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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 23:43:53 GMT -5
I'll do dried chicken liver, he carries around a milk bone ( he snag it from my lab and he uses it to hide around the house actually never eats it lol ) oil, turkey baby food, ferrovite but he doesn't get his dosage lol he just gets to lick it
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Post by FireAngel on Sept 5, 2015 20:51:41 GMT -5
If he is eating his treats but not his meals well, I would cut the treats. He will get the liver as part of his balanced meals and the baby food is not needed really unless he becomes sick. What kind of oil is he getting? I would still ditch the ferrevite ASAP even if he is on,y licking it. Sugar is bad for him. I'm glad he doesn't eat the dog treat but I would try not to let him get it anyway. You never know when he will decide it's time to taste it.
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Post by Celene on Sept 6, 2015 19:30:01 GMT -5
Please throw the ferretvite and the milk bones straight into the garbage! (milk bones aren't good for dogs either.) Even a couple licks each day of ferretvite is really hard on Gizmo's pancreas due to the high sugar levels.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 19:32:13 GMT -5
He has been doing great, eating a bowl or two a day of chunky chicken and turkey. (Egg shells included) doesn't seem to be eating today. He had his last meal yesterday after noon. Seems to be eating-- ferretvite, and treats but doesn't seem to want his food. Think of Gizmo as a two year old toddler. They are just as smart. He is going to hold out for treats and not eat his healthy meals, if he knows you will give in to him. If you'll allow me a small note: Ferretvite is simply full of sugar. You don't want him developing a sweet tooth. Plus it puts so much stress on the pancreas. Insulinoma is a terrible disease and expensive. Ferrets simply are not designed to process fruits/grains/starches or veggies. I know he looks adorable with his milkbone but he will end up eating it or swallowing it. We sound like meanies but we only want what's best for the little ones like Gizmo. Most of us have made our own mistakes and paid the price. Now we want to help other ferrents avoid our mistakes. That's why the HFF exists.  |
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Post by Sherry on Sept 7, 2015 1:30:26 GMT -5
Ferrevite= insulinoma in a tube. And you will never know which lick was the one too many, and set it off. I triggered a malignant insulinoma in one of mine from daily use of about 1/4 tsp pure oumpkin. She was raw fed from 5 m old. It was simply given for fiber. Unfortunately she was evidently genetically prone to it. It is the reason she died at 4  As for milkbones, almost as bad. I won't even give them to dogs  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 23:17:23 GMT -5
We have successfully had Cornish hens now several meals of bone in and he is chowing down, nothing left. So I have been filling his bowl up when I notice it is empty.
My question is regarding use of raw egg to help introduce new protons-- like tonight I gave him pork for the first time and have it all a toss of egg -- what I'd like to know is how long can I keep the food in his cage ?? How long can I keep the liquid egg in the fridge??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 23:35:45 GMT -5
My guy is a punk and likes a little egg on top of his soup when I give it to him, so I've been whisking an entire egg and only using small portions of it. I keep the rest of it in a plastic container. I've kept it up to 2 days with no problems before using all of it. Might want to get a confirmation if a little bit of egg everyday is ok, since the recommendation here seems to be 1/week or 2/week during shedding season.
If you're making soup with the pork and mixing in some egg, I don't see why it wouldn't last as long as the regular soup does, about 6-8 hours. I dipped a piece of chicken thigh in egg to entice (yeah, no go on that one) and it looked like the meat got a weird darker hue to it after a few hours, although I left it in the cage for about 20 hours without any funky smell... it kind of looked like jerky though. Again, this all needs to be confirmed with someone with more experience, but that's been my experience so far.
Also, super jelly your guy is transitioning no problem.. mines a brat and I started switching him at 6 months old =.=
Also Also, I think you have a sable mitt, not a panda ;-)
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Post by raynebc on Sept 10, 2015 2:25:58 GMT -5
A panda will generally have a completely white head. Here's one from my business:  |
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Post by FireAngel on Sept 10, 2015 7:11:07 GMT -5
Here are the time frames for how long food is good for,
Raw soupie is good for 6-8 hours
Muscle meats up to 12 hours
Bone In meats up to 24 hours
Whole prey is good for 48 hours.
These frames are room temp dependent and dependent on freshness of meat so trust your nose if it smells rank get rid of it but in general ferrets will not eat it if it is bad and what smells bad to us may actually still be good to them. (I toss it through if it smells bad to me.)
It is fine to give one egg every week during non shedding season and two a week during shedding season. You can certainly whisk it up and use a little every day, just make sure to re whisk before portioning.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 15:17:36 GMT -5
im just using it as a way to get him to try new stuff. other then the "let me scruff you and make you taste this", its funny he is getting to the point he spits it out and has to go back and make sure he doesnt like it!! ( yes he is worse than a 2 year old lol ) he is actually doing really really well. he isnt eating bone all that well, as much as i would like to see.
i did get some chicken jerky ( 100% chicken jerkey treats ) he wont touch them.
he isnt doing well with the 4 hour route ( having an empty bowl ) but seems to eat it all in 12 hrs. im not weighing it just keep his bowl full. ( am i doing bad since he is still young??)
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Post by FireAngel on Sept 11, 2015 12:06:55 GMT -5
It is perfectly fine to use the egg to help him eat new things.
I'm not sure what 4 hour route you are referring to. There is no reason for him to have an empty bowl if he is not eating any more kibble and if he is eating his raw fine then there is no reason for anymore kibble anyway so back to the no reason for an empty bowl thing.
It is good to weigh what he eats so that you can plan well. I think that you have done great, you have asked us for advice, answered questions honestly and did not get offended and upset when we have given you honest answers in return, so unless you are just letting us talk and ignoring us in the end (I don't think you are) nope I think you are doing fine!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 14:33:29 GMT -5
QUESTION ABOUT BONES! he seems to be eating good-- he has had pork, chicken, turkey, Cornish hen, salmon. but he seems to be only eating the bones of the Cornish hen. ( doesnt matter the type of bones-- wing, tip, what not) should i be upping is cornish hen meals? or should i just be letting him deal with it ?? he will strip the meat but doesnt touch the bones.
i am dusting alot of his meat with egg shell powder-- his bone meal should be here Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 14:46:09 GMT -5
Can you find Quail? That's a nice tiny bone and a great beginner bone.
With the other bones, try smashing them into tiny pieces about the size of your thumbnail.
You can also smash bones like turkey or duck wings and then run them through the food processor.
Do this for a few weeks and let him get use to the proteins and then start slowly adding larger pieces on top of the smashed ones.
Bone In meals are 7-9 a week. If you need to use more CGH then do so and keep looking
We do want a minimum of 3 proteins a week, so get some variety in the muscle meat and organ category.
The one thing you don't want is for Gizmo to have chicken heavy meals.
Chicken is a common allergen/intolerance, so try to avoid alot of chicken.
Pick up some gizzards, look for duck gizzards and let him have those to help build up his jaw strength.
You also want one red meat meal a week for Iron and Vitamin B.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 16:56:56 GMT -5
he is getting a leg of Cornish hen tonight for dinner and im also giving him a chicken thigh ( i know he cant eat the bone but my hope is it will serve as a rec bone and maybe some bone ) bone in piece to help his chewing skills increase.
so just got back from shopping they had turkey necks on sale ( 3 for 2 bucks ) so of course i bought them lol my question is can a turkey neck be his meal for the day?? or should i still cut it up and give him it in stages-- my hope is he realizes this is it for they day so chow down lol
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Post by FireAngel on Sept 11, 2015 19:38:19 GMT -5
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