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Post by lyles on Aug 8, 2015 19:01:31 GMT -5
Chinese pork ribs are the ends of the pork version of baby back ribs. The bones are short and spongy, like chicken/turkey necks. They eat a good portion of the bone and isn't hard.
Everything has bone in it except for the organs, heart and Beef.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 20:04:38 GMT -5
Okay, I'm forward your reply and awaiting Heather's response.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 6:20:20 GMT -5
Heather posted this:
If that's one more meal with bone in then that ups it a bit. Are his girls older than 1 yr of age. Under a year of age I would like them to have a minimum of 8 bone in meals If they're kits under 6 months I would like to see closer to 9 or supplementing bone meal or egg shell on organ meals, keeping a close eye on stool quality (not too dry).
Both of your girls are around six months, correct? If you would please adjust your menu to have at least 8 Bone In meals. I will forward to Heather. Then post your final exam. :wave3:
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Post by lyles on Aug 9, 2015 12:06:37 GMT -5
Heather posted this: If that's one more meal with bone in then that ups it a bit. Are his girls older than 1 yr of age. Under a year of age I would like them to have a minimum of 8 bone in meals If they're kits under 6 months I would like to see closer to 9 or supplementing bone meal or egg shell on organ meals, keeping a close eye on stool quality (not too dry).Both of your girls are around six months, correct? If you would please adjust your menu to have at least 8 Bone In meals. I will forward to Heather. Then post your final exam. :wave3: They both are 3 months old and I add bonemeal to the beef, heart and organ meals. Every meal has calcium in it.
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Post by lyles on Aug 9, 2015 12:08:09 GMT -5
Alice has been doing much better too, she is walking like a normal ferret mostly now and has even started to use the litter box (hurray!).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 14:56:38 GMT -5
I posted your comment on Bone to Heather. I think she will be more comfortable knowing that you add bone meal powder to meals. Sherry was familiar with the Pork rib ends.
Are you ready for a final exam? Here it comes:
1. List 2 good sources of Taurine.
2. Does freezing degrade Taurine?
3. Your ferret's stools are loose/soft. What is this a sign of and how can you adjust to fix it?
4. Your ferret is constipated and his stools are very hard and dry. What is this a sign of and how can you adjust to fix it?
5. What percent of the diet should be organ?
6. List 3 organs aside from liver.
7. Are gizzards a muscle meat, or an organ?
8. How long does each type of meat generally stay good: raw soup, ground meat, med-large chunks, bone-in meats, whole prey?
9. How can you tell if your ferret is too skinny?
10. Are leaner meats better for your ferret or fattier meats?
Good Luck. I know it's easy enough to look up the answers, but try to take the test first without looking for the answers, that you aren't sure of. This will help point out any areas that you might want to read a little bit more about.
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Post by lyles on Aug 9, 2015 15:35:37 GMT -5
Hearts and Beef Tongue.
Yes, however, as long as it is used within a month's time, degradation is minimal.
This is due to 1) organ meal, 2) allergy or 3) stress. In instance of 1) stools can be firmed up with bone meal. 2 by omitting source of allergy and 3, time.
Hard and dry stools are a sign of dehydration. Make sure water given is fresh and cool, for short term remedy supply soup.
About 10%
1)Kidney, 2)Spleen, 3)Lungs
Muscle Meat
Frozen, up to a year (hearts & tongues ~2 months). Ground meats and soups less, about 6 months.
Ferret's weights fluctuate throughout the seasons, as long as the ribs, back and hips are not visible.
Fatty meats are important as ferrets get their energy from the fat. However, too much fat causes loose stools. Preferred cuts should contain around 20% fat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 17:34:26 GMT -5
Hearts and Beef Tongue. Correct and all tongues will have Taurine.Yes, however, as long as it is used within a month's time, degradation is minimal. Freezing does not degrade Taurine. However Heat will degrade it.
This is due to 1) organ meal, 2) allergy or 3) stress. In instance of 1) stools can be firmed up with bone meal. 2 by omitting source of allergy and 3, time. The answer I was looking for was to add more Bone. You are right about organ meals/allergies and stress, which are usually green poops.Hard and dry stools are a sign of dehydration. Make sure water given is fresh and cool, for short term remedy supply soup. The answer that I was looking for was Too much bone.About 10% Correct. Five percent liver and five percent other organ
1)Kidney, 2)Spleen, 3)Lungs CorrectMuscle Meat CorrectFrozen, up to a year (hearts & tongues ~2 months). Ground meats and soups less, about 6 months. The answer I was looking for here, is how long do they stay good when put out for a meal. We'll have to rewrite that question to make it less confusing. Raw soup/commercial grinds and ground meat: good for approx: 6-8 hours chunks of muscle: up to 12 hours. Mine like them nice and crunchy, Eww.. Bone in can be left up to 24 hours. Whole prey is good for 48 hours.
Ferret's weights fluctuate throughout the seasons, as long as the ribs, back and hips are not visible. You should be able to see their ribs, but not feel them. If you dangle them, there should not be a waistline.
You are right about weight fluctuations. Fatty meats are important as ferrets get their energy from the fat. However, too much fat causes loose stools. Preferred cuts should contain around 20% fat. Correct. Most ferrets need a high fat diet – preferably 18% or more. Young, growing kits and very active or nursing adults do best on fat levels of about 22 – 25%.
Nicely done lyles. I will forward this to Heather to add to your menu. We will wait for her to get back to us. She usually responds within a day. :wave3:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 7:52:09 GMT -5
I am leaving for vacation on Friday. What we would like to do, is ask you to continue reading and posting. When I get back, we'll talk again about finishing you up and getting your switch completed.
I'll be back around the 24th of August. Hugs to Nei and Alice. I hope everything will be okay with that injured tail.
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Post by lyles on Aug 12, 2015 10:29:35 GMT -5
I am leaving for vacation on Friday. What we would like to do, is ask you to continue reading and posting. When I get back, we'll talk again about finishing you up and getting your switch completed. I'll be back around the 24th of August. Hugs to Nei and Alice. I hope everything will be okay with that injured tail. :wave3: Ok, sounds good, and thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 11:49:49 GMT -5
Let's see about getting your status changed.
I would like to give you another test and then please post your menu for me. I'll forward it to Heather and we'll see how it goes. This is a good overall set of questions and you've been doing this for awhile now, so you should do fine.
1. You have run out of heart, how much taurine supplement should your ferrets get? (be specific)
2. List 2 good sources of taurine.
3. What are some good emergency taurine sources if you run out of heart?
4. Does freezing degrade taurine?
5. How can you tell if your ferret is getting too much or too little bone?
6. List 3 sources of edible bone.
7. In an emergency (you run out of bone), what are 2 acceptable bone substitutes and how much should your ferrets get? (be speficic)
8. List 3 organs aside from liver.
9. Organs should consist of approximately how much liver, and how much "other" organ?
10. What percent of the diet should be organ?
11. How many meals a week should be organ, and of those meals how much needs to be liver?
12. How many different proteins does a ferret need in a week at a Minimum?
13. How often on average does a ferret need to eat?
14. About how long is a ferret's digestion time?
15. What is a healthy diet item that can be used for hairballs, and his often should you give it?
16. How long does each type of meat generally stay good: raw soup, ground meat, med-large chunks, bone-in meats, whole prey?
17. True or False: It is best to give my ferrets meals and put the food away when they are done. (Explain why)
18. Is it better to give your ferrets set meal times, or to leave food out all day for free-feeding access, and why?
Good Luck with your test. It's a little longer this time because I believe you know these answers and will do well. :wave3:
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Post by lyles on Aug 27, 2015 11:56:04 GMT -5
I just completed my inventory today, going to buy what's needed for Sept. (which isn't much). Found some great 8 & 16 oz freezer containers that I'll start storing their weekly meals in instead of baggies (less messy).
Mon AM: Ground Rabbit Mon PM: Beef Heart Tue AM: Cornish Hen Tue PM: Cornish Hen Wed AM: Ground Turkey Wed PM: Beef Thu AM: Ground Chicken Thu PM: Beef Kidney & Liver Fri AM: Pork Fri PM: Beef sat AM: Cornish Hen Sat PM: Cornish Hen Sun AM: Turkey Neck Sun PM: Chicken Liver, Heart & Beef Kidney
*Everything ground is from Hare Today and includes bone. 30 Days - 16 oz / day
Ground Rabbit - Need 6 servings (48oz) (Have 6) Cornish Hen - Need 12 Hens (Have 2, Need 10) Turkey Neck - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 11) Ground Turkey - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 9) Beef - Need 12Servings (96oz) (Have 8, Need 4{32oz}) Pork - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 1, Need 5{40oz}) Beef Heart - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 23) Chicken Heart - Need 6 1/2 Serv.(24oz) (Have 4, Need 2) Chicken Liver - Need 6 1/2 Serv.(24oz) (Have 0, Need 6{24oz}) Beef Liver - Need 6 1/4 Serv.(12oz) (Have 9) Beef Kidney - Need 6 1/4 Serv.(12oz) (Have 18)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 12:32:30 GMT -5
I just completed my inventory today, going to buy what's needed for Sept. (which isn't much). Found some great 8 & 16 oz freezer containers that I'll start storing their weekly meals in instead of baggies (less messy). Mon AM: Ground Rabbit Mon PM: Beef Heart Tue AM: Cornish Hen Tue PM: Cornish Hen Wed AM: Ground Turkey Wed PM: Beef Thu AM: Ground Chicken Thu PM: Beef Kidney & Liver Fri AM: Pork Fri PM: Beef sat AM: Cornish Hen Sat PM: Cornish Hen Sun AM: Turkey Neck Sun PM: Chicken Liver, Heart & Beef Kidney *Everything ground is from Hare Today and includes bone. 30 Days - 16 oz / day Ground Rabbit - Need 6 servings (48oz) (Have 6) Cornish Hen - Need 12 Hens (Have 2, Need 10) Turkey Neck - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 11) Ground Turkey - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 9) Beef - Need 12Servings (96oz) (Have 8, Need 4{32oz}) Pork - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 1, Need 5{40oz}) Beef Heart - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 23) Chicken Heart - Need 6 1/2 Serv.(24oz) (Have 4, Need 2) Chicken Liver - Need 6 1/2 Serv.(24oz) (Have 0, Need 6{24oz}) Beef Liver - Need 6 1/4 Serv.(12oz) (Have 9) Beef Kidney - Need 6 1/4 Serv.(12oz) (Have 18) Mon AM: Ground Rabbit Mon PM: Beef Heart Tue AM: Cornish Hen Tue PM: Cornish Hen Wed AM: Ground Turkey Wed PM: Beef Thu AM: Ground Chicken Thu PM: Beef Kidney & Liver Fri AM: Pork Fri PM: Beef sat AM: Cornish Hen Sat PM: Cornish Hen Sun AM: Turkey Neck Sun PM: Chicken Liver, Heart & Beef Kidney Everything listed as ground is a grind, correct? Like the Ground rabbit and ground chicken? What about the others like the Cornish game hens, are they a regular CGH and not a grind? The menu looks good, but we want to tweak the format. Heather will want to know that you know, what category each protein is in. For example: Monday: a.m. Ground Rabbit (grind) p.m. Beef Heart (muscle meat) Tuesday: a.m. Cornish game hen (Bone In) p.m. Cornish game hen (Bone In) Wednesday: a.m. Ground turkey (is this a grind with bone/organ and meat, or simply ground turkey. p.m. Beef (muscle meat) Thursday: a.m. Ground Chicken ( a grind or pure ground chicken) p.m. Beef Kidney and Liver (what liver protein) Organ meal Friday: a.m. Pork (muscle meat) p.m. Beef (muscle meat) are either of these grinds or simply ground meat? Saturday: a.m. Cornish Game hen (Bone In) p.m. Cornish Game hen (Bone In) or list them as grinds if they are the entire bird as a grind Sunday: a.m. Turkey neck (Bone In) p.m. Chicken liver plus Heart (what animal) and Beef Kidney (Organ meal) We also need to make it clear that you understand how to combine grinds with frankenprey meals. It's a good menu overall. Nice!
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Post by lyles on Aug 27, 2015 12:38:31 GMT -5
About 500mg/day
Heart & Tongues
Tunafish and Eggs
No
By the texture of their poops, too little its runny, too much and it's rock hard.
1) Rabbit, 2)Cornish Hens, 3)Turkey Necks
About a teaspoon of Bone Meal for every 8oz or a tablespoon of Cuttlefish Bone.
1)Kidney, 2)Lungs, 3)Spleen
Split between liver and "other"
10%
2, half portion.
3
Depends, kibble fed have to eat more often due to most of the food being indigestible fillers. They require food every few hours. Raw fed only need to eat 2-4 times a day.
~3 hours
Egg, once a week
Soups/Ground 8hrs., Chunks 12hrs., bone-in & whole 24hrs.
False. Ferrets do not always eat their fill in one feeding, they will sometimes nibble and come back 10-15 min. later and eat more. Kibble fed need food out 24/7, Raw meat can be given at once or broken up throughout the day/night depending on what it is.
Kibble fed need access 24/7, Raw portions can be split up throughout the day, as long as they have food available including their stashes.
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Post by lyles on Aug 27, 2015 12:53:28 GMT -5
I just completed my inventory today, going to buy what's needed for Sept. (which isn't much). Found some great 8 & 16 oz freezer containers that I'll start storing their weekly meals in instead of baggies (less messy). Mon AM: Ground Rabbit Mon PM: Beef Heart Tue AM: Cornish Hen Tue PM: Cornish Hen Wed AM: Ground Turkey Wed PM: Beef Thu AM: Ground Chicken Thu PM: Beef Kidney & Liver Fri AM: Pork Fri PM: Beef sat AM: Cornish Hen Sat PM: Cornish Hen Sun AM: Turkey Neck Sun PM: Chicken Liver, Heart & Beef Kidney *Everything ground is from Hare Today and includes bone. 30 Days - 16 oz / day Ground Rabbit - Need 6 servings (48oz) (Have 6) Cornish Hen - Need 12 Hens (Have 2, Need 10) Turkey Neck - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 11) Ground Turkey - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 9) Beef - Need 12Servings (96oz) (Have 8, Need 4{32oz}) Pork - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 1, Need 5{40oz}) Beef Heart - Need 6 Servings (48oz) (Have 23) Chicken Heart - Need 6 1/2 Serv.(24oz) (Have 4, Need 2) Chicken Liver - Need 6 1/2 Serv.(24oz) (Have 0, Need 6{24oz}) Beef Liver - Need 6 1/4 Serv.(12oz) (Have 9) Beef Kidney - Need 6 1/4 Serv.(12oz) (Have 18) Mon AM: Ground Rabbit Mon PM: Beef Heart Tue AM: Cornish Hen Tue PM: Cornish Hen Wed AM: Ground Turkey Wed PM: Beef Thu AM: Ground Chicken Thu PM: Beef Kidney & Liver Fri AM: Pork Fri PM: Beef sat AM: Cornish Hen Sat PM: Cornish Hen Sun AM: Turkey Neck Sun PM: Chicken Liver, Heart & Beef Kidney Everything listed as ground is a grind, correct? Like the Ground rabbit and ground chicken? What about the others like the Cornish game hens, are they a regular CGH and not a grind? The menu looks good, but we want to tweak the format. Heather will want to know that you know, what category each protein is in. For example: Monday: a.m. Ground Rabbit (grind) p.m. Beef Heart (muscle meat) Tuesday: a.m. Cornish game hen (Bone In) p.m. Cornish game hen (Bone In) Wednesday: a.m. Ground turkey (is this a grind with bone/organ and meat, or simply ground turkey. p.m. Beef (muscle meat) Thursday: a.m. Ground Chicken ( a grind or pure ground chicken) p.m. Beef Kidney and Liver (what liver protein) Organ meal Friday: a.m. Pork (muscle meat) p.m. Beef (muscle meat) are either of these grinds or simply ground meat? Saturday: a.m. Cornish Game hen (Bone In) p.m. Cornish Game hen (Bone In) or list them as grinds if they are the entire bird as a grind Sunday: a.m. Turkey neck (Bone In) p.m. Chicken liver plus Heart (what animal) and Beef Kidney (Organ meal) We also need to make it clear that you understand how to combine grinds with frankenprey meals. It's a good menu overall. Nice! The cornish hens are bone-in. All the ground (including the turkey) contains ~65%Meat/Fat, ~20%bone and 5-10% organs Thurs. am is Chicken Grind with bone included. Thurs. pm is Beef Liver Sunday is Chicken Hearts I don't adjust their organ meals because they do not like eating organs either as chunks or in their own soup. They will either eat ~half of their recommended portion or stash it & leave it until it becomes unedible. I think of it as what they get from the grinds will compensate for what they skip.
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