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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 1:18:34 GMT -5
I believe the answer would be brains or dark muscle meat Sorry for the late response, My day ran away from me today, I was letting her run loose in the living room and show me all the places she shouldn't get into hehe
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 1:22:03 GMT -5
1. Ferret's name: Hermione 2. Ferret's weight: 1 lb 4 oz 3. Day 1 - About half, Day 2 - Full cube + Half cube (Both night some kibble at night) 4. Kinda a mush between kibble poop and wet poop 5. Activity levels: Very Active 6. Weekly menu: Tue : Chicken Soupie (Kibble in cage all day) Wend : Chicken Soupie (Kibble in cage from 8pm on)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 7:39:40 GMT -5
Hermione is doing so well. I love that she is eating her soupie. If you are home all day today, why don't you pick up her kibble during the day and just leave out the soupie. Let's see how much she will eat.
The answer to a substitute for Heart would be Tongue. It actually has more Taurine in it than Heart. A supplement could be provided using Taurine powder, if neither Heart nor Tongue were available. 500 mg per day per ferret would be the correct amount. I keep a supplement available for emergencies like if we lost powder or couldn't get out to the store. We're in the country so we drive an hour into Nashville to buy Ferret supplies.
I also buy Fresh is Best freeze dried raw Hearts. Mine love Duck or Turkey FDR hearts as a treat or for some foraging fun. A little hide and seek game is fun for them.
How many cats do you have? I know you mentioned your cat and I saw on your first thread that you have other pets, who else do you have?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 9:07:10 GMT -5
Huh, I would have never thought Tongue. That's what I did yesterday (put the kibble away and left out the soupie) I put the kibble back when we were going to be heading to bed. We have 2 cats (Kilala, and Oswald) 3 Dogs (Mia, Bandit and Blossom)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 9:28:17 GMT -5
They are all very pretty and you must have alot of fun with everyone.
Heart is considered a Muscle Meat and not an Organ. So, here is what is considered an Organ. We want secreting organs and this should help clarify the Organs for you. That will be important as we go along.
Courtesy of Hurricanekatt What Defines a NUTRITIONAL organ meat? This is a very important question, and something that causes a lot of confusion. Many structures that are considered “organs” anatomically are NOT considered Organ Meat nutritionally. Nutritional Organs are Major Hormone-Secreting Tissues: Liver Kidney Spleen Pancreas Gallbladder Brain Major glands (thymus, thyroid, parathyroid) Uterus Testicles
Pork Stomach Lining** (pork stomach is an organ, but it is lower in nutrients than the others listed) Tripe is the stomach of ruminating animals (usually Beef). White tripe has all of the nutrients bleached out of it and should not be fed. Green tripe is high in nutrients but smells horrid and usually ferrets won’t go near it so it’s really not worth the bother. If your ferrets will eat it, more power to you. Chitterlings (pork small intestine): similar to stomach this is an organ but is low in nutrients compared to the others and usually picked out of whole prey so there isn’t much benefit to feeding it.
NON-Organ meats Gizzards – gizzards are comprised of primarily muscle tissue and tendon, nutritionally they are a muscle meat source. Great for cleaning teeth.
Tongue – the tongue is comprised of muscle and mucous/salivary glands. These glands secrete mucous and digestive enzymes but NO hormones. The sublingual tonsils are at the very back of the tongue and are a lymphoid tissue (immune system). These tonsils are way at the back, so IF they are included on your purchased tongue, they are included in the whole tongue piece. Nutritionally tongue is a muscle meat source.
Lungs- lungs do not secrete hormones, they are comprised of connective tissue and endothelium. They are not considered a true “organ” as far as raw diet is concerned. They are however a GREAT part of a raw diet and are very high in Iron and Vitamin B12, as well as other B Vitamins. Definitely a good thing to feed if you have access.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 20:41:18 GMT -5
Loving all the information! Im here I promise! Been working on some home things today I also picked up a planner, and have started to make a "Diet and health" planner for Hermione (and ron), I have a section for each of them to track there weight, food, mood, poops ect. And then I have a section for notes, I have 2 sections left, and idea what I should put there? Also any links to important documents that I should print out and place in there maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 9:58:36 GMT -5
That's great! I love how enthusiastic you are and Hermione is already showing the results of your working well with her. There are alot of great threads under the Natural Diet section. You're welcome to read anything and everything. I usually offer lessons based on where we are at in the process but the more you read the better. I'll link a very good one with some basic information: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/17480/intro-raw-newbies-read
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 15:15:21 GMT -5
Thank you! Went to petsmart and got WBCL for potty training, and all the "first aid" stuff. They were out of the nail clipping powder though, so Ill have to get some elsewhere.
She is eating on her own now (I put her bowl in her pen while i was out this AM) it was gone when I got back, so I let her out and gave her another (she is a little piggy!)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 16:51:07 GMT -5
You must have had such fun shopping for Hermione. Just wait for your first Christmas. Your own Christmas wish list will have all Ferret stuff on it and you'll have so much fun shopping for her. We also run a Secret Santa here and you can sign up for that.
You can use cornstarch to replace the Styptic powder until you are able to replace it with the powder. Hopefully you won't have an accident but if you do, cornstarch works fine. You have other pets so I'm guessing you know about avoiding the 'quick' which looks red.
So we have a little piggy. That's music to my ears. What a good girl and what a smart girl. She's nice and hungry and wants those nutrients. You did exactly right giving her some more. Let her eat as much as she wants.
It's time to go ahead and start putting those tiny slivers into her bowl and see how she reacts to that. You could also slice a long thin sliver from some chicken and stand at the sink with her. Run the sliver under some warm water and hand it to her. See if she grabs it and if she does then put her down and watch to see if she eats it. I suspect she will.
:banana:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 13:11:48 GMT -5
Awesome! Going to get some more chicken from the store this AM! And going to get her "husband!" Then we will try and see what she does!!!
1. Ferret's name: Hermione 2. Ferret's weight: 1 pound 7.4 oz 3. she has been eating 2-3 cubes a day, and a little kibble. 4. Seems the same as before. 5. Activity levels: Yesterday she was lazy.... otherwise she has been playful! 6. Weekly menu: Chicken Soupie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 14:48:49 GMT -5
Perfect. So she is eating some cubes, that's great. Start reducing the amount of soupie and giving her more slivers or cubes of meat. Make the soupie more of a gravy to put over the meat and let's get her working on learning to chew.
I can't wait to hear all about her husband. You're going to really enjoy watching them bond. Your new one will be all about exploring his new home and learning where he is and Hermione will want to play. She most likely will try to stash him and it's so funny when they try to stash someone and the new someone refuses to stay stashed.
Only Ferrets seem to take easily to a new friend. You can expect some tail sniffing and she'll want to assert her dominance and let him know this is her home so don't get nervous when they appear to scuffle. Ferrets play rough together. The rule is that as long as no one draws blood and no one fear poops then the intro is going well.
Ask at the place that he comes from if he was quarantined first. If he is very young and a small PetStore baby, then you will want to quarantine him first. Babies carry ECE which is green slime disease. They are carriers and immune to the virus but older ferrets may pick it up. Petco is very good about quarantining babies first.
It usually takes two weeks to appear and then you would notice her poop being green and she would sleep more than normal. It that should happen and I'm not saying it's a certainty then a vet visit and a course of antibiotics will get rid of it.
You can ditch the kibble for Hermione now. Let's get her off that and let her know that it's time for real food. I don't think she will notice it's gone at all now.
Depending on the age of the new boy though, you may have to rely on kibble for a bit for him and begin again with the soupie to get him use to new food. You did great with Hermione and she really took right to it. We usually get one stubborn one so don't get discouraged if Ron is stubborn but we'll expect the best and start working with him right away.
I'm so excited for you and Hermione and can't wait to hear all about then. Pictures, pretty please. (dance)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 19:41:33 GMT -5
Its been a long day, new cage, new baby!!!! Eeeep. Ron is 11 weeks old, with his first shots, I have to take him back in march 8th for another set. He seems to sleep.... A lot.. But I'm guessing cuz he is a baby. They have been getting along great!!! I snapped a few photos going to upload them in a few minutes!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 21:17:25 GMT -5
also wanted to say WE DID IT! (Pooping in litter box!) Also wanted to make sure poop is normal
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 17:34:52 GMT -5
So, Baby stuck his whole face into the bowl of soupie, and then sneezed when he took his head out. I wish I would have caught it on video. He licked a little bit of it, but not much.
Hermonie refused to pieces (from the bowl) she ate all the "gravy" and left the slivers.. So I hand fed them to her, and she ate them just fine.
Will be doing another "Update" post later tonight, Im cleaning, Have company coming over for dinner!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 10:10:16 GMT -5
1. Ferret's name: Hermione 2. Ferret's weight: 1 pound 10 oz 3. Feb 7th - Soupie (3 cubes) , Left the slivers in the bowl, had to hand feed them. The kibble is still in the cage, but it looks like she hasn't touched it (Her kibble) 4. Pictured above 5. Activity levels: She was lazy for most of the day, but suppper active (and crazy! Will post video later) at playtime 6. Weekly menu: Tue : Chicken Soupie with slivers, Kibble
1. Ferret's name: Ron 2. Ferret's weight: 12.3 OZ 3. Very small amount of Soupie, Mostly Kibble (Marshall's Select) 4. Kibble poop ! AND STINKY!!!! 5. Activity levels: He seems more playful now! Which is awesome!!! He is still lazy, but playful when I come by him. 6. Weekly menu: Kibble
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