry weight and have a heavier bone structure. The greyhound is somewhere in the middle
All breeders practice linebreeding to a certain degree, some practice a little closer than others but it doesn't make it wrong. It's part of maintaining continuity in the breed. It becomes wrong when there is no outcross. If you can look across a number of generations and you're still within the original family without any introduction of another unrelated line, you're going to eventually start having problems. As those that breed mice and rats will tell you, you can breed successive back to backs and not see any noticeable issues...unless.....you've got a hidden issue already. Some breeders will actually breed this way to pull suspected genetic flaws. If you continuously outcross you're going to never understand what you're going to get, there are too many variables. If you have an issue that shows up, you don't know where to go because you don't know when it was introduced. You are constantly changing the genetic variables....if there are a couple of markers that you really like (say milk mouth or a specific ear set, even temperament) but you continuously outcross you will loose it. When you breed in for a couple of generations, bring in an outcross, return to breeding in and move in and out. This makes keeping records absolutely imperative. The issue in ferrets (some lymphomas, poor immunities) is a deal with colour (this is actually a problem that you're going to see in many breeds, dogs, cats). People want lots of white, and weird markings. They want long coats, strange colours...these are genetic markers, breed flaws. Breeding for these colours, silvers, DEWs, markings, pandas, milk toes, blazes, and coats are what causes a lot of the issues we're seeing in ferrets right now. People often jump to inbreeding but often it's breeding on a fluke, like the angora (in breeding is also an issue though this is getting to be less as more and more are bred allowing for more genetic variation to choose from....all angoras are related to a particular fitch farm in Denmark (I believe it's Denmark). The original angoras, couldn't breed naturally, requiring care (shaving) to allow breeding. They were notorious for being sterile, having poor survival rates. The original angoras couldn't feed their young, so a regular litter had to be birthed and sacrificed to allow the angora kits to feed. It's only through us that the angora exists. You can point to various dog breeds (white boxers), cat breeds (sphinx) who have become popular and are full of health issues who are bred on purely because the market wants them. Ferret some in 2 natural colours....sable (poley if you're UK) and albino anything after that has been created because the market demands them.
ciao
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 1:29:35 GMT -5
I know we have talked about it I was more looking for a picture thread of each style more for when I am educating and showing people the different styles of ferrets  as a horse breeder and I bred goats I know about the line breeding have used it many times I was talking about constant inbreeding with no out crosses. There are many people in all aspects of different species who are inbreeding to the point of so many issues in animals. I personally am not a fan of angoras. Their noses look funny and I don't like the long hair. My personal opinion. |
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Post by nancyl on May 4, 2016 10:41:19 GMT -5
Black selfs seem to be more prone to lymphomas and cardiac issues. They start young and the ferrets die quite early. Three years seems to be an old self.
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Post by crazylady on May 4, 2016 12:26:10 GMT -5
Hi I agree with nancy I saw that at different shows around the world it was very rare to see a self over 3 take care bye for now
Bev
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 14:21:58 GMT -5
Thank you for the information. It's very interesting. I didn't know about health issues of selfs. Are the any problems with chocolate or cinnamon ferrets? I come from another country and black selfs or chocolate selfs are very easy to get. I like black sables as well. I'm not keen on angoras either, they are just popular now, so easier to get an angora now from where I come from I would prefer standard. Can you tell me, if I choose a breeder who is far from me, do they organize delivery and how? I am not in a hurry to buy a boy right now, I just want to figure out what I want and see how things work here. Also, in US, as far as I know, they spray ferrets very early. When breeders sell here, do they sell them fixed? (I know Marshall does). I am thinking to use the implant instead or wait till the ferret gets 7-8 months old.I heard there are health issues because of early spaying. Is that true? |
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Post by Heather on May 4, 2016 16:08:51 GMT -5
Some (not many) will ship but it's up to you to pay this and make arrangements. It may be that you can form a relationship and get to know a breeder and they might be more inclined to allow a ferret to be shipped but that's up to individual breeders. It's very expensive and only certain airlines will allow it. Sometimes you can make arrangements to meet these breeders at shows and arrange kit pick ups though (this is a common practice)
When the kits are spayed/neutered or chemically implanted (some breeders will not allow their kits to be implanted) will be in your contract and is one of the discussions that must be taken up with the breeder you choose. Breeders are more than aware of the costs of early spay/neuter and I can't think of any who advocate this, though I'm not sure of various specifics (before first season, after)....again this will have to be taken up with a particular breeder. You will not encounter a reputable breeder who advocates the ages that Marshals farms does.
ciao
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