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Post by Sherry on May 27, 2016 9:23:06 GMT -5
The pred should help him a lot. Also, if he keeps grinding talk to the vet about short term pain meds like buprenorphrin.
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Post by dorena261-Natalia on May 28, 2016 16:49:56 GMT -5
and eventually some meds that will protect the stomach. hope the pred will help right away!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 13:31:34 GMT -5
I dont know what to do. Poor dook is down to 1 pound 8 oz. Hes grinding and has completely liquid (no solid) diarrhea today. We are giving him the pred, the carafate, and added back in pepcid. Hes in bad shape. I don't know how much longer he has and I don't know how to make him better.
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Post by dorena261-Natalia on May 29, 2016 16:55:01 GMT -5
oh no can you take him to the vet?
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Post by Sherry on May 30, 2016 11:32:07 GMT -5
He needs to be seen again. I normally do not advise this, but I would also be adding in 1 tsp pure pumpkin mixed into his food at this time. It may just help bulk up his stools enough to prevent dehydration.
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Post by dorena261-Natalia on May 31, 2016 7:43:15 GMT -5
is there any news?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 22:19:19 GMT -5
Sorry, I put all of my effort into saving Dook, so I didn't hop on to update. On Sunday, dook was in really terrible shape, with nonstop diarrhea. We couldn't get it to stop and couldn't get him hydrated. We tried pepcid. We tried carafate. We kept giving pedialyte but could not compete with the rate at which he was losing the fluids. We knew he needed a vet, without a doubt. We went to the emergency vet nearby and they REFUSED to see him. They said they didn't have any exotics on hand over the holiday, and they could keep him for observation. If he got worse (unresponsive/seizing) They could give fluids to stablize him, but nothing else. I knew he needed fluids. I called the local shelter, and they said they would give him subq fluids, but they were out of lactated ringers! The ER vet wouldn't disease any because I didn't have a prescription. I emailed our regular vet, and put out an ISO on the FDITUSA page. I called around to wildlife rescues, and the fire dept. And ambulance corps. Nobody had the fluids! Mary Schaffer suggested we try Pepto. We had not tried that because of the fear of him having/getting an ulcer. But we were desperate, and I knew I had to risk it. He wasn't going to make it through the night. The pepto was enough to get the diarrhea to subside. We filled him with fluids as fast as possible. Pedialyte and water every 30 minutes, just because I didn't know how long we had until he would be sick again. We kept on the fluids, pepto, and carafate For Sunday and Monday and he is hanging in. He went to the vet today. The vet does not think the pepcid is what made him sick, but just in case, we're going to stop it. He is in a very fragile state and quite sick. He doesn't have much fight left in him. My vet has instructed me to pause of the raw diet. She is not opposed to it, but I am having a very hard time getting dook onto it. He is opposed to anything wet and needs to transition asap. She gave me a science diet that is good for IBD. It's a terrible quality, but I need to try it to keep him alive. She also suggested that I try another kibble without poultry in it (thinking orijen regional red or NV rabbit, but haven't had a chance to explore them.) I still desperately want to see dook on the raw, as I do believe if I can get him healthy again, it's what's best for him in the long run, but for the next 1-2 weeks, I need to focus on getting him on a different kibble, so I can keep him alive. Any thoughts? Sherry, I cannot figure out how to post pics here. I will pm them on fb!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 22:20:29 GMT -5
Also, our vet send him home with everything we need for subq fluids, so we will never be stuck like we were this weekend. Talk about helpless!
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Post by Sherry on Jun 1, 2016 10:06:57 GMT -5
You do what you need to do to get him past this, that is ALL that matters right now. Once he is stable we can pick this thread up again. Let me know when you have seen this and I will lock and vault it temporarily UNTIL he is at a better place He will get there, it will just take time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 11:06:07 GMT -5
Sherry, thank you for understanding. I am 100% not looking to quit! I want him on the raw. The vet said it should really help him if we can limit the ingredients, and wants us to keep trying it, but I'm really hoping that one of these kibbles will help calm his tummy immediately. Sonce a kibble switch usually takes about 10 days, hopefully in about 2 weeks, we can pick it up again. The big difference is that instead of using his poultry based kibble to transition him, we'll be using a different kibble. I'll be back soon, I promise!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 23:03:57 GMT -5
Okay, so today I purchased Orijen Regional Red, and added in just a little bit to the kibble, but decided to do a little more of his kibble/rabbit soup. I figured a few licks won't be a big deal. He ate it off the plate! Not without some nudging, but I held min and sort of forced his face towards it, and he licked it! Not on his own, but maybe we should keep going with this! Is there any reason why I cannot both transition the kibble and add in rabbit together? I know ideally one change at a time, but is it doable? Is it wise? We've worked so hard to get to this point. It's a huge step for him and I don't want to lose the little momentum we h
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Post by Sherry on Jun 2, 2016 9:58:25 GMT -5
It is certainly doable, but for right now my main concern is getting the diarrhea under control. That is what can really damage them. In the interim why not order some pancreatic enzymes for when you start the raw again? That is what is going to help a LOT with IBD. For my Boris in the end he could eat ONLY lamb, with up to 30% goat or elk. More would cause liquid diarrhea. Any other protein the same. But when he would eat his foods with the pancreatic enzymes his stools were almost normal. This is the Canadian one, but you can find the same online where you are. I started with just a pinch of this, mixed into his mince an hour before he ate and worked up to a full capsule 12 hours before. I actually got little containers and put one meal in each, with a capsule mixed in and froze those. I would take one out twice a day, 12 hours ahead of time to thaw in the fridge, and then warm slightly with some very warm water mixed in to make a wet ground. www.amazon.ca/Pancreas-Lamb-Organic-Glandular-Nutricology/dp/B00125Z9ZI
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Post by Sherry on Jun 2, 2016 10:00:03 GMT -5
In the interim I will leave this thread here and just watch. When you look at starting the raw mince mixed in again, use the enzymes in it and start mixing the treated mince in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 18:32:24 GMT -5
Hi Sherry, we've been transitioning to the kibble (orijen red). We are at 50% Red, and 50% of the mix of the other poultry based kibbles. So far we are not seeing much improvement. We stopped the metronidazole. Dook began having such violent reactions, crying and clawing at his mouth after we administered it. He tore the side of his face doing it. I decided 4 days into it that it is not worth doing that to him, even if it means he doesn't get better. I cannot torture him. We do have Stella and Chewys Dandy lamb. He licked it a few times when we first got it, but still doesn't like wet food. I don't know how to deal with his aversion to wet. I ordered the enzymes. Can I put that on his kibble?
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Post by Sherry on Jun 9, 2016 9:20:38 GMT -5
The enzymes only work when wet. With the lamb, use warm water, only make very small amounts for now, and keep dabbing his nose with it. Don't let him down right away, and keep offering it to lick from your finger. Do this a couple hours after taking away the kibble. As for the kibble mix you won't see any improvement until he is completely off the fowl.
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