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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 5:12:16 GMT -5
I know that not all people give away their pets because they do not care, that is why I did not say all people do. And the only reason I said what I did was because I felt she was getting unindated with all negative responses, and she felt she had found a way to provide for her ferrets whole prey without costing her an arm and a leg. Frankenprey is said to be cheap on forum, however, feeding whole prey is very expensive, I know.
People like to reserve the meat they eat in another compartment of their mind, but still animals are getting killed. But it is ok for us because they did not come from the petstore.
Her question was she a bad person for doing this---- I do not think so because she was trying to feed her ferrets. Her ferrets were foremost in mind.
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Post by bitbyter on Mar 5, 2016 9:00:59 GMT -5
abbeytheferret6 The problem is an ethical one, not a moral one. Is she horrible for feeding animals to another animal? No, absolutely not. However, taking people's pets from them without telling them what is going to happen to the animal is dishonest. The frame of mind most people are in when giving away a pet is that it is for pet purposes, not as food for another animal. This is one reason snake owners have a bad rap and I wouldn't want that to spread to ferret owners who feed raw. Also, rodent breeders are very touchy about people who buy rodents specifically being sold as "Pets" for food or to even breed on their own. Not telling someone or misleading them as to what you intend to do with an animal is dishonest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 9:19:00 GMT -5
I've got a whole freezer of food for Floki just by looking at Craigslist and Facebook groups that have pets for sale. Most of them were free! Am I a horrible person for this? Lol I kind of feel wrong, but if they are giving them away for free.... @maegan I think it would help us answer you better if you clarified what you mean. Don't worry that you will get flamed or judged. We just are trying to understand if you are getting frozen prey after perhaps someone's pet has passed away and they have leftover prey or are you getting live pets and using them as prey. If so does the owner giving the pet away know what it is intended for. :thankyou:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 9:28:14 GMT -5
Ok so last night (more like early this a.m. I made a post which I deleted because I really try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Unfortunately holding stuff in if it weighs on my mind ends up triggering my CV syndrome sometimes which happened this morning SO, I am going to get this off my chest in as non-emotional way as I can.
If you are in fact talking about using pets as feed for your ferrets than yes, i'm sorry but that is wrong not only on an ethical level but in many states , on a legal level as well (such as the use of dogs cats and such).
Personally if I find myself needing to rationalize a potential action than I already know that what I'm doing or considering doing is wrong, my conscience is my guide.
If any one of us for some reason had to part with one of out ferrets, do you think it would be ok if that ferret ended up as feed for another animal? If your answer is no, than why would you think it was ok to do that to another persons pet? If your answer is yes, that it would be ok than wow, I cannot even relate to that.
There is, ethically and legally a difference between livestock and pets.
Still I will assume that the post was just worded wrong until you say for sure.
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Post by Klarissa on Mar 5, 2016 11:21:12 GMT -5
@libbyw There is no ethical difference between pets & livestock! And it is the blind eye society turns to livestock animals, while putting pets on a separate pedestal that allows the meat industry to continue abusing & neglecting livestock animals for our consumption. They aren't pets, and they don't look cute & cuddley plated with a side of mashed potatoes so obviously they should be treated with a different level of ethics.
The dichotomy between pets & livestock is a false one, and built on arbitrary societal norms. Pigs are as smart as dogs, and when kept as pets instead of livestock are affectionate, loving pets. Conversely I've heard dog tastes pretty good. You're response is purely emotional & dangerous.
All animals, regardless of their lifes outcome deserve the EXACT same treatment. Animals don't have existential crises, they aren't aware of their own mortality - if they had a good life, if they were loved, cared for... So what if they end up as ferret food? As opposed to a shoe box in the backyard, at least its not wasteful.
Moreover, NEVER, EVER EVER, is it acceptable to list an animal for free on a classified website. EVER. Might as well title the ad "Animal Abusers Please Read". Even if its the ugliest, stupidest, least desirable animal ever, still deserves a home where it will be treated well. If you can't afford puppies until they can find a good home, than spay/neuter your dog.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 11:34:54 GMT -5
Klarissa While I do agree with some of what you said, I disagree with other points you made. When an animal is bonded and trusts humans and are raised as pets it is wrong to use them as food. This is an opinion that my mind will not change on. I'm not going to debate it. I'm perfectly ok with respecting a different view than mine and still holding my own. I'm waiting for clarification. The way the post sounds is someone giving away pets, sounds like live pets and if that's the case my opinion stands, she came seeking opinions, I gave mine based on what information she gave. IF she clears it up and I've misread I will apologize to her, I have no problem doing that but I will not now, tomorrow or ever think that it is ok to take a living pet and kill it to feed to another. If our opinion wasn't sought, I wouldn't have given it. When I ask for someones view opinion or validation I expect honesty from them I give what I would expect.
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Post by Corvidophile on Mar 5, 2016 11:56:30 GMT -5
To me, there are several problems. One is the higher up brain dilemma regarding right and wrong use of another's life, and this is opinion and I won't comment on it. A second is another higher up brain dilemma regarding respecting the wishes of the person the animal came from- were they lied to or misled by implication/lack of information that the animal was to be used as food? This is also opinion and I can't comment on it.
However, another problem is the safety of the situation, which is less opinion and more of a personal risk-taking choice. When an animal comes from a person's home instead of a closed facility, there is a higher possibility that something inside of it will render it dangerous to use as a feeder. That something ranges from easy to eliminate (internal and external parasites can be killed by freezer quarantine) to impossible to eliminate (did this mouse recently consume something, I.E. poisoned rodent bait, that will pass on to the ferret? Was this mouse recently medicated for any number of reasons with something that will harm the ferret?) and unfortunately you really can't tell.
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Post by Corvidophile on Mar 5, 2016 12:15:54 GMT -5
You can often get mouse breeder's culls for free by knowing the right people, though. I used to know at least ten people who donated their excess culls to raptor rehabilitation centers or gave them to friends with snakes. When people breed mice for show, they usually reduce the litter size to 4-6 individuals by the time they're a week old, so that the remaining litter grows big and fat and fast, and has lots of grooming attention from the mother, which causes them to be calmer when handled. All the other bubs are euthanized by the breeder, as bitbyter is right- they're very wary of what happens to their mice once they leave and would rather euthanize them themselves than risk the mouse being taken by an animal abuser.
There's no reason why you can't strike up a relationship with this type of person over Craigslist/Facebook, just let 'em know upfront that you want their litter culls. Don't expect any adult mice, though. They're either kept to continue the breeding line, studied into old age to make sure the line is still healthy, or given to people they vet out very, very carefully as pets only, oftentimes with signed contracts against breeding.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 13:48:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 22:48:36 GMT -5
Some were feeders and some were pets. I wasn't dishonest when the people asked me what I was going to do with them.
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Post by Sherry on Mar 6, 2016 11:09:22 GMT -5
I am assuming mice, rats, etc. I do agree I have an issue with pets going for food, just as I would have a problem with a ferret going for food. But if you were upfront and honest that is what matters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 22:45:01 GMT -5
I am assuming mice, rats, etc. I do agree I have an issue with pets going for food, just as I would have a problem with a ferret going for food. But if you were upfront and honest that is what matters. Oh yes, only rodents and farm type birds. No dogs and cats or anything like that! Lol!
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