Usually veal should go fine, not a strong taste by itself, so they shouldn't mind to have bits mixed in, fingers crossed!
While rearranging freezer space (I bought day old chicks and needed freezer space) I found rabbit heads deep down in the freezer, my furballs will get brains tomorrow, they absolutely love rabbit organs! Have you tried pieces of rabbit heart and/or liver yet?
I tried some bigger chunks of rabbit heart and they eat it in pate, but not alone. I also chopped off the tips of chicken wings but I am still collecting courage to try to serve this for dinner just to see how they react. I figured tips are not too big and they should be able to chew them.
I offered some chicken wings tips to them this evening. Sigmund was chewing and eating properly, he ate 3 tips and middle parts, Hogar chewed a bit but spit it out and Signy and Loki weren't interested - she wanted to stash it and Loki tried to bite on it but when he realized that there is something firm in it, he decided he is not interested anymore.
After them I gave them rabbit/chicken/liver/heart/bone powder evening meal.
I gave them tips of chicken wings this evening too, Sigmund was a bit reluctant but finally ate two pieces, Hogar ate one piece, was chewing second piece a bit and than gave up, Loki was chewing while I held tip between my fingers but haven't ate anything off and Signy only tried to pull it out from my hand and stash it.
Wing tips are a good start, don't push them too much on bone for the moment, insist in bigger chunks, they need jaw strength to handly bone. I mesure jaw strength in gizzard if they handle 1/2 or 1 gizzard on their own, they can handle bone... they just need to learn the handling by using their paws for longer pieces.
Sigmund is the only one I am sure has immense jaw strength (tried on my wrists and hands). Today he ate six or seven pieces of chicken ribs - I separated them so he ate piece by piece. Afterwards all of them ate their pate. They are still eating chicken legs and thighs deboned and chopped into 2x2 cm pieces for breakfast. I also give them that oil you recommended every 2nd evening.
I am currently unable to get lamb or veal because my butcher sold everything due to holidays but he will have some slaughtered first or second week of new year so I'll get fresh than.
As of Jan 1st, Loki is getting Sucralfate for stomach protection followed by meal and 0.5 mg Medrol (methylprednisolone) mixed into half spoon of his evening meal every 24 hrs. He lost approx 120-150 grams in period between Dec 24th and Dec 31st regardless of increased food intake and portioning it during day. His BG was below 3 mmol/l for few consecutive days.
Around Dec 28th I noticed one or two light stools but I was unable to find out whose is it until yesterday - it is Loki's.
It looks very pale and like it is lacking pigmentation, almost greyish. It reminded me of a case with a ferret whose gallbladder wasn't functioning properly so he had a lack of bilirubine and thus greyish and white stools.
His appetite is good, his behaviour normal.
Other three (Hogar, Signy, Sigmund) are okay. All of them are also on Otonazol+Tactic (miconazole nitrate, prenisolone acetate, polymyxine B sulfate, amitraz) because of ear mites+malassezia infestation. They get it once a day a drop in each ear since Jan 1st.
Yup, less than a week. I will add probiotics (I have Florentero paste for carnivores). He was on antibiotics during Nov due to coughing and sneezing and stuffed nose. Gabi is on vacation until 7th of Jan but I'll send her SMS, she said I can if there is some panic. I think we will have to check his blood definitely and maybe UZV. I'll post pics of the poop when I download them from my mobile to PC. The thing that drives me completely crazy is his appetite and behaviour - as if everything is in proper order. Contact Gabi for Melatonine, I will remind her too.
Loki is scheduled for one more examination and possible surgery at Ljubljana Uni on Tuesday so we are travelling and if he will have to have surgery we will stay there for few days. He has gallbladder stones and completely horrible liver enzymes results.
Stool is negative for parasites, urine is okay, kidney results are normalizing.
Currently he is getting antibiotic/pred/sucralfate, ranitidinum, tramadol when needed for pain control. He eats approx. 100 g of raw puree mixed with chicken and rabbit chunks (small, like pinky fingernail).
I came back from Slovenia last Friday, came down with the flu and raise from the dead few days ago. Loki was on surgery last Tuesday, huge amount of stones removed from his gallbladder and he is recuperating now. He is on severe antibiotic and analgetic therapy, we are scheduled for x ray next Friday to see is the gallbladder clean now or the new stones are already forming. His gallbladder swab presented E. Coli and we are still waiting for stones analysis to come back in order to try to define what caused them. I still feed him raw pate but portioned in four smaller meals through day, it is easier for him at the moment. Others thrive on raw, Hogar gained more than 200 grams. Hogar is 1.5 kilos, Sigmund 1.85 kilos, Signy 0.65 kilos and Loki is 1.1 kilo now, postoperative. I am ready to move to bigger chunks with three of them, while Loki will remain on pate until he fully heals, I don't want to stress him any more than medicines and being away from cagemates does. He is with them during morning and evening but sleeps separately in medium sized transporter until his stitches heals properly. He has big cut on his stomach, from thorax to tip of penis, some 20 stitches or even more, I was unable to count. Today he played for the first time since all his trouble started and I was so happy to see him like that <3
Hi Fretki. I appologize for the delay, wanted to post after I get Loki's blood check and x ray.
On Thursday Loki had checkup at dr Jurkić and his blood check is much better although still not completely normal, some kidney and liver numbers are still off but immensely better than before. Today is 18th days from the surgery, he gained back all his weight and is healing great. Insulinoma therapy is continued since it wasn't operable - nodules are microscopic and inside the pancreas so there was nothing to remove. He still gets some Ipakitine for his kidneys and Thistle milk powder for liver. His x rays came clean - gallbladder is empty.
Others are okay and we are ready to continue with everyone except Loki. His surgery pushed him back - he now eats only pureed meat, heart, liver and bone meal powder, approx 4 times a day, every 4-6 hours. He don't chew except for smallest pieces of meat and refuses to chew chopped chicken leg and thy they get for breakfast each day.
Signy, Sigmund and Hogar are chewing small pieces of heart and meat without a problem for dinner and chicken thy and leg in the morning without problem.
I introduced quail to other four which are eating bone-meat-organs diet and they LOVE IT! So, one more protein for them