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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 13:35:37 GMT -5
Your menu is looking good. I like seeing a red meat on the menu and you have a nice variety. I know Heather will want to see a little less chicken on the menu. It's a common allergen and best to try to limit it as much as possible. That's tough when we need bone in meats and they are hard to find. Can you find Quail or Cornish game hen to help with that? Rabbit is a good small bone meat also but you're already looking for those and duck. Beef intestines (organ) also known as tripe are very very smelly. Avoid the white bleached process ones. You would want the green ones and it will most likely be a battle to get them to eat them. Tripe is a perfect combination of calcium and phosphorus and breeders will feed their kits those for extra nutrients. You have 9 bone in meals. You could actually drop one (unless you have learned that yours do well on nine bone in meals. Duck gizzards are wonderful and a great way to get pricey duck into them. Gizzards are a muscle meat and help to clean teeth and build jaw strength. They're easily found at an Asian Market. I believe you use a Hispanic market right? Have you tried googling "find Asian markets" near your location. You can check Yelp for reviews to see if the market has a meat section. Some Asian markets are mostly dried goods but usually have a freezer section and quail will be in it. This is a good thread to read. holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/13628/dYou're doing great! You and @sveta have down some lovely hard work together. (dance)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 13:48:53 GMT -5
The intestines, you mean the tripe, right? Green tripe is pretty nutritious, but it smells gross and most ferrets don't like it. Dogs sometimes like it. The white one has been stripped and blanched, and it is rather nutritionally empty. For turkey wings, you could feed most of it. The wing tips, and the wing middle should be alright as well, you can give it a couple of hits with a hammer or cleaver. The drumette part is pretty thick though, you can cut off the ends of it for them to eat, but the middle might be a bit too thick. Asian markets have lots of different meats at a reasonable price. Or depending on where you live, you can try contacting farms if they have culled stock, or hunters often have extra meat that they don't need (mainly organ things, or scrap meats). Ferrets aren't very choosy with picking the highest quality cuts
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 11:12:41 GMT -5
Hello We think that you are almost ready to graduate the mentoring program You have a good menu, and now the only thing left is to ask you a couple of questions (our very formal exam ) to see that you have all the information. That is, if you feel ready If not then we can continue to work with you, until you feel the time is right to graduate this And keep in mind that even after the switch, you can still ask us any question. You can contact us personally, on the forum or FB
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 11:52:53 GMT -5
I'm ready I'm ready!! Ask away!! ^^
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 12:35:19 GMT -5
Taurine
What are some good emergency taurine sources if you run out of heart?
Does freezing degrade taurine? Does heat?
Bone
How can you tell if your ferret is getting too much or too little bone?
List 3 sources of edible bone.
Variety
What counts as a "different protein source?"
Organs
List 3 organs aside from liver.
Balanace
Is it a good idea to mix muscle meat, bone in and organs all in one meal. If so, why? If not, why?
Health
What is a Normal Fasting Blood Glucose level?
General
Are leaner meats better for your ferret or fattier meats? Is dark or white meat a better purchase choice?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 14:35:16 GMT -5
Great test @sveta Okay @onyxrose We know you can ace this. (dance)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 0:38:16 GMT -5
Taurine
What are some good emergency taurine sources if you run out of heart? -Tongue -Lungs -Kidney
Does freezing degrade taurine? Does heat? It does not degrade when frozen but it does when heated.
Bone
How can you tell if your ferret is getting too much or too little bone? -Too much is dried, dehydrated looking poops -Too little is runny and dark
List 3 sources of edible bone. -Turkey neck -Rabbit rib tips -Duck back
Variety
What counts as a "different protein source?" -Something other than chicken, IE: duck, veal, venison, beef, pork, rabbit, etc.
Organs
List 3 organs aside from liver. -Kidney -Gizzard -Pancreas
Balanace
Is it a good idea to mix muscle meat, bone in and organs all in one meal. If so, why? If not, why? -No it is not, due to if you have all three, one of them will be eaten more than the others, causing some to go bad, and not be eaten at all. Causing an imbalance of nutrition in their digestive tract which leads to poor poopies.
Health
What is a Normal Fasting Blood Glucose level? -Between 80-125. Anything below a 70 is in need of vetting immediately for concerns of insulinoma.
General
Are leaner meats better for your ferret or fattier meats? Is dark or white meat a better purchase choice? -Fattier meats are better, because they break down the fat into energy. -Dark meat due to the blood content having more nutrition than the white meat which gets very little blood flow.
Yey!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 10:07:02 GMT -5
TaurineWhat are some good emergency taurine sources if you run out of heart? - Tongue-Lungs -Kidney Beef tongue more specifically. We don't have the information for other animals (last time I checked, I'll ask the other mentors if they have new info). If you have trouble buying heart or beef tongue, you can also buy Taurine powder and measure out 500mg per ferret per day. Taurine accumulates in muscles that are most often active, and what could be more active than a muscle that never stops moving?
Taurine is something you don't have to worry about overfeeding, because it's water soluble it gets eliminated through the urine. Does freezing degrade taurine? Does heat? It does not degrade when frozen but it does when heated. Perfect
BoneHow can you tell if your ferret is getting too much or too little bone? -Too much is dried, dehydrated looking poops -Too little is runny and darkDark poop is just the amount of blood in the meat that they had, fat makes for lighter poop. Light stools could still be too loose.
Every once in a while you can substitute a bone meal for a cartilage one, cartilage is very good for their joints.
List 3 sources of edible bone. -Turkey neck -Rabbit rib tips -Duck back With Rabbit you can give the whole ribs to them, technically they manage any part of the rabbit except legs (need a couple of cleaver hits), and heads are a bit too tough for them.
VarietyWhat counts as a "different protein source?" -Something other than chicken, IE: duck, veal, venison, beef, pork, rabbit, etc.Pretty much Different protein means different species of animal, so veal and beef are technically one protein, so is chicken and cornish game hen.
OrgansList 3 organs aside from liver. -Kidney-Gizzard-PancreasGizzards are in the muscle meat category. They are great for cleaning teeth and strengthening jaw muscles, but they don't have the required nutrients to be in the organ category.
Organs must be hormone secreting organs, the ones other than liver are - Kidney, spleen, pancreas, gallbladder, brain, uterus, testicles, and major glands: thymus, thyroid, parathyroid.
You can also substitute organ for lung, once in a while. Lungs are also very nutritious, but don't qualify for regular feedings.
BalanaceIs it a good idea to mix muscle meat, bone in and organs all in one meal. If so, why? If not, why? -No it is not, due to if you have all three, one of them will be eaten more than the others, causing some to go bad, and not be eaten at all. Causing an imbalance of nutrition in their digestive tract which leads to poor poopies.You have it Ferrets are picky, and it's best not to leave the diet balancing up to them
HealthWhat is a Normal Fasting Blood Glucose level? -Between 80-125. Anything below a 70 is in need of vetting immediately for concerns of insulinoma.Correct. With anything below 50 you are pretty much guaranteed insulinoma.
GeneralAre leaner meats better for your ferret or fattier meats? Is dark or white meat a better purchase choice? -Fattier meats are better, because they break down the fat into energy. -Dark meat due to the blood content having more nutrition than the white meat which gets very little blood flow.Fatty and dark meat is better but white lean meats can still be fed still better than kibble!Yey!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 10:08:03 GMT -5
We are going to let @poncesmom take a look at the test as well. The red highlights are incorrect, but most of everything is all good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 10:29:40 GMT -5
Yeah I was stuck a little on the gizzards but for the life of me I couldn't remember any other organs. Now that I see the list its like..duh how could I have missed that? Lol and the part about the white and dark meat was meant to say runny or dark (heart/organ poops).
As for the veal I guess I considered it two different because veal Is baby cow. Don't know what I was thinking there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 11:09:12 GMT -5
@onyxrose
You did well on your test. @sveta pointed out a few corrections and of course, she is right.
I'll put my two cents in also.
Taurine What are some good emergency taurine sources if you run out of heart? -Tongue -Lungs -Kidney
Interestingly enough, Taurine is being considered in studies as way to possibly reverse lung damage or injuries.
Patients with high end renal failure in kidneys are reported to have low amounts of Taurine in their systems.
The answers we were looking for were Tongue and Supplementation and you had Tongue so that's great.
Bone How can you tell if your ferret is getting too much or too little bone? -Too much is dried, dehydrated looking poops -Too little is runny and dark
Too much bone results in very dry white and chalky looking bones. Too little results in runny loose poops and when organs make for loose poops then they are dark so you're right in that regards.
Organs List 3 organs aside from liver. -Kidney -Gizzard -Pancreas
It's easy to mistake Gizzards as an Organ but for our purposes Organs are Hormone Secreting Organs and gizzard is a muscle meat as Sveta pointed out.
As for the veal I guess I considered it two different because veal Is baby cow. Don't know what I was thinking there.
One note about Veal. It's very lean and also expensive. Remember that fat equals energy for ferrets. It is a baby cow and so it is Beef. Just like Cornish game hen is a small breed of chicken and that is why Heather likes to see a variety of Bone in meats that are not just Chicken and Cornish Game hen.
Once I see Heather has approved your menu then you will be officially Graduated. Sveta would you like to announce this and I will change Brandy's status to Raw Feeder once I make sure that the menu was approved?
Brandy, you really did very well and should be quite proud of yourself. I've seen a few posts on FB where you have helped others. You have a good grasp of what you need to know for feeding your ferrets and they are lucky little ones to have you. Please give them a big hug and tell them that we are proud of them also.
(dance)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 11:24:48 GMT -5
Yey! Thank you both for being so helpful!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 11:38:42 GMT -5
Once I see that Heather has approved your menu, you will see your status changed and the Congratulations thread will have your name on it. Just give Heather a day or so to get back to us. :thumbsup:
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Post by Heather on Jan 15, 2016 17:27:34 GMT -5
Congratulations You've graduated and you're ready to walk this path alone :wave3: You have the foundation to help you feed your fuzzes in a more natural and healthy manner. Please remember that your learning never stops, and dietary needs change from ferret to ferret and throughout each their lives. I do have concerns with the reliance on chicken but you have tried to use bone in turkey too. I don't know of the cost but rabbit and duck also works and broadens your little one's protein use. Don't fall into the issue where you only use chicken as a predominant protein. I would like you to be aware that though you now have the capability and the knowledge to create your little ones diets, you are never alone and that your mentor (you need only pm) is always available to you. The list is also a very good resource and you should always be aware that it's available to answer any questions you may have either about diet or care. Good luck, in a few days Sherry will lock down this thread and place it in the archives but be aware that you can always look through it as a reference tool but you just will not be able to post to it. Your mentor will be in to congratulate you shortly :boing: :goodjob: ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 17:54:37 GMT -5
@onyxrose
Congratulations and I am so proud of the work that you and @sveta have done. We will always be here for you and happy to answer any questions or concerns that you might have as you move along on your new path as a Raw Feeder. I'm off to change your status and post your name to the Congratulations to our Graduates of 2016 thread.
Lovely Job Ferrenting and Big Hugs to all of you. (dance)
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