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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:18:23 GMT -5
The Yawn worked and was quite cute. I couldn't see the first two, but will wait until you get some sleep. Your spoon feeding was a good try but you need to dab some on the lips first. Then try again, but with Yuki on your lap. My guess is that Yuki had an easy out while in the cage. Use a little mental telepathy (lol), like the Force in Star War's and Yuki will feel like the 'ferrent force' and a need to feed. I'm (half kidding) but they do pick up on your emotions and will respond. If you think it won't happen, it won't. If you think it will happen, it usually really does. :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 5:45:58 GMT -5
Some of them were set to private , silly me I fixed them, i think. I forgot to do the lips dab thingy. He had just woken up as well. They ended up eating all the chicken wing mash as well. Good little ferrets! I'm going to try them less mashed next time and see how they do~ Yuki won't stay still, so maybe I'll just hold him and spoon feed him that way. At least that way I'll have his full attention >3< Ferretnosis ~ "Yuki, you are feeling very hungry, very very hungry~ You want to eat chicken wing right now~" omg. Haru went into a semi-dead sleep tonight. I carried her around for a bit and got a few cute pictures >3< Usually she wakes up after a minute but this time she lasted about 5-10 minutes. Expect photos soon!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 6:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 9:24:20 GMT -5
It's my Sunday morning and you're probably off to bed. I forgot to do the lips dab thingy. He had just woken up as well. They ended up eating all the chicken wing mash as well. Good little ferrets! I'm going to try them less mashed next time and see how they do~
The lip dab gets them started and they have to taste the food, to get it off their food. The more they taste, the more familiar with the smell and taste. If he just woke up, he may have needed his coffee first (just kidding, no caffeine of course) Ferretnosis ~ "Yuki, you are feeling very hungry, very very hungry~ You want to eat chicken wing right now~" and another great ferret word. I wish we could hypnotize them, it would be so much easier. Have you ever been hypnotized? I've been to some shows and they are fun. I think some participants (like my insanely funny sister in law) fake it, but I think some people are very susceptible. I'm not...I couldn't let my reserve down long enough for something like that. omg. Haru went into a semi-dead sleep tonight. I carried her around for a bit and got a few cute pictures >3< Usually she wakes up after a minute but this time she lasted about 5-10 minutes. Expect photos soon!
Haru looks so content. She's such a little beauty. Pictures and videos, Huzzah! I should have some more info on Pancreatin for you soon. I'm waiting for Hurricanekatt to weigh in. She's a medical resident now and I love the science that she brings to the table.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:00:53 GMT -5
Here is some info on Pancreatin from the Mentors Board: FireAngel our new Mentor in Training. Here is what I found on it without doing in depth research. If she is just interested in its possible benefits maybe suggest to her to include pancreas as one of her other organs? www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-254-pancreatin.aspx?activeingredientid=254&activeingredientname=pancreatin
Celene, a very very smart Mentor: I don't know if a pancreas would contain enough pancreatin to be therapeutic.. I imagine they extract and concentrate it somehow.
Slippery elm has been AMAZING for stabilizing Nova's poops and soothing her tummy, but I've read because it coats the stomach, it also affects nutrient absorption and shouldn't be used long-term.
I bought a pet "digestive support" supplement which contains
N-Acetyl Glucosamine (from shrimp and crab) which according to webmd is used to treat "Inflammatory bowel diseases, including ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease" in humans.
Probiotics (microencapsulated lactobacillus and acidophilus)
Bromelain (the digestive enzyme found in pineapple that causes your tongue to burn as it starts digesting your tastebuds) according to webmd it's an anti-inflammatory and disgestive enzyme which helps increase the absorption of antibiotics, and is used to treat IBD and ulcers.
Papain (the enzyme found in papaya) which is used to aid digestion, treat diarrhea, and treat throat inflammation.
Pepsin, an enzyme which helps break down food in the stomach and is one of the main digestive enzymes released naturally by the stomach.
Some of these ingredients are more "clinically proven" than others, although there isn't as much funding for ingredients that large pharmaceutical companies can't exploit, so that doesn't mean they don't work. Either way, I mix a little bit into Nova's heart/organ soupies three times a week and it seems to help quite a bit. Button
Sherry, our Senior Experienced Ferrent. She built this Forum: Pancreatic enzymes are often essential for IBD as they "pre-digest" meat proteins for them so they are able to absorb more of the nutrients. When I google Pancreatin however I get a few different products. Could you get your mentee to post a link to what she is referring to?
Me: This is what Machan was looking at:
I also found Pancreatin in tablet form(I think) It's called 'Nature's Life Pancreatin 1,400 mg' au.evitamins.com/pancreatin-1400-mg-natures-life-12175 I also just realised that the brand 'nature's life' has Taurine powder. That Evitamins shop also stocks that brand 'now (or Now Foods)' They too have pancreatin au.evitamins.com/pancreatin-now-foods-9418 Since I'm finding alot of these in tablet or capsule form, they would have to be crushed into powder form wouldn't they? Ferrets would have a certain dosage for Pancreatin or any other supplement depending on their weight right? Nevermind lol. I was googling and found this thread. holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/199/using-supplements
e had a lesson on IBD and it discussed supplements, so she was interested and asking questions. She is a wonderful reader and gets so interested in the reading. I'm very impressed with this girl.
Sherry's reply: It doesn't say if it is plant or animal base. While the plant based one DOES work for IBD, the animal base one works much better
Which is a good point to learn. Anytime you have the choice of plant based or meat based, well, you know they are carnivores, so go with meat based. :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 8:11:14 GMT -5
It's my Sunday morning and you're probably off to bed.I think I was actually u to around 2:30-4am reading a book. I was so tired too, So I probably should have gone to bed early. The lip dab gets them started and they have to taste the food, to get it off their food. The more they taste, the more familiar with the smell and taste.I'll try not to giggle next time I attempt to give them a meaty moustache. " Oh Come on Yuki! Meaty moustaches are in season for ferrets!" I actually remember doing this with with my old cats. Alot of them were very "fussy" eaters, or otherwise just needed assistance with eating. If he just woke up, he may have needed his coffee first (just kidding, no caffeine of course)
I'll make him his morning coffee and drink it on his behalf since he cannot drink it. >3< and another great ferret word. I wish we could hypnotize them, it would be so much easier.Have you ever been hypnotized? I've been to some shows and they are fun. I think some participants (like my insanely funny sister in law) fake it, but I think some people are very susceptible.I'm not...I couldn't let my reserve down long enough for something like that.It would make everything so much easier! >3< I've never been hypnotised. Its an interesting thing though, I could probably be "hypnotised" if I was very half asleep. Maybe thats the entire reason behind it, being conscious. I saw shows on it, and i think if someone were to try it on me, I probably would start giggling. Or they'd think it worked and I would stand there/ or sit there thinking "Should I burst their bubble yet?" haha! Haru looks so content. She's such a little beauty.Pictures and videos, Huzzah!I was wondering when one of them would do it first. Ferrets must be really comfortable with their home/owners in order to go into it right? (unless they're deaf cause deaf ferrets do it more often apparently.)
I saw your replies just before and then my internet decides to play up. Its been playing up alot lately and is making me so frustrated. I might try ringing my provider in the morning, for the 5th time. Apparently there was a nationwide outage about 3-4 weeks ago and its been playing up ever since and its not just with me but alot of others. I've been getting into habit of selecting all I've typed up and then copying it incase It doesn't post. >3< Here is some info on Pancreatin from the Mentors Board:Yay! This will be so interesting::~ I actually never heard of Pancreatin before so I'm very excited to learn about it. I'm pretty sure alot of supplements are new to me too. There's so many out there, with so many different usages or ingredients. I'm going to read all that. Yep, I actually read all of it. "Pancreatin can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, mouth and skin irritation, and allergic reactions. High doses can cause problems such as high blood levels of a substance called uric acid, as well as colon damage." This is for humans, but when thinking about it for ferrets, do they get/or may get any form of side effects from Pancreatin or do they handle it differently depending on how frequently they have it? Wow that was alot of information with all those ingredients. My notebook is going to be filled up with all this soon! >3< Oh now I understand why you do it an hour before they eat. makes alot of sense now. ^^ Thank you ^^ It's funny, I never liked classes back in highschool especially ones like Maths, But all the others that involve learning how things work or animal /health wise intrigue me so i find i an enjoying thing to read about. Its also important for me to have a good solid understanding when it comes to things like products /probiotics since its not me who's taking them but an animal that is fairly new to me all together. If I don't understand it, then I don't risk using it. I also ask questions if I don't have a clear understanding, so its probably a really good personality trait of mine.>3< I think I'm getting the hang of things now since that was my automatic guess to choose animal base over plant base~ ^u^ :wave3: Thanks for this!
Okay so this morning I found that they both ate all their semi-mashed Chicken wings and it made me very happy. I'll have to buy more of those this week, along with more thighs and possibly some pork for them to try. Since I ran out of the wings and was unsure to use the drumette part just yet, I ended up using 2 chicken necks and Gizzard. They didn't touch it for a while, so I ground most of it up. Haru was eating some of it when I put it in their cage and I now noticed how Yuki doesn't seem to eat at the same time as Haru anymore. Maybe since he was in playtime mode, or simply doesn't feel like it at that moment, but yeah I've been leaving it in their cage and they do seem to eat it, all of it up, actually. Today I had them out for a bit of free roaming for a about 3-4 hours and they both played for a little before simply falling asleep. I've been home alone for a couple of days so that means no visitors and more free roam for the ferrets. >3< Other than the play nips on the foot, I haven't had any nips that i consider 'bad or out of line' yet. Not even a bite so they've both been very well behaved! The play nips on the foot are very light, so i tend not to tell him off for it, but rather start playing with him since thats what he's saying. ^u^ Anyway, I've seem to notice that they both don't seem to touch the gizzards much anymore when its in the soup. It seems they like it better without the soup, so I hand fed Haru a small piece and it went well. ^^ Oh last night Haru managed to find some "jerkified" chicken piece that YUKI stashed and I couldn't seem to take it from her. It seemed about 3 days old. Oh yuki anyway, I tried to distract her with some fresh food, but she insisted on the chicken jerky. lol ;A; I let her chew on it for alittle but I eventually managed to get it off her. Whats your intake on 'jerky' stashed meat, is it safe depending on how old or can it make them sick? I have more healthy poop photos. Also I made some more semi-mashed gizzard with 2 necks for tomorrow/night. Maybe I could try it with alittle soup, or should I try it by itself? I can never seem to get a good ferret family photo yet. One never ends up staying still. LOL.
Oops its monday night. I'll weigh Yuki and Haru tomorrow. I'd do it now, but they're asleep ^u^ Bye bye~
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 8:35:27 GMT -5
:banana: Okay so this morning I found that they both ate all their semi-mashed Chicken wings and it made me very happy. I'll have to buy more of those this week,
Hooray, they will be eating full bones before you know it. We got into a good discussion on the Mentor Board. I had found an old thread from 2012 and it said to use the Non Weight bearing Bones. Katt corrected me on that and Heather wrote this:
The non-weight bearing bone thing dates back to the beginning of the raw vs kibble times. The bones most likely to cause issue, getting caught in throat, digestive issues, broken teeth, undigested are weight bearing bones. It became the chant that weight bearing bones shouldn't be fed.
They were the most dangerous and did cause problems. They are the highest risk. If there is a bone that will not dissolve in the digestive tract these are the ones. You've heard of feeding old bone....this is like feeding old bone. Bone that is most likely to perforate and be fatal. That is why the warning. Does it and can it be fed, of course but know your risks and what you're willing to risk. ciao
Lesson learned once again from the Masters. lol
Anyway, I've seem to notice that they both don't seem to touch the gizzards much anymore when its in the soup. It seems they like it better without the soup, so I hand fed Haru a small piece and it went well.
They may be getting bored with their slivers. If Haru begins to not want to be hand fed slivers, try something else like thin slices of pork. Just like us, they get bored after a few days of the same foods.
Oh last night Haru managed to find some "jerkified" chicken piece that YUKI stashed and I couldn't seem to take it from her. It seemed about 3 days old. Oh yuki anyway, I tried to distract her with some fresh food, but she insisted on the chicken jerky. lol ;A; I let her chew on it for alittle but I eventually managed to get it off her. Whats your intake on 'jerky' stashed meat, is it safe depending on how old or can it make them sick?
Ferrets think Jerkified chicken is a rare delicay. I'm more tolerant when it's cooler. I pick them up sooner when it's summer. In theory, they won't touch anything that has turned. We have had the occasional ferret who does eat something that is off and then they throw it up.
Also I made some more semi-mashed gizzard with 2 necks for tomorrow/night. Maybe I could try it with alittle soup, or should I try it by itself?
Mash the necks up well, they can be tough. Add some gizzards and try that alone with no soupies. You can add a little water to the mixture just for moistness. Maybe a tablespoon, mine love their food wet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 11:31:49 GMT -5
Hooray, they will be eating full bones before you know it.It would be super great once they're fully on bones. ^u^ It sounds very similar to cats and dogs when it comes to weight bearing bones. I never fed those big weight bearing bones from herbivores to my cats/dogs. Even those recreational bones were a big no-no since they do the exact same thing. Chipping/cracking teeth etc. Apparently weight bearing bones are really dense and have been known to cause Teeth fractures. Maybe its something thats for all carnivores. Since this is on similar topic, One of my younger cats (back in 2006) managed to get a cooked piece of chicken wing stuck horizontally down his throat (The neighbour thought 'oh lets give the kitty some food', etc) and we were in no time to get to a vet. Vet was an hour away. He was stressing out, so I had to force open his jaws and reach in with two fingers to gently and quickly pull it out. It was the most scariest thing I had ever seen but if I left it in, he could have been in an even worse situation ;A; Even the vet said that it was a lucky thing that he had no severe injuries from it other than whats seemed to be alittle bruising, a very sore throat and terrified from eating bones for life that is. I guess we were highly lucky there was no splintering, otherwise his throat would have been done for. ;n; Lesson learned once again from the Masters. lolBetter than learning from experience, thats for sure. I'd rather take my chances by not feeding weight bearing bones, then end up with a poor sick ferret who's off to see their favourite vet. (sarcasm there, they seem to hate the vets at the clinic LOL poor vets.) Taking risks in this case, is like betting on their tiny lives... not worth risking ;n; They may be getting bored with their slivers. If Haru begins to not want to be hand fed slivers, try something else like thin slices of pork. I currently don't have the pork but tomorrow they will get to try some for sure >3< Its going to be completely new to them so I look forward to seeing how they like it. Just like us, they get bored after a few days of the same foods.Who wouldn't hahah! >3< Ferrets think Jerkified chicken is a rare delicay.I'm more tolerant when it's cooler. I pick them up sooner when it's summer.In theory, they won't touch anything that has turned.We have had the occasional ferret who does eat something that is off and then they throw it up.Oh yep. I would be doing the same in summer. Since its hot, it would go bad faster than when its cold. What smart little animals they are... They must have this inbuilt sensor "hmm this has been out since yesterday morning... I wonder if I can eat it.*sniff* I smells devine. It looks just as good *eats*" In our house we do the stash rounds, especially if theirs still food left in their plate and the cage is open. I usually check once before play and once after play but it seems they're starting to get better with their stashing skills... I'm gonna have to up my game with them LOL Mash the necks up well, they can be tough. Add some gizzards and try that alone with no soupies. You can add a little water to the mixture just for moistness. Maybe a tablespoon, mine love their food wet.
Necks can be hard to mash up. My knives need to be sharpened I sometimes I wonder if our neighbours hear me banging at the necks... I wonder what they think of that I noticed Haru likes hers wet also but Yuki doesn't really care.. Sigh. I found out they were up to no good today. They ended up finding or creating a hole on the bottom of the couch and had a field day inside of it. I'm going to sleep soon, but anyway I managed to weigh them so~ 1. Ferret's name: Yuki. 2. Ferret's weight: 1367g. 3. Ferret has eaten "3.5ish ounces" on average per meal. 4. Stools: dark to light brown with a smooth consistency this week. 5. Activity levels: The usual, energetic and super playful. Alittle on the cheeky side. 6. Weekly menu: Soupie, chicken gizzard slivers, mashed wings/necks. 1. Ferret's name: Haru. 2. Ferret's weight: 845g. 3. Ferret has eaten around "2 ounces" on average per meal. 4. Stools: Mainly dark brown, alittle light sometimes. 5. Activity levels: More active, more playful and energetic. 6. Weekly menu: Soupie, chicken gizzard slivers, mashed wings/necks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 14:38:29 GMT -5
Since this is on similar topic, One of my younger cats (back in 2006) managed to get a cooked piece of chicken wing stuck horizontally down his throat (The neighbour thought 'oh lets give the kitty some food', etc) and we were in no time to get to a vet. Vet was an hour away. He was stressing out, so I had to force open his jaws and reach in with two fingers to gently and quickly pull it out. It was the most scariest thing I had ever seen but if I left it in, he could have been in an even worse situation ;A; Even the vet said that i
Mama Bear to the rescue! This has happened once or twice on the forum. You reacted correctly and happily so did the ferrents that it happened to. In Sherry's case, her ferret then was afraid of bones and if I remember right, refused them from then on. Oh yep. I would be doing the same in summer. Since its hot, it would go bad faster than when its cold. What smart little animals they are... They must have this inbuilt sensor "hmm this has been out since yesterday morning... I wonder if I can eat it.*sniff* I smells devine. It looks just as good *eats*" In our house we do the stash rounds, especially if theirs still food left in their plate and the cage is open. I usually check once before play and once after play but it seems they're starting to get better with their stashing skills... I'm gonna have to up my game with them LOL
They get very good at finding hiding spots. All except my Wynstan who thinks Paul's shoes are the best spot. Paul doesn't think that. Wynstan also claimed the third bedroom for himself and leaves stashes in there. The others are much better at playing Hide and Seek. Necks can be hard to mash up. My knives need to be sharpened I sometimes I wonder if our neighbours hear me banging at the necks... I wonder what they think of that I noticed Haru likes hers wet also but Yuki doesn't really care..
Mine have to be sharpened regularly. Do you have a cleaver, they really help. Some use a Ula knife, have you seen those. They look like a horseshoe. Sigh. I found out they were up to no good today. They ended up finding or creating a hole on the bottom of the couch and had a field day inside of it. I'm going to sleep soon, but anyway I managed to weigh them so~
I'm afraid they do that. I've cut the bottom material off of some chairs and other furniture. You Tube has some videos on ferret proofing sofas. We had an old couch and I let Ponce nest in it. My daughter would bring home friends to watch scarey movies. Ponce would lay in wait, and then appear up and behind the cushions and make all the girls scream. It was too much fun and I kept that couch just for the fun of it. 1. Ferret's name: Yuki. 2. Ferret's weight: 1367g. 3. Ferret has eaten "3.5ish ounces" on average per meal. 4. Stools: dark to light brown with a smooth consistency this week. 5. Activity levels: The usual, energetic and super playful. Alittle on the cheeky side. 6. Weekly menu: Soupie, chicken gizzard slivers, mashed wings/necks.
Excellent, he is doing really well. A nice solid weight and handling the necks and wings. Good boy! 1. Ferret's name: Haru. 2. Ferret's weight: 845g. 3. Ferret has eaten around "2 ounces" on average per meal. 4. Stools: Mainly dark brown, alittle light sometimes. 5. Activity levels: More active, more playful and energetic. 6. Weekly menu: Soupie, chicken gizzard slivers, mashed wings/necks.
Excellent again. She's a good weight and handling those necks and wings. I'm proud of all 3 of you. Your summer is coming and we will see a drop in appetite then. Don't let that frighten you. It's time to begin learning about Frankenprey. Have you done any reading on it? I'll throw alot of info at you over the next few days, but not today. Today we will just enjoy how much everyone has accomplished. :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 4:32:37 GMT -5
Mama Bear to the rescue!This has happened once or twice on the forum. You reacted correctly and happily so did the ferrents that it happened to. In Sherry's case, her ferret then was afraid of bones and if I remember right, refused them from then on.I wouldn't blame any carnivore to refuse bones after going through something so traumatic. They get very good at finding hiding spots. All except my Wynstan who thinks Paul's shoes are the best spot. Paul doesn't think that. Wynstan also claimed the third bedroom for himself and leaves stashes in there. The others are much better at playing Hide and Seek.I know of three spots, One being my room mates bed (under of course), another being in the lounge room/under the couch (tight squeeze) and then one in the ferret room inside their couch. I actually think I found a fourth spot since Haru was running off with the toy behind the tv cabinet . Cheeky ferrets >3< Has Wynstan tried to stash Paul's shoes? (that be funny, a stashing spot in another stashing spot) I can just imagine it, one day putting on the shoe to feel something moist and squishy and then finding some fresh meat on your foot or even worse, in between the toes. Mine have to be sharpened regularly. Do you have a cleaver, they really help.Some use a Ula knife, have you seen those. They look like a horseshoe.I have a nice meat cleaver.It does the job when its sharp. They also last a very long time~ I couldn't find our sharpener. We have one of those stainless steael rod one's that you scrape the knife over. I'll probably just buy a new one tomorrow since its cheaper than buying a new knife. I was actually looking into getting an Ula knife. I haven't seen any where I live. I might buy online. They look like they do a good job. >3< I'm afraid they do that. I've cut the bottom material off of some chairs and other furniture.You Tube has some videos on ferret proofing sofas.We had an old couch and I let Ponce nest in it. My daughter would bring home friends to watch scarey movies. Ponce would lay in wait, and then appear up and behind the cushions and make all the girls scream. It was too much fun and I kept that couch just for the fun of it.I was thinking of getting some lino or timber. I actually looked at some videos an alot of people use a thin kind of wood. >3< hahaha! Oh Ponce! That would be have been fun~ >3< Ah! I upload a video of Haru and Yuki Playing to instagram. http://instagr.am/p/5q--jUPwmS Excellent, he is doing really well. A nice solid weight and handling the necks and wings.Good boy!He feels pretty solid as well. Nice and firm~ >3< Excellent again. She's a good weight and handling those necks and wings.I'm proud of all 3 of you.I'm happy with their weights. ^u^ It seems they are starting to fill in more muscle which is really great. Especially Haru and her little back. Its starting to fill in and she's becoming more playful. She follows me up and down the hall. Its great fun~ Your summer is coming and we will see a drop in appetite then. Don't let that frighten you.Do they lose weight in summer as well? Summer will be quite hot and since its not for a while, it gives me some time to plan good things to keep them cool~ I actually plan on moving them into my roommates room during summer. Its the coolest and can be the darkest room in the house and the ferret room is the hottest mainly cause its in the direction of where the suns sets(makes it great for winter.) It's time to begin learning about Frankenprey. Have you done any reading on it?yay! I've done alittle on and off reading on Frankenprey. It still sounds very foreign but I think understand the basics for it. Its basically a word meaning raw diet right, but mimics that of a full animal (Bones/Organ/Muscle/etc) I'll throw alot of info at you over the next few days, but not today.Today we will just enjoy how much everyone has accomplished.
I have alot more to learn, so bring on the info~ ^u^ Tomorrow's shopping day~ Yay! I'm picking up the following: Chicken thighs & wings. Pork and possibly Beef for slivers since they seem to be sick of Gizzard for now. If I manage to find any Lamb on sale, I might get some. I also want to look into getting other kinds of Poultry, possibly some Turkey or even Quail. I still have plenty of Chicken Hearts/Livers/Necks. ----- Their poop is the same as what I last posted, dark brown & smooth. Yuki's poop seemed slightly seedy. (undigested chicken neck bones?) Thats all for now~ Here's some cute Haru~ http://instagr.am/p/5qhEZxvwhx
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 9:00:47 GMT -5
Mice do fit into the tiniest spots. When we moved here, they nested in some towels of mine. I have no idea how they got into the cabinet.
Pinkies and chicks make great treats. Baby animals are treats not meals. Not sure if you knew that. When it's spring here, all the stores carry adorable baby chicks. I get so tempted but the darn little things are too cute and I just don't have the heart to buy them and then let the ferrets get them. Pinkies can be bought already frozen, so I've tried those.
A pirate cockatiel...I love it. (dance)
We're going into Nashville today, so I'll leave you a little reading on Frankenprey: Here is a sample menu. I think it's easier to look at the menu first and just get an idea of what one looks like:
I'll show you a basic menu plan and explain a little about it:
Monday: a.m. Bone In Quail This can be found in any good Asian Market. It's a great beginner bone. They need bone for Calcium and other nutrients. p.m. Muscle meat meal beef puree w/egg
Tues: a.m. Bone In meal CGH Cornish Game hen p.m. Muscle meat meal pork butt Fat equals energy for ferrets. It's also good for their skin.
Wed: a.m. Bone In meal chicken wings p.m. Hearts muscle meat Duck hearts, chicken heart, pork heart are great choices and inexpensive.
Thurs: a.m. Bone In Cornish Game Hen p.m. Organ Meal half liver/half kidney,brains etc.
Liver needs to be five percent of how much they eat in one week. Organs are secreting organs and the Other Organ can be kidney/spleen/thymus/brains or pancreas. Heart is not an organ but a Muscle meat
Fri: a.m. Bone In chicken wings p.m Bone In chicken wings Other Bone In meals can be quail, cornish game hens, turkey wing tips, duck, rabbit.
Sat: a.m. Bone In meal CGH p.m. Muscle Meat gizzards
Sun: a.m. Organ meal of 1/4 Liver plus another 1/4 Organ and a half meal of Hearts
p.m. Bone In meal wings/rabbit/quail/cornish game hen [/b]
The idea is to have: 7-9 meals of Bone In
3-4 meals of Muscle Meat, one of which must be Heart for Taurine.
1 Organ meal of Liver plus another Organ 1 meal of Liver plus another Organ.
It's nice to have an egg a week also. That will give the all important Omega 3/6's and help with excess fur from grooming. Think of it as like a hairball in cat's.
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You can configure your menu to whatever suits your schedule. As you go along, you'll learn tips and tricks that work best for Haru and Yuki. You might find organ days are better on the weekends when you can watch them or that it is nice to follow Organ meals with Bone In meals for firmer poops. So, to recap:
Basic Frankenprey Menu configured another way
Monday am: edible bone in meat Monday pm: edible bone in meat
Tuesday am: edible bone in meat Tuesday pm: muscle meat
Wednesday am: edible bone in meat Wednesday pm: heart
Thursday am: edible bone in meat Thursday pm: edible bone in meat
Friday am: edible bone in meat Friday pm: ½ heart + ¼ liver + ¼ other organ
Saturday am: edible bone in meat Saturday pm: muscle meat
Sunday am: edible bone in meat Sunday pm: ½ liver + ½ other organ
Edible bone in meat: is just that meat with bone included. It is NOT bones with just a bit of meat on them (ie: most of the meat removed). If you fed bones like this you will throw the balance of the menu off. See below for acceptable bone in meats
chicken: any / all, quail: any / all, rabbit: any / all, turkey: necks, ribs, and wing tips, duck: neck, ribs, and wing tips. pork: button bones, rib ends, cornish game hen: any / all.
Any commercial frozen raw with 10% to 15% ground bone. Any freeze dried raw with 10%-15% ground bone.
Muscle meat: any heart meat. Chicken (including gizzard), turkey, duck, lamb, goat, beef, Cornish Game Hen (counts as chicken), venison, elk, basically any meat (unaltered such as smoked, pickled or injected with salt) without bone.
*heart is considered a muscle meat but is ABSOLUTELY necessary as it is their primary source of taurine. Lack of taurine in their diet can lead to eyesight problems and other issues.
Organ meat: Liver, kidney, thymus, pancreas, reproductive organs, lung, brain, basically any part of the body that secretes.
Fat is an important part of a carnivore's diet as this is where they get their energy. It works for them in the same way carbs do for humans. Make sure to pick fattier cuts over leaner cuts when buying your meat (thigh vs. breast, shoulder vs. tenderloin, etc)
Variety For optimal health a minimum (more is preferable) of 3 different proteins need to be in the diet. At least one of the minimum 3 proteins needs to be something other than: chicken, rabbit, cornish game hen or fish. This is to ensure enough Vit B, iron and a good base of taurine in the diet (most taurine comes from the heart in the diet however).
Any questions so far? Hugs to Yuki and Haru, and I'll check back in later. :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 9:35:47 GMT -5
Has Wynstan tried to stash Paul's shoes? (that be funny, a stashing spot in another stashing spot) I can just imagine it, one day putting on the shoe to feel something moist and squishy and then finding some fresh meat on your foot or even worse, in between the toes.
My sweet goofy Wynstan is rather slow at grasping the concept of hiding things. Except for his one special treasure, a catnip cigar. I will pass by him sometimes when he is in the process of moving his treasure. He freezes and then slinks down low and pretends he doesn't see me. I woke up this morning and put my foot down onto an empty ferret plate. Someone was trying to tell me something. I was actually looking into getting an Ula knife. I haven't seen any where I live. I might buy online. They look like they do a good job. >3<
When Katt lived in Alaska, she would take orders for Ulas. I'll be in Alaska in August, and if you want to wait until then, I'm buying one and I'll get you one. My treat. Do they lose weight in summer as well? Summer will be quite hot and since its not for a while, it gives me some time to plan good things to keep them cool~ I actually plan on moving them into my roommates room during summer. Its the coolest and can be the darkest room in the house and the ferret room is the hottest m
They do seem to begin the weight loss in spring and also lose a little more in the summer. I don't know what got into me this year, but I haven't weighed mine lately. Some ferrents buy tiles and they stay nice and cool. There are some nice tips around and I'll gather them up and post them for you. yay! I've done alittle on and off reading on Frankenprey. It still sounds very foreign but I think understand the basics for it. Its basically a word meaning raw diet right, but mimics that of a full animal (Bones/Organ/Muscle/etc)
That's right. Frankenprey is designed to mimic eating Whole prey, but using store bought foods. I found that when I built a menu and looked at it, it was easier then doing the reading first. So, I've done that in the above post and then we will talk about nutrients and what is found in which protein. I have a small whiteboard on my fridge with their menu plan. I can look at it and pull out the next meal to defrost in the fridge. My routine is to pick up dinner plates in the morning. Wash them and put them in the dishwasher. Put out their breakfast plates and fresh water Pull out dinner for defrosting Sanitize counters and their cutting board and wash my hands. Dinner time comes and we do that again. I'm picking up the following: Chicken thighs & wings. Pork and possibly Beef for slivers since they seem to be sick of Gizzard for now.
If I manage to find any Lamb on sale, I might get some. I also want to look into getting other kinds of Poultry, possibly some Turkey or even Quail.
Excellent! As you shop for the little ones, look for seasonal sales. Here turkey is on sale around Thanksgiving in November. Ground beef during the summertime and lamb in the spring. Haru is just too cute in that picture. I love your pictures and videos. :boing: Okay, I'm off to the big city for the day. Hugs to all :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 8:17:49 GMT -5
Mice do fit into the tiniest spots. When we moved here, they nested in some towels of mine. I have no idea how they got into the cabinet.
They're funny little creatures. They managed to get into our cabinets also! Pinkies and chicks make great treats. Baby animals are treats not meals. Not sure if you knew that.When it's spring here, all the stores carry adorable baby chicks. I get so tempted but the darn little things are too cute and I just don't have the heart to buy them and then let the ferrets get them.Pinkies can be bought already frozen, so I've tried those.Pinkies and chicks are tiny so I can understand that they're more treat than meal. Its easy to get hands on live animals but over here its illegal to do live prey. I considered euthanising them myself but after much thought and many videos later, I decided I couldn't do it. >o< Its pricey to get frozen mice or chicks but I'm going to put some money aside and look into getting some for them to try later on down the track. It would probably be easy to breed the feeder mice but I'd have to commit to it since its much more than breeding and euthanising for ferret food. It was also a consideration. I've owned mice in the past as pets, so I wonder if I'd be able to mentally allow myself to breed them for food. I wouldn't go and buy pet store mice for that purpose though. ;n; How did the pinkies go? Did your ferrets eat them on the first try? How long can whole prey be frozen for? I'm guessing about 6 months? We have lots of names for frozen mice here. Like Pinkies/fuzzies/hoppers/velvets/weaners. I couldn't end up finding any reptile shops that sell frozen feeders in my area. ;n; I ended up finding this website, which I'm pretty sure is located in NSW. Compared to other sites, they seem to be the cheapest when it comes to express postage. I think it was around $25 for postage while another was up to $100 (alot!) www.biosupplies.net.au/mice/They also have ducklings and quail. I checked ages ago and I thought they had chicks at one stage. When I actually get some, it would probably best to start with pinkies and then eventually increase in size wouldn't it? What sizes would be considered a meal? 120grams? I might actually order in some pinkies in next week! A pirate cockatiel...I love it. (dance)
I should make them a pirate costume >3< That would be so adorable! We're going into Nashville today, so I'll leave you a little reading on Frankenprey:ooh! that must have been fun! ^u^ yay, I'm excited to learn about frankenprey~ [/b] The idea is to have: 7-9 meals of Bone In 3-4 meals of Muscle Meat, one of which must be Heart for Taurine. 1 Organ meal of Liver plus another Organ 1 meal of Liver plus another Organ. It's nice to have an egg a week also. That will give the all important Omega 3/6's and help with excess fur from grooming. Think of it as like a hairball in cat's. [/quote]I'm not sure where I could get some Cornish Game hen. We don't have an asian grocer near where I live and i haven't been able to find any in the supermarkets. Can that be substituted? You can configure your menu to whatever suits your schedule. As you go along, you'll learn tips and tricks that work best for Haru and Yuki. You might find organ days are better on the weekends when you can watch them or that it is nice to follow Organ meals with Bone In meals for firmer poops.That sounds great! ^^ Edible bone in meat: is just that meat with bone included. It is NOT bones with just a bit of meat on them (ie: most of the meat removed). If you fed bones like this you will throw the balance of the menu off. See below for acceptable bone in meats
chicken: any / all, quail: any / all, rabbit: any / all, turkey: necks, ribs, and wing tips, duck: neck, ribs, and wing tips. pork: button bones, rib ends, cornish game hen: any / all.That gives me a better understanding. I can definitely get most of those. The only thing I may not be able to find is Cornish Game Hen, but that wouldn't matter would it? Any commercial frozen raw with 10% to 15% ground bone. Any freeze dried raw with 10%-15% ground bone.I'm yet to try any freeze dried raw. Before getting Haru and Yuki I was looking into trying freeze dried raw for treats rather than full diet. What do you think of these ones? I tried to find ones with 100% meat without fillers or any other add ins. Muscle meat: any heart meat. Chicken (including gizzard), turkey, duck, lamb, goat, beef, Cornish Game Hen (counts as chicken), venison, elk, basically any meat (unaltered such as smoked, pickled or injected with salt) without bone.hehe elk. I don't know if I can get some of that. But after some researching I found a website for a supplier. www.gamemeats.com.au/Maybe they could help me out with finding store locations for certain meats to try. Thats if my supermarket cannot get any in for me. ^^ Meats in general are always available, but its so interesting trying new meats. Maybe Yuki might like a certain meat while Haru may not (vice versa). >3< *heart is considered a muscle meat but is ABSOLUTELY necessary as it is their primary source of taurine. Lack of taurine in their diet can lead to eyesight problems and other issues.It really makes me sad that some people feed their ferrets kibble. Alot of kibble these days doesn't have taurine in it and they're so unaware that it an cause illnesses in the long run. Haru and Yuki both eat hearts and it made me so happy that they had it on the first try. Organ meat: Liver, kidney, thymus, pancreas, reproductive organs, lung, brain, basically any part of the body that secretes.I have some beef kidney in the freezer ready for them! I really want to try some other types of organs. So exciting (even though I'm super squeamish, seeing their happy eating face makes me even more happy) >3< Fat is an important part of a carnivore's diet as this is where they get their energy. It works for them in the same way carbs do for humans. Make sure to pick fattier cuts over leaner cuts when buying your meat (thigh vs. breast, shoulder vs. tenderloin, etc)Speaking of Fat. Today I saw a tub of Duck fat in the supermarket. I was going to buy it, I should have bought it. I heard it can be great to use as a treat. Can tubs of fat be frozen? <.< Fattier cuts are usually cheaper as well. Chicken thigh costs me about $5 for 5 pieces. I tend to buy two at a time. Breast meat is very expensive over here. Sometimes I had to pay over $15-$20 just for 4-5 pieces. Sometimes they're on special, but for the sake of the ferrets and my wallet I consider the thigh a better choice anyway. Variety For optimal health a minimum (more is preferable) of 3 different proteins need to be in the diet.At least one of the minimum 3 proteins needs to be something other than: chicken, rabbit, cornish game hen or fish. This is to ensure enough Vit B, iron and a good base of taurine in the diet (most taurine comes from the heart in the diet however).With the protein meats, can turkey be used? I'm thinking, Pork, Beef & duck as well? I actually didn't know that ferrets could eat fish. Can they eat any seafood? like scallops or shrimp? (apparently those also have protein.) I might have read elsewhere that they couldn't have fish, but anyway, what kinds of fish are they able to eat? Fresh Tuna? I'm not sure if seafood has taurine---- I just found out that Scallop's have endogenous high taurine and glycine. I originally thought that Taurine could only be found in animal meat, but apparently fish also. Interesting. (http://www.livestrong.com/article/157099-what-foods-contain-taurine/) So far I've learnt that Ferrets have taurine through meats, especially hearts, and any excess taurine comes out through their urine. So basically as long as they're fed the right balanced amounts of raw meats then we shouldn't have to worry if they aren't getting enough Taurine. ^^ Any questions so far?I may have asked them all above haha! Hugs to Yuki and Haru, and I'll check back in later.:wave3:My sweet goofy Wynstan is rather slow at grasping the concept of hiding things. Except for his one special treasure, a catnip cigar. I will pass by him sometimes when he is in the process of moving his treasure. He freezes and then slinks down low and pretends he doesn't see me.Awh! He's such a cutie! >3< Wynstan has a unique hiding place~ Haru & Yuki don't really have a special treasure yet. Unless you count my slippers as Yuki's special treasure... hahaha! They both tried to take one of my jumpers this morning... They're so funny. I can just imagine a ferret doing that! Does catnip effect ferrets? I was walking down past my roommates room (which is open) and Yuki bolted straight under her bed, then poked his head out watching me. My instant reaction was "What did you do?" He looked so guilty, yet he didn't do anything cheeky. I woke up this morning and put my foot down onto an empty ferret plate. Someone was trying to tell me something. Someone wants food! When Katt lived in Alaska, she would take orders for Ulas. I'll be in Alaska in August, and if you want to wait until then, I'm buying one and I'll get you one. My treat.I want to go to Alaska! It's been on my list of places I would love to visit. It would be such a beautiful place to draw some nature related artworks~ Wow, Taking orders, What a lovely thing to do! How much are Ula knives in Alaska? I would love to give you the money for one. Thank you for offering~ They do seem to begin the weight loss in spring and also lose a little more in the summer. I don't know what got into me this year, but I haven't weighed mine lately.Spring is around the corner so i'll be sure to see any changed. Haru and Yuki's weight seems to be going steady. I'm actually quite happy with their weights at the moment and they also seem to be eating alittle more. ^^ How much do yours weigh? ;u; Some ferrents buy tiles and they stay nice and cool. There are some nice tips around and I'll gather them up and post them for you.Tiles are a great idea! My roommate's room has a walk in wardrobe thats very cool in summer and also a small bathroom. So maybe they could have some free roam in those areas since we already ferret proofed them and the bathroom has tiles which are cool. ^^ Tiles are pretty cheap at our Bunnings Warehouse. I could probably get a few for about $5 for their cage. I heard of the ice block in a sock thing as well. That's right. Frankenprey is designed to mimic eating Whole prey, but using store bought foods.I found that when I built a menu and looked at it, it was easier then doing the reading first. So, I've done that in the above post and then we will talk about nutrients and what is found in which protein. I have a small whiteboard on my fridge with their menu plan. I can look at it and pull out the next meal to defrost in the fridge. I have a whiteboard on my fridge as well! Thats a smart Idea. I'll do that as well. I'm getting some more containers soon so I'll be able to work on weekly meals more efficiently. My routine is to pick up dinner plates in the morning. Wash them and put them in the dishwasher.Put out their breakfast plates and fresh waterPull out dinner for defrostingSanitize counters and their cutting board and wash my hands.Dinner time comes and we do that again.
so far thats basically the same thing I've gotten into habit of doing. at the moment I'm working on their food the night before but after I get more containers I should be able to work on their food weekly and simply pull out to defrost the night/morning before. ^^ Excellent! As you shop for the little ones, look for seasonal sales. Here turkey is on sale around Thanksgiving in November. Ground beef during the summertime and lamb in the spring.I could have gotten more sales in the morning but I was alittle busy until the afternoon. Foodworks, the supermarket where I shop, Marks down their prices in the mornings to get rid of stocks for more foods. They're also fairly fresh as well so getting those sales is great. I found most of the sales were Chicken, Beef and Pork but I have seen turkey sometimes. Our Turkey's go on sale in December for Christmas. Chicken and Turkey are both on sale for christmas time. Oh this reminds me, I pay fortnightly for this food hamper thing for christmas time so we get tons of food and this year I got extra meats (this was before I even got ferrets) so the ferrets will have alot of pork/chicken & beef Around November/December~ Yay! I think Duck also goes on special in december. Duck can be alittle pricey, like all poultry, But I really want to try them with Duck and Turkey next fortnight. ^u^ I got them more chicken thigh and some pork today. I forgot to pick up a few more things. My dad who was lovely enough to drive me to shopping this week had to leave alittle early so I couldn't be too long and just grabbed things from the top of my mind. My roommate might be getting some chicken wings or some turkey tomorrow. ^^ Here's a picture of the Pork Butterfly Steaks. They were $4 I made some more soupie as well, so its all frozen and now in a container for when ever its needed. ^^ I cut up the pork into small and large slivers. I tried them on the small ones and at first they both stashed them. I then grabbed Haru and put her in my lap before i tried hand feeding it to her. She wasn't interested so I put her back and tried them both with the warm water running down the meat before i gave it to them. That actually got them more interested in the meat. It took some time before Yuki started actually eating the pork. I held some and haru was trying to pull it off me, eventually she took a small piece and ate it. Then I gave her the rest and she ate that too! >3< It was a start and it went better than expected~ Tomorrow I'll try putting some in the soupie and see how they take it~ Haru is just too cute in that picture. I love your pictures and videos. :boing:Haru is very adorable! >3< Thank you! I wish they would stay still for a small moment so I could get some clear photos. haha >3< I want to get a better camera with a faster shutter speed. Okay, I'm off to the big city for the day.Hugs to all:wave3:
Yay! Have fun, or if I'm late, I hope you had fun!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:42:47 GMT -5
Pinkies and chicks are tiny so I can understand that they're more treat than meal. Its easy to get hands on live animals but over here its illegal to do live prey. I considered euthanising them myself but after much thought and many videos later, I decided I couldn't do it. >o< Its pricey to get frozen mice or chicks but I'm going to put some money aside and look into getting some for them to try later on down the track. It would probably be easy to breed the feeder mice but I'd have to commit to it since its much more than breeding and euthanising for ferret food. It was also a consideration. I've owned mice in the past as pets, so I wonder if I'd be able to mentally allow myself to breed them for food. I wouldn't go and buy pet store mice for that purpose though. ;n; How did the pinkies go? Did your ferrets eat them on the first try? How long can whole prey be frozen for? I'm guessing about 6 months?
I know what you mean. I don't have the heart to feed live animals either. Paul said he would do it, but he's a softie also. The pinkies did not go over well. Each one ran off with one and stashed it. Then I had to pick up these sad little tiny bodies. I may try it again, but I've learned that some ferrents slit them open in put some oil into the cavity. I may try that. As for freezing whole prey, I did some experimenting on freezing organs. Liver doesn't last much past four months. I wouldn't freeze whole prey for more than six months. That's what I've seen on the boards. We have lots of names for frozen mice here. Like Pinkies/fuzzies/hoppers/velvets/weaners. I couldn't end up finding any reptile shops that sell frozen feeders in my area. ;n; I ended up finding this website, which I'm pretty sure is located in NSW. Compared to other sites, they seem to be the cheapest when it comes to express postage. I think it was around $25 for postage while another was up to $100 (alot!) www.biosupplies.net.au/mice/ They also have ducklings and quail. I checked ages ago and I thought they had chicks at one stage. When I actually get some, it would probably best to start with pinkies and then eventually increase in size wouldn't it? What sizes would be considered a meal? 120grams?
You guys have the coolest names for things. It is expensive to buy Whole Prey. That's why most of our ferrents breed their own. Size doesn't matter, it's the age that counts. Adults animals have more nutrients. I'm not sure when a mouse is considered an adult, but I will look into it and get back to you. I should make them a pirate costume >3< That would be so adorable!
Oh Please do...I would love to see pictures of that. We actually have a pirate in our family line. He was my first cousin, 15 generations ago. His name was Henry Mainwaring and they called him The Dread Pirate. He was so successful that the Queen gave him a commission and made him an Admiral. He wrote a treatise on Piracy. Aaaargghhhh...do I sound like a Pirate's cousin? Frankenprey questions [/quote]I'm not sure where I could get some Cornish Game hen. We don't have an asian grocer near where I live and i haven't been able to find any in the supermarkets. Can that be substituted? [/b] They may have a different name there. Technically, they are a young chicken. It may be a breed name like a terrier vs poodle. Any small game bird would be good. With new to bone ferrets, we depend on smaller birds to help get them started on bones. What you don't want, is for your menu to be chicken heavy. So, think duck/turkey/quail/pheasant/goose, whatever is available and easy to find in your area. How much do yours weighThese are averages: Roamy is 2lbs 5 ounces converts to 1133.98 he is a bulldog body type Juliet is 1lb 15.7 ounces/ converts to 521 grams ? She is a whippet body type Mika is tiny and plump. she weighs 2lbs 4 ounces/1088 grams and is a bulldog body type Wynstan is my big boy. He weighs 3lbs 4 ounces/1542 and is a bulldog Keller is tiny, tiny like a whippet. She weighs 1lb 10 ounces/498 grams and is a whippet I think I converted those correctly. (shy) I'm yet to try any freeze dried raw. Before getting Haru and Yuki I was looking into trying freeze dried raw for treats rather than full diet. What do you think of these ones? I tried to find ones with 100% meat without fillers or any other add ins.
Both of those look good. As long as it's 100% freeze dried meats, that's a great treat. It makes for foraging fun. You can hide them in overturned boxes, under blankets or even drop them in water for fishing fun. Before I fed Frankenprey, I fed FDR. It was great but so expensive. You can even make your own. GFountain did and they liked most of the meats, I think there were one or two flavors, they didn't care for. holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/5840/home-freeze-dried-jerky-treatsMaybe they could help me out with finding store locations for certain meats to try. Thats if my supermarket cannot get any in for me. ^^ Meats in general are always available, but its so interesting trying new meats. Maybe Yuki might like a certain meat while Haru may not (vice versa). >3< Each of mine has favorite foods. So, don't be surprised by their food preferences. Roamy loves shrimp, Juliet loves organ soup, Wynstan likes quail legs, Mika and Keller love duck gizzards. You might also be able to get Kangaroo, right? It's a red meat, high in protein but low in fat. We want them to have fatty food but now and again, Kangaroo wouldn't be a bad way to get red meat in their diet. Is it expensive? It really makes me sad that some people feed their ferrets kibble. Alot of kibble these days doesn't have taurine in it and they're so unaware that it an cause illnesses in the long run. Haru and Yuki both eat hearts and it made me so happy that they had it on the first try.
One of the reasons that Vets push kibble is because people think feeding raw is simply about putting out some chicken or maybe hamburger. They don't bother to understand and study a balanced menu for raw and then the important nutrients like Taurine and Calcium leave their ferrets blind or with swimmer syndrome. Yours did great on their first Heart meal. Pop Quiz question...What is another animal part that has high levels of Taurine? I have some beef kidney in the freezer ready for them! I really want to try some other types of organs. So exciting (even though I'm super squeamish, seeing their happy eating face makes me even more happy)
The ick factor for me is brains. Mine love pork brains. I hate taking them and putting them into baggies, they are so slimey. Organ hunting is like a treasure hunt. We get all excited when we find something new to try. Speaking of Fat. Today I saw a tub of Duck fat in the supermarket. I was going to buy it, I should have bought it. I heard it can be great to use as a treat. Can tubs of fat be frozen? <.< Fattier cuts are usually cheaper as well. Chicken thigh costs me about $5 for 5 pieces. I tend to buy two at a time. Breast meat is very expensive over here. Sometimes I had to pay over $15-$20 just for 4-5 pieces. Sometimes they're on special, but for the sake of the ferrets and my wallet I consider the thigh a better choice anyway.
Very Gourmet...you will have ferrets with an epicurean palate. Duck fat is wonderful. You should be able to freeze it, I never have but it will hold up under freezing. You can also buy a duck and render the fat yourself. Duck fat is expensive, we pay $9 us dollars for a small tub. I buy duck gizzards and hearts. That way I get pricey duck for alot less. Breasts are expensive here also. They are so lean luckily, I don't bother with them. I have a whiteboard on my fridge as well! Thats a smart Idea. I'll do that as well. I'm getting some more containers soon so I'll be able to work on weekly meals more efficiently.
This is a picture of my freezer. We have an extra freezer. I went to the dollar store and bought plastic bins. After shopping, I prep meals into baggies and then they go into the bins. Oh this reminds me, I pay fortnightly for this food hamper thing for christmas time so we get tons of food and this year I got extra meats (this was before I even got ferrets) so the ferrets will have alot of pork/chicken & beef Around November/December~ Yay! I think Duck also goes on special in december. Duck can be alittle pricey, like all poultry, But I really want to try them with Duck and Turkey next fortnight. ^u^
I don't understand Fortnightly, lol. What is this, a holiday or like a payment plan? That was a great buy on pork. Wow! My sister has a pet pig in her house. We're not allowed to say the Bacon word around Wilson. He was a micro mini pig and is now a couch with an attitude at over 60lbs. I made some more soupie as well, so its all frozen and now in a container for when ever its needed. ^^ I cut up the pork into small and large slivers. I tried them on the small ones and at first they both stashed them. I then grabbed Haru and put her in my lap before i tried hand feeding it to her. She wasn't interested so I put her back and tried them both with the warm water running down the meat before i gave it to them. That actually got them more interested in the meat. It took some time before Yuki started actually eating the pork. I held some and haru was trying to pull it off me, eventually she took a small piece and ate it. Then I gave her the rest and she ate that too! >3< It was a start and it went better than expected~ Tomorrow I'll try putting some in the soupie and see how they take it~
Excellent. It's often a matter of finding just the right trick. If she will accept those slivers well, then begin reducing the amount of soup and increasing the amount of slivers and sizes. The idea is to have no soup eventually and all pieces or slivers/chunks. Some prefer slivers to chunks. Some like chunks better. It's just that ferrets tear with their front teeth and chew with their back teeth. I like slivers better for that reason. Haru is very adorable! >3< Thank you! I wish they would stay still for a small moment so I could get some clear photos. haha >3< I want to get a better camera with a faster shutter speed.
I'm still getting use to the slowness of digital cameras. Our old school cameras seemed so much faster. Okay, I'm off for awhile and you're probably asleep now. Hugs to the little ones and please tell them that I think they are doing so well. You certainly are. :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 15:18:33 GMT -5
I think haru and yuki would also stash the pinkies. That sounds like a good idea with slicing ans adding the oil. In our house we always replace frozen meat after about 3-4 months and I'll note the six months for whole prey. They also have adult mice ^^ oh wow a pirate ancestor! Thats cool!! I might ask the butcher at the supermarket about the Cornish game hen next time I'm down the street. It could be under another name like you said. Either way they should help me with finding anything other than whole chicken ^^ I would like haru and yuki to have a good variety for meats. ^^ Ooh I'm going to look up on the ferret body types. I think haru may be a whippet body type Mika is plump, how cute Its so interesting that ferrets are all sizes and shapes I made some treats today using some thigh meat. I was looking on the forum about making home made freeze dried treats. It's sounds pretty easy so I think I might try it sometime. I'm going to start training them with the treats, hopefully it works out for me lol oh I just read what you said about making my own FDR Haha. anyway, I think we have a bigger variety with FDR if it's home made. I think yuki reeeaallly loves the pork. He ended up eating harus share haha. They both ate some more earlier so I'm very happy~ Kangaroo is easy to get. Sometimes it's pricey but it's not at expensive as pork so price is no issue. ^^ I also got the impression that vets push kibble because it's like selling a product. For example vets in America pushing Marshall products etc. My vet is pro raw. Actually the whole clinic I go to is. Anyhoo, I'm sleepy so I'll reply to the rest of your message later on. Before I go, I clipped their nails today. It was a first time thing, so I think I did it well ^^ Good night!
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