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Post by Blue on Jan 29, 2016 17:55:57 GMT -5
Oh Heather, how tragic. I'm so sorry. What a biological fluke, and what a difficult decision. You absolutely did the right thing, that was no way for a ferret to live. Radagast was like a comet, passing through your life bright and fast. His short time on earth was the best possible thanks to you.
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Post by Sherry on Jan 30, 2016 12:14:29 GMT -5
i agree fully with all the others that silver does NOT lead to a true sable. But a true(pure) sable bred to a dilute, or even a pure albino, can produce all the other colours. Pure bino bred to pure bino will ONLY produce albinos. Pure sable bred to pure sable will ONLY produce sable or albino. If any other colours come out, then they have a mixed genetic background. Although I will admit I like the other colours(chocolate, silver, champagne, etc), they are the main reason for the health issues. So I see no sense in breeding these ones personally. Unless of course one is doing it for the cash.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 12:48:47 GMT -5
Heather - this is so tragic, but sometime you just need to trust Nature and if you don´t you will pay dearly. But humans are "silly" enough to try control everything, I know that very well on my own as well. Thanks @sherry you confirmed my knowing that if I breed sable to sable I can get albinos in litter as well. If I tell breeders here that, they look me like I am nuts. This was the same with rabbits, mostly 3 sable rabbit breedings gave at least 1 albino kit in litter. Sables have albinism in their genes If breeders here told me that it is impossible in ferrets I started to doubt and thouhgt that ferret color genetics works differently somehow. Thanks again!
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Post by Heather on Jan 30, 2016 13:43:51 GMT -5
My personal is to avoid silvers and DEWs at all costs. I've had nothing but grief with silvers, DEWs and roans. They're the heartbreak kids. I've lost every one earlier than they should have gone, to usually lymphoma. My very first silver, Porthos, I lost to juvenile lymphoma. I've had a number since. Just my personal experience ciao
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Post by Sherry on Jan 31, 2016 13:17:19 GMT -5
I agree whole heartedly. I adore DEWs and their attitudes, but you have to be very lucky to have one live to an old age. And breeding them is irresponsible at the very best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 14:58:30 GMT -5
I agree whole heartedly. I adore DEWs and their attitudes, but you have to be very lucky to have one live to an old age. And breeding them is irresponsible at the very best. I know someone who breeds DEWs and his ferrets live for ages, into their teens, same with all the others he breeds too
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Post by Heather on Jan 31, 2016 16:03:44 GMT -5
Considering what is known about DEWs and the colour white...I wouldn't touch it....ever. It's a genetic flaw that occurs in countless animals and it's always a total disaster. You may be able to get away with it for a bit (not very likely) but it will eventually bite you. It's like white shepherds, white boxers, blue merle, you can breed but at extreme risk and eventually you will pay for it. If you have health and longevity in mind you avoid "white". If you're only going to produce what people want, you use the colour card and you suck up your losses. It carries the same risks as silvers. This knowledge has absolutely nothing to do with ferret farms, this has to do with breeding. Having played in the dog and cat world much longer than ferret, I've seen the damage done and the extremes that are needed to breed with Irish spotting. It's not worth the heartbreak. I played in that arena for over 30 yrs before deciding that showing was a farce and illusion, that it damaged more than it ever helped any breed. The human race likes to play geneticist and they haven't a clue. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 16:33:08 GMT -5
Considering what is known about DEWs and the colour white...I wouldn't touch it....ever. It's a genetic flaw that occurs in countless animals and it's always a total disaster. You may be able to get away with it for a bit (not very likely) but it will eventually bite you. It's like white shepherds, white boxers, blue merle, you can breed but at extreme risk and eventually you will pay for it. If you have health and longevity in mind you avoid "white". If you're only going to produce what people want, you use the colour card and you suck up your losses. It carries the same risks as silvers. This knowledge has absolutely nothing to do with ferret farms, this has to do with breeding. Having played in the dog and cat world much longer than ferret, I've seen the damage done and the extremes that are needed to breed with Irish spotting. It's not worth the heartbreak. I played in that arena for over 30 yrs before deciding that showing was a farce and illusion, that it damaged more than it ever helped any breed. The human race likes to play geneticist and they haven't a clue. ciao He hasn't had any health issues within the 5 years that he's bred DEWs but I think that might be because he's very careful and very selective of the ferrets he breeds. I don't plan on breeding DEWs or silvers because of the waardenburg syndrome and mutations that have when bred to the same colour, the only silver ferret I've got is Whisper and I'm breeding her with Vinnie as I know that she has healthy kits with him and also has mostly sables.
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Post by Sherry on Feb 1, 2016 0:27:24 GMT -5
Then I would consider him lucky beyond anyone else I have ever heard of and leave it at that. I mean let's face it- a DEW is a sable with one huge white spot, and we ALL know what that leads to.
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Post by crazylady on Feb 3, 2016 12:51:27 GMT -5
everyone thinks Dews are born that way wrong dews are light silvers who roan out to be dews by the age of three or four and a lot of dew males are sterile I have a mitted sandy who only shows she is sandy by having very light sandy legs the rest of her ( head back tail feet ) would pass as a dew she stunning big black eyes and its hard to tell she is in fact a sandy mitt would I breed her nope I don't fancy bringing something into this world with problems take care bye for now Bev
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