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Post by Blue on Apr 19, 2016 6:52:37 GMT -5
Klarissa a lesson I need to periodically relearn -- it's not all about me Thanks Heather, this article is talking about grinds -- the whole rabbit is ground up: Do you think that adding extra heart to your home-made grind makes up for the possible taurine deficiency? But is this something we need to be concerned about when purely feeding commercial grinds? Maisie's food is all Hare Today grinds (+egg +salmon oil).
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Post by Sherry on Apr 19, 2016 9:38:05 GMT -5
The problem with that study is they used rabbit- which is notoriously low in taurine. Especially farmed rabbit. Feeding regular meats, although ground, isn't as bad. I would still feed extra hearts during the week, or even add in some extra taurine just to be safe if you feel the need as they will simply excrete any excess. Mine also get their hearts/organs from their commercial grinds for the most part. But once a month I feed a meal of chopped up chicken hearts as well as a meal of pureed liver.
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Post by Blue on Apr 19, 2016 12:07:21 GMT -5
The problem with that study is they used rabbit- which is notoriously low in taurine. Especially farmed rabbit. Ah, that makes sense and is somewhat reassuring. It's also reassuring that no one has reported this problem on HFF. I think I'll still supplement with a bit of taurine just in case.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 15:04:16 GMT -5
I use on average 2-3 ground meals a week, as a "bone in meal". I was discussing with a vet, and food is considered to be "stuck on" after 48 hours, but that's with kibble. So I do grounds on days where they have a whole bone in, or whole prey as the second meal to clean their teeth. I use ground organs because they don't eat all of them equally. Can I see what your menu looks like? I am dipping my fingers in all aspects of raw diets. I tried mice guinea pigs and cut them up as a Franken prey. But hare today has a couple ground in meats that are complete that I wanted to try in with my Franken prey menu. I was thinking 3-4 of these meals a week.
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Post by Klarissa on May 7, 2016 11:00:30 GMT -5
Sure! I will post it when I get home The files have a chart that shows how to balance "alternative meals" with Frankenprey. Alternative is anything that has the requirements (bone, muscle & organ) in one neat package so whole prey, commercial grinds, or FDR. For 3-4 "alternative" meals, they replace a bone in meal. And you'd do one organ meal (50% liver + 50% other), and 100% heart meal, BUT NOT the 50/25/25 organ meal. If that makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 11:16:58 GMT -5
Sure! I will post it when I get home The files have a chart that shows how to balance "alternative meals" with Frankenprey. Alternative is anything that has the requirements (bone, muscle & organ) in one neat package so whole prey, commercial grinds, or FDR. For 3-4 "alternative" meals, they replace a bone in meal. And you'd do one organ meal (50% liver + 50% other), and 100% heart meal, BUT NOT the 50/25/25 organ meal. If that makes sense. The reason I ask because the grinds I am getting from Hare Today are bone heavy. Duck: 71% muscle 24% bone 5% liver Lamb: 73% muscle 17% bone 10% organ ( liver, pancreas,kidney) Rabbit: 75% muscle 15% bone 10% organ (liver,pancreas,kidney) Then it has notes saying heart and lung are considered muscle meat so I don't know if those are added in or if I should add even more in? I understand the organ part. I also understand the chart that Celene posted but since those grinds are so bone heavy do I compensate or do I take a bone meal out?
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Post by Klarissa on May 7, 2016 11:18:08 GMT -5
For the bones, just watch their poop.
If you notice they are dry, or powdery. Then replace a bone in meal, with muscle.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 11:25:07 GMT -5
Alright awesome I was hoping that it would be as easy as that. I just didn't want to imbalance anything like that. I appreciate your time.
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Post by Klarissa on May 7, 2016 11:37:03 GMT -5
No problem! I was about to come & write a real post, lol! Balancing bone is much more straightforward. With bone there poops tell all That duck grinds is very bone dense, and will undoubtedly mean an extra muscle meat meal, if not two. I've never had a grind that dense. The rabbit & lamb is closer to what I feed, and I haven't found that its bone content requires additional muscle meal. But all ferrets are different
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 11:41:33 GMT -5
I haven't bought the grinds yet I can look into different grinds. For the duck at least. There are a couple whole carcass grinds I can look into.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 11:45:37 GMT -5
Tripe okay to feed? There are a lot of grinds with Tripe in it.
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Post by Blue on May 7, 2016 12:35:28 GMT -5
Are your fuzzbutts eating all the ground food you give them? Maisie always leaves some bone behind. With soup, she licks the bowl clean if hungry. I know she's getting some bone because I saw it in her poop when we started out, and they're OK now. I just don't think she's actually getting the full 17% or whatever. (This morning she had the Walt Disney Special: duck and rabbit.) ETA: actually Bugs Bunny is Looney Tunes, isn't he? So the Cartoon Special
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 12:40:48 GMT -5
This will be the first time I feed grinds. They have eaten ground beef. I am just trying all aspects of feeding raw to see what works for me because I have to buy everything online. The town I live in doesn't have an Asian store of exotic meats.
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