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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 3:50:58 GMT -5
I'm going to do the same thing later, and tomorrow until haru can eat it by herself. Such great progress with her bone eating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 6:07:53 GMT -5
I just noticed that Haru's left tooth seems almost like its been chipped. Does it look okay or should I get a vet to check it out? ;A; Yuki's teeth are so big compared to hers. They're so nice and white! I think maybe I should brush Haru's teeth... Would that make the yellow go away? I think Haru's tooth was chipped before I got her. Would it affect her eating? I have noticed she eats slower compared to Yuki. Also I noticed theres alittle dark spot on Yuki's right third tooth. Anyway, how do you think they look? I'm hoping that as soon as Haru starts eating bone-in meat more, that it will make her teeth nice and healthy. ^u^
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 8:18:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 9:04:25 GMT -5
Are we both awake at the same time? Wow! Haru's tooth does look chipped. That's not uncommon, I have seen others look like that and with no effect of eating. I'll post to the Mentors board though and ask what they think. Bushing would be a good idea at least until Yuki and Haru are eating bone regularly. There are some good products. These ones don't look bad and come with a toothbrush: www.petsmart.com/cat/dental-care/arm-hammer-advanced-pet-care-cat-toothpaste-brush-set-zid36-5191065/cat-36-catid-200005?_t=pfm%3Dcategory
www.petsmart.com/cat/dental-care/hc-petrodex-cat-dental-kit-zid36-5190866/cat-36-catid-200005?_t=pfm%3Dcategory
This is everyone's favorite, but it's a few more bucks ($13) www.oxyfresh.com/pet/pet-gel-healing-cream.asp
This one is $5 www.amazon.com/Enzadent-Pet-Toothpaste-Poultry-Flavor/dp/B002TN33NW/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1414603175&sr=8-11&keywords=cat+toothpaste
(ingredients on this page: www.drugs.com/vet/enzadent-enzymatic-toothpaste.html)
Read the ingredients as some of them (not the ones linked!) have melaleuca (tea tree) oil which is toxic to them.
One other way is to use some eggshell powder and add a drop of oil to make it a paste. Then using gauze and the paste, wipe over the teeth.
Yuki's teeth are nice and white. Lovely. Something caught my interest with a topic in a ferret fb group. It was regarding salt and pork. How much salt is too much when it comes to ferrets? I looked at some threads on here and i found out that pork can sometimes have salt enhancers and that it can be soaked to rid the salt etc. Is salt generally bad for ferrets if they consume too much salt? Since pork is okay to feed them, what should I watch out for if it has salt?
Avoid those salted/flavored porks. Usually if it is salted or flavored, it will come in an enclosed plastic bag and say added flavorings. Pork that is all natural should be in a styrofoam bottom plate and wrapped with clear wrapping. If in doubt ask your butcher. All deli meats/bacon/ham/ and such are salted and should be avoided. I just ordered Frozen Pinky Mice 10 Pack ($7.55) & Frozen Fuzzy Mice 10 Pack ($9.95) so I can trial those when i get them~ ^u^
I can't wait to hear how they go over. The pinkies as you know are a treat. The adult mice will be a meal. If you add grown mice to their meals, we will adjust the Frankenprey menu and organ percentages to account for this. The idea is to simply subtract those meals from the Frankenprey meals and adjust organ percentages to remain at five percent liver/five percent other organ and ten percent heart on the remaining Frankenprey meals. Does that make sense? Let's spend the next few days talking about Frankenprey. I have shown you some basic info. What I would like to do, is have you build a basic menu. That often points out what you are unsure of. Here is the weekly Frankenprey model. Please build a menu and you can be creative, it doesn't have to include what you have in your freezer. 7-9 Meals of Bone In meats 3-4 Meals of Muscle Meats 1 Organ meal 1 Organ meal and a half meal of HeartsWorking with that, what would you do in a weekly menu? I'll check back in later. Give Yuki and Haru a hug and tell them both that they are doing so well. :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 12:31:51 GMT -5
I heard back from Sherry about Haru's tooth. She says unless there is an issue with it, a vet visit is not necessary. We'll know more when we move to more Bone In meals, but I don't think it will cause a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 12:35:34 GMT -5
Are we both awake at the same time? Wow!
I shouldn't really be up right now<.< haha! (I think I'm catching a cold ;n;) Haru's tooth does look chipped. That's not uncommon, I have seen others look like that and with no effect of eating. I'll post to the Mentors board though and ask what they think.Bushing would be a good idea at least until Yuki and Haru are eating bone regularly.It really does. I wasn't able to get the courage to get my fingers anywhere near those little jaws until only recently. I think I've built a strong trust with them now. I noticed in other ferret photos that some ferrets get chipped teeth. Do you think it could have been from the kibble she was fed before I got her? I'm getting that impression since I read that Bob Church article. She's having no issues with eating. In fact I've sat with her twice now while hand feeding her that chicken wing and she was crunching away on both sides. I'm sure if it was hurting her, she wouldn't dare eat. I know I wouldn't. It would be too painful. ;A; The only other concern I have with her teeth is the yellow stuff, which I assume is tartar build up. I'll get some brushes for the ferrets (Even for yuki, even though it may not be needed as of yet) and start tackling Haru's teeth I want to avoid her getting gingivitis or any other oral diseases. I'm sure, as she starts eating more bone-in meats that she'll need less brushing and hopefully a much healthy happier pearly whites. ^u^ Thanks for sharing with the others! I also have a video of Haru eating the wingette and you can hear the bones crunching. I used to hate that sound but now its like music to my ears. >3< I'll show you later! I'll check those out now. I may not be able to buy them from overseas though, since I'm unsure if they would pass our customs. But I'll search if I can get any of those here, online or an alternative. If I'm unsure about ingredients, I'll run it by you first. It's always better to be safe then risk their precious little lives. ;u; I might also ring our vet clinic and ask if they have any of those or if they could recommend something. ^u^ Yuki's teeth are nice and white. Lovely."He has a gorgeous set of teeth" My roommates exact words. I have to agree his teeth are lovely. Hopefully they stay nice and healthy for his entire life. ^u^ My vet clinic does teeth cleanings for ferrets also. Is that something that should be done once or twice a year? Avoid those salted/flavored porks. Usually if it is salted or flavored, it will come in an enclosed plastic bag and say added flavorings. Pork that is all natural should be in a styrofoam bottom plate and wrapped with clear wrapping. If in doubt ask your butcher.All deli meats/bacon/ham/ and such are salted and should be avoided.The ones I get are always with a styrofoam plate and it also has those little freshness bag thingies at the bottom. I don't get any ones that have flavourings or say anything about added salts. ^^ I stay away from processed meats. That was my first thought that they should be avoided when looking for meat. ^^ I can't wait to hear how they go over. The pinkies as you know are a treat. The adult mice will be a meal. If you add grown mice to their meals, we will adjust the Frankenprey menu and organ percentages to account for this. The idea is to simply subtract those meals from the Frankenprey meals and adjust organ percentages to remain at five percent liver/five percent other organ and ten percent heart on the remaining Frankenprey meals. Does that make sense?
I'm excited and slightly grossed out, but like the meats, I'll get over it. ^u^ My roommate was like "you're not going to feed them those all the time are you?" she's probably alittle upset since they're baby animals, but I said "You eat Lamb..." I made my point and she's now sort of okay with the idea. If it all goes well, I should be able to eventually feed them a frozen mouse once a week and pinkies as treats. I'm alittle confused by the subtracting part of things, but I guess I'll learn to do that as we go with the flow. It still depends on how much a whole prey would weigh wouldn't it? I'm not sure how much a fuzzy would weigh, But I'm assuming about 3-5 grams (I'll weigh them when I get them). Haru & Yuki would have one eat of the fuzzies, so would that be substituted as one meal? Let's spend the next few days talking about Frankenprey. I have shown you some basic info. What I would like to do, is have you build a basic menu. That often points out what you are unsure of. Here is the weekly Frankenprey model. Please build a menu and you can be creative, it doesn't have to include what you have in your freezer.
Awesome! I'll try my best. I think I have a good understanding of it now. ^u^ 7-9 Meals of Bone In meats 3-4 Meals of Muscle Meats 1 Organ meal 1 Organ meal and a half meal of HeartsWorking with that, what would you do in a weekly menu?
Okay! Mon: Bone-In Meat. AM- Chicken Necks. PM- Quail. Tues: Bone-In Meat / Muscle Meat. AM- Chicken Necks. PM- Pork. Wed: Bone-In Meat / Muscle Meat. (Egg Day) AM- Lamb Hearts. PM- Chicken Wings. Thurs: Organ / Bone-In Meat. AM- Liver. PM- Chicken Necks. Friday: Bone-In Meat / Muscle Meat. AM- Pork Ribs. PM- Gizzard (Turkey or Duck) & Turkey Mince. Sat: Organ / Bone-In Meat. AM- Beef Kidney + Hearts. PM- Chicken Wings. Sun: Bone-In Meat. AM- Quail. PM- Chicken Necks.
It still seems alittle chicken heavy but I'm not sure what to substitute the wings or necks with. Are there any more types of Bone-in meats that are easily available at a supermarket since I have no local asian markets? I might also order any others in since I'm able to do so. ^^ I'll check back in later. Give Yuki and Haru a hug and tell them both that they are doing so well. :wave3:They've been getting lots of hugs >3< They're doing so well. I'm so proud of them! They're getting some new toys and stuff soon~ I ordered a tunnel thats 20 feet long I think and I also got them that marshall's octopus hidey hole toy. >3< They're going to love it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 12:37:34 GMT -5
I heard back from Sherry about Haru's tooth. She says unless there is an issue with it, a vet visit is not necessary. We'll know more when we move to more Bone In meals, but I don't think it will cause a problem. There doesn't seem to be any problems so far. ^^ Is there anything I should look out for if it were to become a problem?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 14:04:15 GMT -5
Just from hearing other Ferrents talk about teeth and dental issues, it would be a refusal or inability to eat bone. That's a small chip on the front canine. Ferrets tear with their teeth and chew with their back teeth.
Heather also said there should be no problems. So, don't let it worry you. Checking their teeth should be routine anyway, keep an eye on it as Haru gets older.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 8:16:17 GMT -5
Okay ^^ I hand fed her today and tonight, she handled chicken necks very well.same with yuki. ^^ we ran out of wings so I thought I would give the necks a go. They're both not eating it by themselves though but I'm sure they'll get there. ^^
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 8:17:27 GMT -5
Oh! I started training them both to spin. They're catching on so fast. ^^
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 11:49:07 GMT -5
Good Morning (dance) I shouldn't really be up right now<.< haha! (I think I'm catching a cold ;n;)
I'm sorry about your cold, that's no fun. Ferrets can't catch our colds, but can catch the flu. Do you think it could have been from the kibble she was fed before I got her? I'm getting that impression since I read that Bob Church article. She's having no issues with eating. In fact I've sat with her twice now while hand feeding her that chicken wing and she was crunching away on both sides. I'm sure if it was hurting her, she wouldn't dare eat. I know I wouldn't. It would be too painful. ;A; The only other concern I have with her teeth is the yellow stuff, which I assume is tartar build up. I'll get some brushes for the ferrets (Even for yuki, even though it may not be needed as of yet) and start tackling Haru's teeth I want to avoid her getting gingivitis or any other oral diseases. I'm sure, as she starts eating more bone-in meats that she'll need less brushing and hopefully a much healthy happier pearly whites. ^u^ Thanks for sharing with the others!
I don't know why she would have a chipped tooth. It might be kibble or she might have chewed on something tough like a cage bar. I think it's a good idea to get rid of the plaque now and then her teeth will stay nice and clean eating bone. Plaque can also lead to heart disease, so we don't want it and we don't want them to have it. If you can't find those products, I can ask about some others. Therese in Australia may know of some. I also have a video of Haru eating the wingette and you can hear the bones crunching. I used to hate that sound but now its like music to my ears. >3< I'll show you later!
It's a wonderful sound. Good for Haru, I'm so proud of her. "He has a gorgeous set of teeth" My roommates exact words. I have to agree his teeth are lovely. Hopefully they stay nice and healthy for his entire life. ^u^ My vet clinic does teeth cleanings for ferrets also. Is that something that should be done once or twice a year?
He really does have lovely teeth. If they are eating bone, then twice a year wouldn't be necessary. I would ask at your yearly wellness check. It would be a good idea to have your vet check out the inside of their mouth anyway. The ones I get are always with a styrofoam plate and it also has those little freshness bag thingies at the bottom. I don't get any ones that have flavourings or say anything about added salts. ^^ I stay away from processed meats. That was my first thought that they should be avoided when looking for meat. ^^
Good. It's amazing how many people want to feed them bacon or deli meats. I'm excited and slightly grossed out, but like the meats, I'll get over it. ^u^ My roommate was like "you're not going to feed them those all the time are you?" she's probably alittle upset since they're baby animals, but I said "You eat Lamb..." I made my point and she's now sort of okay with the idea. If it all goes well, I should be able to eventually feed them a frozen mouse once a week and pinkies as treats. I'm alittle confused by the subtracting part of things, but I guess I'll learn to do that as we go with the flow. It still depends on how much a whole prey would weigh wouldn't it? I'm not sure how much a fuzzy would weigh, But I'm assuming about 3-5 grams (I'll weigh them when I get them). Haru & Yuki would have one eat of the fuzzies, so would that be substituted as one meal?
Lamb and Veal...we are all so funny about certain things. In my town, we have more cows than people. I see baby calves everywhere and think, Oh! They are so cute. Then I go out and eat them somewhere. Celene wrote a wonderful thread with a chart on balancing Frankenprey with whole prey. See if this helps explain it. The idea is to simply subtract the whole prey meal from the fourteen meals and then adjust your organ intake on the remaining meals. One each would be a full meal, and they may actually be able to eat two, but probably not. Yuki may eat more since he is a boy, but Haru has a smaller appetite as a female. holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/17989/balancing-frankenprey-diets-prey-grindsOkay, let's look at your Menu: Mon: Bone-In Meat. AM- Chicken Necks. PM- Quail.
That looks good. Expect Necks to be difficult at first. They may need some smashing. Tues: Bone-In Meat / Muscle Meat. AM- Chicken Necks. PM- Pork.
That looks very good. You could consider turkey/duck necks (again, tough for beginners) Maybe Cornish game hen or rabbit would be available Wed: Bone-In Meat / Muscle Meat. (Egg Day) AM- Lamb Hearts.PM- Chicken Wings.
Very Good. Thurs: Organ / Bone-In Meat. AM- Liver.This meal is an Organ meal and you want Liver plus another Organ. Kidney/brains/thymus/spleen/pancreas PM- Chicken Necks.
that's fine and continue to look for other Bone In sources. Friday: Bone-In Meat / Muscle Meat. AM- Pork Ribs.Pork ribs will be tough. some ferrets can handle them, but you want a small rib or pork buttons. PM- Gizzard (Turkey or Duck) & Turkey Mince.
Terrific, I love gizzards as you know. Sat: Organ / Bone-In Meat. AM- Beef Kidney + Hearts.Here you want 1/4 part of Liver plus 1/4 part of Other organ and a half meal of Hearts (muscle meat) PM- Chicken Wings.
Sun: Bone-In Meat. AM- Quail. PM- Chicken Necks. That's a very good first menu: I count: 9 bone in meals. Watch poops, some need more bone and some need less. If poops are too firm, use less Bone In meals and replace one with a muscle meat If poops are loose, stay at the 9 bone In meals and consider using bone meal powder. You will have loose poops after any organ or heart meal. You have 3 muscle meat meals. Including a full heart meal and a beef meal. Very Good. You have your two Organ meals including one with a half meal of hearts. Very good. Just remember that you want Liver plus another Organ. Five percent liver and five percent Other Organ. I count 6 proteins. Chicken/Quail/Pork/Lamb/Beef and Duck or Turkey. You did great. Much better on your first menu than I did. (shy It still seems alittle chicken heavy but I'm not sure what to substitute the wings or necks with. Are there any more types of Bone-in meats that are easily available at a supermarket since I have no local asian markets? I might also order any others in since I'm able to do so. ^^
For Bone In ideas, remember you may be feeding mice also. Here is a list of Bone In ideas: Bone in- meat with consumable bones. Some ferrets can handle larger bones, some will need small bones from the size of a chicken or smaller. Exceptions are neck and tail bones. Some ferrets CAN eat the weight bearing bones from things like rabbit and chicken, but most won't bother with them. It will sometimes work better if you smash the thigh/leg bones from chickens. Good examples are: chicken necks/wings/spines, turkey wing tips/ribs/necks, duck wing tips/ribs/necks, pork rib ends/riblets, some will eat pork neck, ox tail, most adult whole prey(rabbit/mice/rats/quail/gerbil/hamster/guinea pig). They've been getting lots of hugs >3< They're doing so well. I'm so proud of them! They're getting some new toys and stuff soon~ I ordered a tunnel thats 20 feet long I think and I also got them that marshall's octopus hidey hole toy. >3< They're going to love it.Tunnels are the best. That octopus is such a cute toy. I've also seen turtles and sharks. You did wonderful. Okay, one small pop quiz question. Why do we want them to have at least one red meat meal a week? :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 6:25:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry about your cold, that's no fun.Ferrets can't catch our colds, but can catch the flu.I feel alot better now. My roommate went last night and got me some medication so I think I may have tackled it early. ^u^ I'm glad I found out about Ferrets not being able to catch human colds. I think I'll still be cautious though and possibly use disposable gloves when handling meats or feeding them. If there's no one else available and I do have the flu in the future, how could I be able to do things like prepping meals or feeding, playing with them? Should I limit my contact with them and possibly use a mask, gloves etc? I don't know why she would have a chipped tooth. It might be kibble or she might have chewed on something tough like a cage bar.Its kind of hard to imagine a tooth being chipped so easily. She wasn't on a very good diet before I go her. Does a good diet also strengthen the teeth? I think it's a good idea to get rid of the plaque now and then her teeth will stay nice and clean eating bone.Plaque can also lead to heart disease, so we don't want it and we don't want them to have it.If you can't find those products, I can ask about some others. Therese in Australia may know of some.Oh yes, I read about how plaque can lead to heart disease. Heart disease is nasty.;n; I was looking at a product yesterday in store, could you tell me how the ingredients look? The pet tooth paste's ingredients: Sorbitol, Water, Silica, Glycerin, Cellulose Gum, Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Sodium Copper Chlorophyllin, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Tetrasodium Pyrophosphate, Flavor, Titanium Dioxide, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate Its called Nylabone Advanced Oral Care. I think the one I was looking at was the puppy one. There was another, but it had things like aloe vera and added essential oils which was a big red light for me. Who puts essential oils in pet tooth paste anyway.... (headwall) It's a wonderful sound. Good for Haru, I'm so proud of her.She did so well >3< http://instagr.am/p/6CiLPePwoa He really does have lovely teeth. If they are eating bone, then twice a year wouldn't be necessary. I would ask at your yearly wellness check. It would be a good idea to have your vet check out the inside of their mouth anyway.
Thats great! >3< Yeah, I would have the vet check their teeth out. It would be good, just incase anything is missed. Good. It's amazing how many people want to feed them bacon or deli meats.It makes me shudder that there are people that feed their ferrets fruits and vegies let alone Deli processed meats meats. ;A; Lamb and Veal...we are all so funny about certain things. In my town, we have more cows than people. I see baby calves everywhere and think, Oh! They are so cute. Then I go out and eat them somewhere.I think it would be slightly different feel to eat something that still looks like a whole animal. I've seen some people eat from a full fish, head and all. (I think maybe some people do that with piggies as well) I wouldn't be able to do that without feeling horrible and or loss of appetite.. (I actually don't really eat fish anyway) Speaking of fish, Can ferrets eat the heads and bones of raw fresh water fish? I was reading that salt water fish is a no go because of the salt. (unless it can be soaked or something possibly?) Celene wrote a wonderful thread with a chart on balancing Frankenprey with whole prey. See if this helps explain it. The idea is to simply subtract the whole prey meal from the fourteen meals and then adjust your organ intake on the remaining meals. One each would be a full meal, and they may actually be able to eat two, but probably not. Yuki may eat more since he is a boy, but Haru has a smaller appetite as a female. holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/17989/balancing-frankenprey-diets-prey-grindsI'll check this out shortly. ^u^ I'm sure it will be a great read for studying. Okay, let's look at your Menu:Mon: Bone-In Meat.AM- Chicken Necks.PM- Quail.That looks good. Expect Necks to be difficult at first. They may need some smashing.Yuki can eat necks alright as they are, but with Haru I chop them up to an easier size for Haru. I gave her necks tonight and she ate them well. ^^ Tues: Bone-In Meat / Muscle Meat.AM- Chicken Necks.PM- Pork. That looks very good. You could consider turkey/duck necks (again, tough for beginners)Maybe Cornish game hen or rabbit would be availableThere were no necks other than chicken at the supermarket when I checked. I'll write up a note and put an order in. I'm sure the price should also be around the same as chicken necks. ^^ Wed: Bone-In Meat / Muscle Meat. (Egg Day) AM- Lamb Hearts. PM- Chicken Wings.Very Good.
yay ^^ Thurs: Organ / Bone-In Meat.AM- Liver.This meal is an Organ meal and you want Liver plus another Organ.Kidney/brains/thymus/spleen/pancreasOkay! I have Beef Kidney and can get pig kidney as well (I think it was pig kidney, can't remember) PM- Chicken Necks.that's fine and continue to look for other Bone In sources.I will do. ^^ Friday: Bone-In Meat / Muscle Meat.AM- Pork Ribs.Pork ribs will be tough. some ferrets can handle them, but you want a small rib or pork buttons.I think Yuki may be able to handle them, but Haru may need something smaller. Maybe I'll take notes and ask the butcher next week. PM- Gizzard (Turkey or Duck) & Turkey Mince. Terrific, I love gizzards as you know.When I first got gizzards, I wasn't sure what they were. They looked so strange haha! Sat: Organ / Bone-In Meat. AM- Beef Kidney + Hearts. Here you want 1/4 part of Liver plus 1/4 part of Other organ and a half meal of Hearts (muscle meat)
1/4 would be about 7 and a half grams if the liver is 28grams right? PM- Chicken Wings.
Sun: Bone-In Meat. AM- Quail. PM- Chicken Necks. That's a very good first menu: I count: 9 bone in meals. Watch poops, some need more bone and some need less. If poops are too firm, use less Bone In meals and replace one with a muscle meat If poops are loose, stay at the 9 bone In meals and consider using bone meal powder. You will have loose poops after any organ or heart meal.
Okay, noted. ^^ You have 3 muscle meat meals.Including a full heart meal and a beef meal. Very Good.You have your two Organ meals including one with a half meal of hearts.Very good. Just remember that you want Liver plus another Organ.Five percent liver and five percent Other Organ.Okay, do I feed the liver along side another organ? I count 6 proteins. Chicken/Quail/Pork/Lamb/Beef and Duck or Turkey.You did great. Much better on your first menu than I did. (shyI found out we can get a pack of four frozen quails in store. I think those ones are gutted and are alittle costly, but since they're a good sizes, the packs can last a fortnight which is completely fine. ^^ I can also get smaller quails, I think they're 10 days old as whole prey, feathers and all. Since lamb and duck may be expensive, they may not be in the diet all the time, but like you mentioned a while ago its always good to get them when the prices are on sale. ^^ I would still have Chicken, Quail, Pork, Beef and turkey. Thats four other than chicken. ^^ For Bone In ideas, remember you may be feeding mice also. Here is a list of Bone In ideas:
Bone in- meat with consumable bones. Some ferrets can handle larger bones, some will need small bones from the size of a chicken or smaller.
Exceptions are neck and tail bones. Some ferrets CAN eat the weight bearing bones from things like rabbit and chicken, but most won't bother with them.
It will sometimes work better if you smash the thigh/leg bones from chickens. Good examples are: chicken necks/wings/spines, turkey wing tips/ribs/necks, duck wing tips/ribs/necks, pork rib ends/riblets, some will eat pork neck, ox tail, most adult whole prey(rabbit/mice/rats/quail/gerbil/hamster/guinea pig).
I'm going to try and get some duck wing tips, or turkey. They don't normally have them in store, but I can try and order some~ ^^ haha! We don't have Gerbil's or Hamsters Here. They're illegal I've never seen Guinea pigs as whole prey in reptile or online shops. other than Mice, Rats, and quail, I've seen ducklings. Tunnels are the best. That octopus is such a cute toy. I've also seen turtles and sharks.I saw an elephant one as well! It was so adorable. You did wonderful.Okay, one small pop quiz question. Why do we want them to have at least one red meat meal a week?Because they need a minimum of 3 different protein meats. It would also help just incase a ferret ends up having any tolerance issues with certain white meats like chicken and or any meat shortages. It can also be cheaper ( and lasts longer) to have a variety of meats rather than one specific type of meat. Ferrets can also get sick of eating the same meats over a period of time. (like what happened with mine eating the gizzard for a few days straight. They got bored.) I hope I answered that correctly. ^^
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 10:37:11 GMT -5
Good Morning We have a nasty rainy morning and I have a hair appointment. It always rain when I go to the hairdresser, it's better than a Indian rain dance. If there's no one else available and I do have the flu in the future, how could I be able to do things like prepping meals or feeding, playing with them? Should I limit my contact with them and possibly use a mask, gloves etc?
I hope you don't catch the flu, but yes. Gloves and a mask are a good idea. No snuggles or kisses and they may pout, but you want to stay away as much as is possible. Wipe down items they can reach that you have touched. Keep your meds up and away from them. Acetaminophen is fatal for ferrets. Its kind of hard to imagine a tooth being chipped so easily. She wasn't on a very good diet before I go her. Does a good diet also strengthen the teeth?
I honestly don't know if it strengthens them, but I will find out for you. It does keep them clean and free of plaque, which is very good. I just don't know if a tooth can get stronger. I wouldn't think so, or we would hear more about tooth strengthening products. The pet tooth paste's ingredients: Sorbitol, Water, Silica, Glycerin, Cellulose Gum, Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Sodium Copper Chlorophyllin, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Tetrasodium Pyrophosphate, Flavor, Titanium Dioxide, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate
Sorbitol is an articial sweetener. I would not use anything artificial. I know Xylitol is toxic for ferrets and also has alcohol in it. I would look around for something else. They put EO's in it. You already know that is not good. Why, I wonder also??? Unless they are trying to appeal to the pet owner and make it smell fresh. Speaking of fish, Can ferrets eat the heads and bones of raw fresh water fish? I was reading that salt water fish is a no go because of the salt. (unless it can be soaked or something possibly?)
You want small fish like smelt or even shrimp. Roamy loves shrimp. Mine also love Cod. Katt feeds hers salmon. Fish should be a once a week meal. They will have stinky poops. It's wonderful and full of fatty Omega's and protein. I've read that most won't eat the head. If the fish are small like smelt, then the rest should be fine and if they do eat the head, that's okay. I would supervise their first fish, just in case. Even humans can choke on a fish bone, but we eat larger fish. Gizzards. Gizzards really taste good. Try cooking one or two for yourself and add some salt. 1/4 would be about 7 and a half grams if the liver is 28grams right?
The idea with liver is to take their weekly amount of food and then five percent of their intake is Liver. Divided into the two organ meals. So, if Yuki eats 85 grams a day times seven days in a week, that is 595 grams that he eats in one week. Five percent of that would be 29.7 grams of liver divided into two meals. That makes 14.8 grams in one meal. Does that make sense? I'll confirm my math with my husband when he gets up. Numbers and I don't always get along. Okay, do I feed the liver along side another organ?yes. You can puree it or leave it in small pieces. This turns out to be a small meal. Mine usually get a snack on organ days. I found out we can get a pack of four frozen quails in store. I think those ones are gutted and are alittle costly, but since they're a good sizes, the packs can last a fortnight which is completely fine. ^^ I can also get smaller quails, I think they're 10 days old as whole prey, feathers and all. Since lamb and duck may be expensive, they may not be in the diet all the time, but like you mentioned a while ago its always good to get them when the prices are on sale. ^^ I would still have Chicken, Quail, Pork, Beef and turkey. Thats four other than chicken. ^^
Excellent. I like to suggest building a basic menu and sticking to it for a few weeks. Then when you shop and find a new protein, you can add that. In the beginning, they need to get familiar with a good basic menu and they are more open to try new things. Last night we tried Frog legs, it did not go over well. Tonight will be frog legs again, I want them to get use to them. Keller tried one piece and ate it. Juliet did not even try to stash any. Wynstan made us laugh trying to get away from them. haha! We don't have Gerbil's or Hamsters Here. They're illegal I've never seen Guinea pigs as whole prey in reptile or online shops. other than Mice, Rats, and quail, I've seen ducklings.
I did not know that, Wow! Ferrets are illegal here in California, New York city and Hawaii. Guinea pigs are so cute. I wouldn't have the heart to feed those. Because they need a minimum of 3 different protein meats. It would also help just incase a ferret ends up having any tolerance issues with certain white meats like chicken and or any meat shortages. It can also be cheaper ( and lasts longer) to have a variety of meats rather than one specific type of meat. Ferrets can also get sick of eating the same meats over a period of time. (like what happened with mine eating the gizzard for a few days straight. They got bored.)
All good reasons. The answer that I was looking for is because it is high in Iron and Vitamin B. Vitamin B is water soluable and doesn't stay in the system. It needs to be replenished. Today is a lesson on Organs: What Defines a NUTRITIONAL organ meat? This is a very important question, and something that causes a lot of confusion. Many structures that are considered “organs” anatomically are NOT considered Organ Meat nutritionally. Nutritional Organs are Major Hormone-Secreting Tissues: Liver Kidney Spleen Pancreas Gallbladder Brain Major glands (thymus, thyroid, parathyroid) Uterus Testicles
Pork Stomach Lining** (pork stomach is an organ, but it is lower in nutrients than the others listed) Tripe is the stomach of ruminating animals (usually Beef). White tripe has all of the nutrients bleached out of it and should not be fed. Green tripe is high in nutrients but smells horrid and usually ferrets won’t go near it so it’s really not worth the bother. If your ferrets will eat it, more power to you. Chitterlings (pork small intestine): similar to stomach this is an organ but is low in nutrients compared to the others and usually picked out of whole prey so there isn’t much benefit to feeding it.
NON-Organ meats Gizzards – gizzards are comprised of primarily muscle tissue and tendon, nutritionally they are a muscle meat source. Great for cleaning teeth.
Tongue – the tongue is comprised of muscle and mucous/salivary glands. These glands secrete mucous and digestive enzymes but NO hormones. The sublingual tonsils are at the very back of the tongue and are a lymphoid tissue (immune system). These tonsils are way at the back, so IF they are included on your purchased tongue, they are included in the whole tongue piece. Nutritionally tongue is a muscle meat source.
Lungs- lungs do not secrete hormones, they are comprised of connective tissue and endothelium. They are not considered a true “organ” as far as raw diet is concerned. They are however a GREAT part of a raw diet and are very high in Iron and Vitamin B12, as well as other B Vitamins. Definitely a good thing to feed if you have access.
Remember Five Percent liver and Five percent other Organ based on how much they eat in one week. Okay, now I have to run shower and get my hair done. Once again, well done Machan. You are a pleasure to work with. :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 4:07:41 GMT -5
Its been raining all day this week I've here. I love the rain , but it makes me so sleepy during the day. such bad luck to have rain on a hair app Day! Hopefully your hair didn't get ruined by the rain. ;o; I feel so iffy with the ingredients they put in those toothpastes for pets. I think alot of the time people don't know half of the ingredience and end up using them anyway. I might try the egg she'll one for no and order in that oxyfresh one since I found out they ship worldwide. ^^ Ooh my roommate loves shrimp. Ill steal one next time and try them with it. Heheh. I doubt I'd be able to eat gizzard. my roommate probably would though. The liver math makes sense now. Thank you!! Frogs legs hahahaa. I would love to try that. Maybe if I look around I might find them eventually . How are ferrets even illegal! They're so adorable. They're illegal in a few states here also. Mainly Queensland I think. Ahh I knew I missed something important on that question.. I really love the organ lesson. I didn't even know some of that. Anyway. Today I got the pinkies and fuzzies. They look so interesting. The pinkies are so small! They're like a jelly bean and feel soft and squishy. (Curiosity got the best of me) yuki and haru love them. They ate one straight away and it was finished in less than a second. The fuzzidles are a little bigger than the pinkies. Smaller than I expected. I might get alot more next time and possibly try a bigger size for them. I had to hold haru from starving the fuzzy. She ended up eating it in my lap, finished half and tried to run off with it again. She left a head on my lap and it felt so uncomfortable.; o; I got her back and she finally ate it. Ah... that was easier than I expected but so slightly uncomfortable with having a head left there lol I think the fuzzy was a perfect size for haru also. Yuki could have probably eat 3-4 if given the chance but haru could only eat the one. Maybe a bigger size we would be better for yuki. ^^ Anyhoo. I'm so tired so I might lay down and read more about ferrets.I'm going to review some of the lessons here also. for a recap kind of thing. Bye! ^^
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 16:21:06 GMT -5
Good Afternoon :beer: I just wrote a long involved post and then lost it. Take my word for it, I was brilliant. Its been raining all day this week I've here. I love the rain , but it makes me so sleepy during the day. such bad luck to have rain on a hair app Day! Hopefully your hair didn't get ruined by the rain. ;o;
I love rain also. Let's just get it all gone before my vacation. Speaking of which, I will be on Vacation starting next Friday, the 14th. We return on Monday, the 24th. I can leave you with a plan and ask a mentor to watch over you. Or, you could try going it on your own. That reinforces what we already know and can point out things we aren't sure of or don't know. You decide and let me know. If you choose to go it alone, you can still ask the Mentors for help, if a problem arises. Ooh my roommate loves shrimp. Ill steal one next time and try them with it. Heheh.Take the shell of first. They'll probably love it and then your room mate will wonder why the shrimp keeps disappearing. Frogs legs hahahaa. I would love to try that. Maybe if I look around I might find them eventually .I'll try them again, but I'm pretty sure they won't like them. They are good with new foods but I think they have already made up their minds on this one. Anyway. Today I got the pinkies and fuzzies. They look so interesting. The pinkies are so small! They're like a jelly bean and feel soft and squishy. (Curiosity got the best of me) yuki and haru love them. They ate one straight away and it was finished in less than a second. The fuzzidles are a little bigger than the pinkies. Smaller than I expected. I might get alot more next time and possibly try a bigger size for them.
Awww...a tiny little head on your lap. I bet that's something you never expected to see. I'm so glad they liked their pinkie treats. They did especially well with their first pinkie and mini mouse. Yesterday we talked about Organs. Today let's talk about Taurine and why it's essential and why freezing doesn't degrade the Taurine. Deficiencies in certain amino acids can cause serious problems. Taurine is required for normal heart muscle and eye function. A diet that does not have enough taurine can cause the heart to stretch and enlarge (dilated cardiomyopathy). This can lead to congestive heart failure and death. In the eye, a low taurine diet can cause blindness from central retinal degeneration. Taurine is present in higher dosages, in Hearts and Tongue.
Taurine is a beta amino acid that is generally found in the bile and muscle tissues of mammals, including ferrets. It is found in the highest concentrations in excitable tissues, such as those found in the heart, retina, central nervous system and skeletal muscles. It is synthesized in the liver from the dietary sulfur-containing amino acids named methionine and cysteine.
In some countries, such as Australia, some working ferrets are fed homemade diets with rabbit, lamb and kangaroo meat as the main ingredients. We're not picking on Australia, just those ferrents who only feed one protein like rabbit, that does not offer enough Taurine.
Rabbit, lamb and kangaroo meat can have a low taurine content, so a Taurine supplement might be required to prevent taurine deficiency problems. 500 mg per ferret per day.
Freezing Taurine:
So it has long been passed around that freezing and thawing degrades the taurine content of meat. This is actually a big misconception. HEAT does indeed degrade taurine (cooking), FREEZING however does NOT. Below are two studies to support this statement.
"Taurine has been shown to be very stable at high temperatures(18), and it is not affected by freeze–thaw cycles(19). Consistent with these observations, our data indicate that although the samples used in our study were frozen for almost 20 years, levels of serum taurine were similar to the values reported in the literature using samples stored for a shorter time." www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3128499/
Page 3 of this study:
biocor.umn.edu/assets/files/ANALYTE%20STABILITY%20&%20FREEZE-THAW%20INFORMATION-1.pdf
"Taurine is not affected by freeze–thaw cycle"
Read more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/13653/taurine-degrade-when-frozen#ixzz3iANWRKlF
That's enough info for today. Hint...there will be questions about Taurine in your final exam. :wave3:
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