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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 12:38:27 GMT -5
Hi!
My one Jill is in heat and I am wondering how long I should wait before to mate her? I tried to add photos as well, but somewhy it won´t let me. I do not know why. I have ome more jill who is coming to heat soon as her "equipment"is a bit enlarged but several times smaller than Gaias now. So one is for sure, Gaia will be mated first.
I am really appreaciated if you can show me pictures with really ready/in heat jills "equipment" or just tell me when I should start counting and until how long before mating?
Thanks in advance
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 12:39:17 GMT -5
Finally I got the pictures in as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 12:44:15 GMT -5
It's 14 to 16 days after you notice their vulva swelling is when you mate them.
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Post by Heather on Jan 26, 2016 12:51:37 GMT -5
I'm guessing you're breeding her for kits? She can be put to a vas-hob if no kits are wanted and if it's difficult to find homes. You can also use a jill jab (hormone shot) or the DES implant which will prevent her from coming in again until next year. From the pics you've posted she's not ready yet. Both my vassy and my hob would ignore her at this point. The customary time frame is 12 to 16-18 days as mentioned in the previous post. She's a 'bino? You have a 'bino hob to put her to? ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 13:01:52 GMT -5
No they all (3) will go for breeding plan 2016 for kits and they already have some in waitinglist who wanst kits from them. I will keep one each litter probbably myself as well. And Gaia is true albino and will be bred to sable (polecat) Russian line. Gaia is somewhere wild polecat herself and it shows her temper, but I just love her so much! As I told my story how I got her, then her previous owner want to make this breeding with that sable male she brouht last year from Russia. In here we do not have that male bloodline and she wants kits to give coonership. Probbably I take this, will see. As she wants to keep that line. I will add hob photo as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 13:24:15 GMT -5
No they all (3) will go for breeding plan 2016 for kits and they already have some in waitinglist who wanst kits from them. I will keep one each litter probbably myself as well. And Gaia is true albino and will be bred to sable (polecat) Russian line. Gaia is somewhere wild polecat herself and it shows her temper, but I just love her so much! As I told my story how I got her, then her previous owner want to make this breeding with that sable male she brouht last year from Russia. In here we do not have that male bloodline and she wants kits to give coonership. Probbably I take this, will see. As she wants to keep that line. I will add hob photo as well. He's a nice hob, I'd say he's either a dark sable or a polecat hybrid like Gaia. You'll likely get sables/dark sables from him and your 2 sable jills and get light sables and silvers from him your albino jill.
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Post by Heather on Jan 26, 2016 13:24:33 GMT -5
Oh, one thing to note is the wee poley hybrid girls take longer (often, not always) to come in full. I've been seeing consistently 18 to 20 days, sometimes a bit longer. The possible reasoning is that it allows the wee girls to take longer to find a mate in the wild (not like a hob is always available). ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 13:27:48 GMT -5
Oh, one thing to note is the wee poley hybrid girls take longer (often, not always) to come in full. I've been seeing consistently 18 to 20 days, sometimes a bit longer. The possible reasoning is that it allows the wee girls to take longer to find a mate in the wild (not like a hob is always available). ciao That explains why my eu polecat Bandit had a phantom last year when I mated her at 15 days, now I know to wait a little longer before mating her this year
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 13:31:10 GMT -5
He's a nice hob, I'd say he's either a dark sable or a polecat hybrid like Gaia. You'll likely get sables/dark sables from him and your 2 sable jills and get light sables and silvers from him your albino jill. To be honest I haven´t seen is pedigree yet, so I can´t tell for sure. I will mate only Gaia with him, but I thought that I will get sables and albinos but silvers, are you sure? Where this come from as none of them have any silver lines in. I will put separately Käpik and her mate photo and Smokey + her mate photo as well here so you could see them all.
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Post by Heather on Jan 26, 2016 13:31:35 GMT -5
Don't be surprised either if they take themselves out. I thought only Lady Morgaine did this but I discovered, later in the season (after that main spring season) if they come in they can and do arbitrarily take themselves out without the use of a v-hob or jill jab. Don't push the issue too far but it does happen and frequently enough to point that if a hybrid jill figures it's too late in the season to bear kits and raise them safely, she won't ciao
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Post by crazylady on Jan 26, 2016 13:35:57 GMT -5
Hi by mating a bino to a poley you will end up with a split litter of colours which could develop problems if all are ok you will find the litter is lighter than the hob as you are adding in albino ( think mixing half a tin of white paint with half a tin of black = grey or washed out poley) and if your jill does produce a split litter of a few albino and the rest poley remember your bino line is now no longer pure if you go on the continue the line and throw backs will happen you should also explain to future owners that parentage is split as they could be problems if they intend to breed good luck take care bye for now Bev
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 13:42:17 GMT -5
He's a nice hob, I'd say he's either a dark sable or a polecat hybrid like Gaia. You'll likely get sables/dark sables from him and your 2 sable jills and get light sables and silvers from him your albino jill. To be honest I haven´t seen is pedigree yet, so I can´t tell for sure. I will mate only Gaia with him, but I thought that I will get sables and albinos but silvers, are you sure? Where this come from as none of them have any silver lines in. I will put separately Käpik and her mate photo and Smokey + her mate photo as well here so you could see them all. All sable ferrets carry the silver gene, it's a dilute of sable and if bred with the right hob you will get silvers, silvers can also carry sable and produce sable when bred with right hob. Since you're only breeding Gaia with him then you'll get dark sables and sables. Albino will dilute what ever colour you put them too, if you put your albino too cinnamon or chocolate then you'll get champagnes also known as sandy. If you bred your albino with a sable then you'll get silvers, cinnamons, champagnes and maybe even chocolates, if you bred your albino with a black self, then you'd get dark sable and sable. And if you bred her with a silver then you'd get DEWs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 13:43:15 GMT -5
Hi by mating a bino to a poley you will end up with a split litter of colours which could develop problems if all are ok you will find the litter is lighter than the hob as you are adding in albino ( think mixing half a tin of white paint with half a tin of black = grey or washed out poley) and if your jill does produce a split litter of a few albino and the rest poley remember your bino line is now no longer pure if you go on the continue the line and throw backs will happen you should also explain to future owners that parentage is split as they could be problems if they intend to breed good luck take care bye for now Bev Hmm, that´s interesting. It is compleately different in rabbit genetics then. I thought that it is same like rabbit genetics. As in every sable litter you wil find some albinos as sable carries itself albini gene. And you will not get mixed or washout color sables. You will get nice solid sables and albinos. That´s very interesting. Anyone here can give me some good pointers for ferret genetics? Where can I "play" their genetics online or program? I definitely want to read more about ferret color genetics if possible. I will try to put the photos from my other 2 breeding plans. Before it did not let me, I have no clue why? Is it some restriction or something else? Nope, still can´t do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 13:51:08 GMT -5
Don't be surprised either if they take themselves out. I thought only Lady Morgaine did this but I discovered, later in the season (after that main spring season) if they come in they can and do arbitrarily take themselves out without the use of a v-hob or jill jab. Don't push the issue too far but it does happen and frequently enough to point that if a hybrid jill figures it's too late in the season to bear kits and raise them safely, she won't ciao My first ferret Florence who had no polecat in her at all brought herself out of season in her first season, Nancy my albino jill did the same with her previous owner in her first season too, I assume a small amount of ferrets can bring themselves out too but only in their first season. Bandit took forever to come in season last year, she didn't come in season until May unlike the ferrets who came in around late March/early April.
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Post by Heather on Jan 26, 2016 15:26:14 GMT -5
Lady Morgaine is now 5 yrs old, Lady Lola 4. Both jills seem to only consider falsing once per season. Both girls without question can and do bring themselves out. Lady Lola's daughters, we will see. Both girls brought themselves out easily last season (their first). The naughty wee things are thinking about coming in right now. There's a v-hob who is ready and willing so I have no concerns. Their mate has not reached maturity yet but he will hopefully be available for them next season ciao
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