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Post by Jeremy's Boggle on Oct 7, 2014 0:18:14 GMT -5
I don't see anything right off wrong with her teeth. Is there a dark ring just below her gum on the upper canine? Eating chunks just may feel odd to her. I know some of my older ones acted similar to what your describing when they were learning to eat chunks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 2:45:09 GMT -5
No dark ring, just dirty teeth. She's actually doing better at chewing bone now, bigger pieces she spits out but Caillou does that too, so I make some smaller and some bigger. They're both eating about 1/4 of a quail wings worth of bones every night or every 2 nights, maybe that much, I'd have to measure it off next time but one quail wings lasts a couple days and they only get the slivers at night since when I put slivers in they don't eat a lot, so I try to give 2 oz in the morning and then they can eat whatever at night. Right now Juliet freaks out a little bit if the pieces are big,usually she runs off and stashes them, doesn't go back to eat them, just hides them, but it's not near as bad as it was. She doesn't throw her head around, or she doesn't do it very much. I love hearing that crunch of the bone, but they don't crunch it that often, they try to just swallow the slivers without chewing, which makes Juliet cough, and me have a mini heart attack.. lol I have a bottle of water next to me in case I need to drown her throat or shove my hand down there to pull out bone, little miss loves to not chew. :face:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 22:39:14 GMT -5
This morning I fed them both at the same time, I was in a hurry and couldn't sit to feed them, so I put the bowls in there (2 oz each) and added some salmon oil to it to keep them eating. When I came back several hours later there was barely any left, my scale's battery is dead and I have to buy a new battery for it tomorrow so I couldn't weigh what they didn't eat but I'm saying it was 1.5 oz each. Surprising to me that Caillou ate that much on his own.
Tonight I fed Caillou first after he got his meds. Once again my scale is dead so I couldn't weigh it, I'm thinking it was about 0.7 oz though. Plus about 10 quail slivers and bone. He ate about 7-8 slivers I'd say. He ate really good and acted really hungry, probably should have offered more but I didn't think he'd be very hungry.
Then I fed Juliet, she ate really well also. She got more than Caillou, I'd say about 1 oz, plus about 10-15 slivers, she ate about 12 slivers I'd say, because there were only 2-3 left if I remember correctly. Caillou came up and started eating her food... LOL
Caillou is feeling much, much better today. Hasn't chewed on anything and has been really energetic and hungry. I'd ay his meds are starting to work, since he started taking them Sunday night. I took Juliet's BG tonight, it was 61 and then I took it again to be sure and it was 63. So she most likely has insulinoma paired with adrenal. I have no idea what to do, even though I dealt with Neichei's insu for over a year. Still sort of in denial, hoping those test strips were bad or maybe a hair messed up the reading.. just making up excuses, trying to cope I suppose. It was so hard with Neichei, and it was such a short time ago that I lost her over that awful horrible, terrible disease. I don't want my sweet Jules to have it. I'm speaking with my Vet tomorrow about her treatment and such, and Caillou too. I really can't afford a Vet visit but I guess I'm going to have to find a way, I know her blood test is going to be between $60-$100, I don't remember exactly how much. Then any other tests, then there is the pred and diazoxide. Then she gets her des implant or lupron. Can't seem to catch a break.
Today Caillou ate 2.2 oz of soup +8 quail slivers and bone Today Juliet ate 2.5 oz of soup +12 quail slivers and bone
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 15:25:12 GMT -5
I have a question, I wanted to try another protein for them, they're on the chicken thigh soul, really thick with not a lot of movement, like pulled pork bbq but less water. My blender (magic bullet) is having a rough time blending it too. And I've been giving them slivers of quail for about 2 weeks I tried it a few weeks ago but stopped for a week and have started it back. They eat the slivers well, and they're maybe about double the size as the nail crescent. They'll eat it quite a bit bigger if it's just meat and not bone, but they won't eat larger bone pieces.
Was thinking of trying beef, as suggested by poncesmom, since it will be good for Juliet and also Caillou. But didn't know what type to get, or if I should puree it or cut it into slivers and how much to give and such?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 15:34:45 GMT -5
I have lamb meat in my freezer, it's a red meat and I just remembered I have it. Can I use that instead of beef to try first?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 21:57:29 GMT -5
Okay this morning they didn't eat due to an unplanned event with my brothers and niece sprung on me at last minute.
Since I didn't post last night I'll let you guys know what they ate. Last night I added 25 slivers of lamb meat (per fert) to their regular soupy. I fed Juliet that first and she LOVED it. Gobbled up all the soup and all the slivers like a champ. Then I gave it to Caillou, he was no way putting it into his mouth so I added a little ferretone and he decided he loved it too.
So tonight I fed Juliet first. 2 oz of soupy with much bigger lamb slivers, 0.5 oz of them (the lamb is thin like paper so I made the pieces bigger) and offered it to her. She ate a bunch of the lamb and a little of the soupy but she wasn't very hungry at all, she only ate 0.5 oz. Which I'm not worrying too much about because if she doesn't eat that morning she won't eat a lot at night. So I'll just make sure she eats her regular 2 oz tomorrow.
Then I fed Caillou. 2 oz of soupy with 0.5 oz of lamb slivers. I didn't add any ferretone and he wasn't happy about that, it took forever but once he got the lamb into his mouth he liked it again and ate many of the slivers. He ate 1.5 oz of it.
Happy to report Caillou is feeling much better since being on his ZydaClin again. Still haven't spoken with my Vet, I'm praying I get a call tomorrow before the weekend comes as he doesn't work on Saturday (or Sunday, they're closed). No chewing since I think Tuesday. We did have one chewing incident earlier today, I think a lot of it was out of boredom because Juliet wouldn't play with him and he had already been playing for hours. He went at it with my bed frame but after a scruff and a firm "no" he apologized to me with cuddles.
Today Juliet ate 0.5 oz of soup today +lamb slivers Today Caillou ate 1.5 oz of soup today +lamb slivers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 21:25:21 GMT -5
It's been 6 weeks since the switch so weights and pictures to come. Caillou's weight on 10-11-14 47.8 oz Caillou- Juliet's weight on 10-11-14 26.0 oz This morning I fed Caillou first after his meds then Juliet, I have actually forgotten how much they both ate... I think it was 1.5 oz each..? Oops, should write it down. Tonight I fed Caillou first, I offered him 1 oz of soup with .2 oz of quail slivers. He ate a few slivers and a little bit of soup but he was being a meanie about it so I completely gave up out of frustration and decided not to make him eat. He only ate .3 oz. Then I fed Juliet, she wasn't very hungry either, she got what Caillou got. She ate .6 oz of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 20:05:46 GMT -5
Just a quick update for them, I'm not feeling well and have taken some medicine and am going to sleep.
This morning when I fed them Juliet ate 1.3 oz and Caillou ate 1 oz. Tonight I offered them both 1.3 oz but I just put the bowls in their cage and added a little ferretone to it, Caillou finished off his bowl completely then went for Juliets, Jules is eating now, I'd say Cai has eaten 1.5 oz and Jules 1 oz.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 23:02:23 GMT -5
This morning I fed Juliet first, it was at 2:30 as I slept in really late since I felt bad yesterday. She ate 2 oz of soup pretty well. Then I fed Caillou, he ate 1.5 oz of the soup fairly well. Tonight I took poncesmom's advice and just gave them a plate of slivers to see how they liked that, so I cut up some chicken thigh and gave them each 1.4 oz. I fed Juliet first, I sat on my bed and offered her the slivers, I added some salmon oil, probably more than I should have, but she ate VERY well. She ate all but a few, she ate 1.1 oz which is a whole lot considering the amount they were eating with the soup. She seemed to enjoy it, but wouldn't have eaten that many if I didn't add salmon oil so I will work on getting her to eat it without it. Then I fed Caillou, he wasn't a fan. I had to add salmon oil or else he was in no way touching it. He ate 0.4 oz of slivers, and spit a lot of them out. But that is still a lot more than he ate before, and they were bigger than before too. I didn't give either of them any soup since they ate enough that morning. I had soup for Juliet ready because I didn't think she would eat that many and I knew she needed to eat for her insu, but because she ate so much I didn't give her the soup. I didn't give it to Caillou either, he can get a little hungry and be okay, so hopefully he will eat good in the morning for me. Very proud of my two. It's been a month and a half since they've had any dry kibble or any other food but raw, they're looking great, smelling good, and it has taken longer than I hoped but they're getting there. I took a comparison picture of the sliver size they started at, and the sliver size they are ate now, and put them beside a quarter. Here is the picture, the one on the right is the size they started at and the left is the size they eat now-
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 21:46:21 GMT -5
This morning I fed Juliet first, she ate 1.5 oz of the normal soupy. I held and spoon fed her some.
Then I fed Caillou, he ate 0.8 oz of soup, he was in no way eating any more and made that clear with several scratches all over my arms. Ugh.
Tonight I fed Juliet first, I decided to just give her slivers and not soup. So I cut up some lamb, chicken thigh, and quail and mixed it together and she got 1 oz of that, but she only ate 0.3 oz of it and wouldn't without salmon oil.
Then I fed Caillou the same mixture, he wasn't a fan. He didn't eat enough to count as anything, maybe .1 oz, when I weighed it was going back and forth, so just a few pieces.
We are getting a DES implant for Juliet either this weekend or next week, a Vets office in Alabama is shipping it to us. Tomorrow I have an appointment at 3:00pm for Juliet to have her BG checked and for Caillou to have a steroid shot and new meds.
Today Juliet ate 1.8 oz of soup + slivers Today Caillou ate 0.8-0.9 oz of soup + slivers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 20:55:15 GMT -5
I took them to the Vet, he decided to give Caillou a steroid shot of I think prednisone and then keep him on the ZydaClin for 2 weeks. Then he checked Juliet's BG and it was 72, she was doing so well today though, she was running around and playing and very energetic. He came back and said she peed all over the place and he didn't get enough blood to do my meter too :face: but we're putting her on .1 mg of prednisone twice a day and seeing if it helps her. When we went to pay, the tech told us that a little birdy stopped by and put money in our account, so it was free and we still have $30 left in it. It was Belinda, she put $87 in for us and it was $56. Almost broke down in tears but didn't, it just has been so hard and to have that was huge for me.
I fed Juliet first this morning, she ate 1 oz of soupy pretty well.
Then I fed Caillou, he ate 1.2 oz of soupy.
Tonight I fed Juliet first, gave her the pred which she absolutely hated and spit some out too, she was screaming and scratching at me and trying to get away, it was awful. But then I fed her and she ate 1 oz really well.
Then I fed Caillou after his meds, he ate 1 oz like a bottomless pit, I didn't offer more than 1 oz but he probably would have eaten at least .5 to 1 oz more if I did.
Today Juliet ate 2 oz of soup Today Caillou ate 2.2 oz of soup
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 9:40:55 GMT -5
Sorry haven't posted in a while, weekends can be pretty busy for me.
Starting Thursday night I've been giving them some ground turkey, they didn't really like it at first but are getting a little better with eating it. They ate some last night, I was too tired and so just put the bowl in the cage and added a little salmon oil and let them eat. I offered them 1 oz each, I'd say they ate maybe 0.5 oz. Going to keep with the turkey for a few more days.
So far haven't seen much of a change in them. I haven't seen them very much this weekend but I think Juliet may be playing more. Caillou is still chewing but is a little better, he's going at it with his denim, but not anything outside of the cage for a couple days now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 10:42:46 GMT -5
I know it's a little late but here are their body pictures and weights for Saturday, October 18th. Caillou- Juliet- Caillou's weight is 42.0 ounces Juliet's weight is 25.3 ounces
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 22:23:39 GMT -5
Update on the ferts.
Juliet is feeling better now that she is on prednisone, so she's confirmed insulinomic. Caillou got his first dose of the stronger medicine for his gingivitis tonight, it's Baytril 100 and should start working in a few days. They're eating great, today we found Caillou LOVES pork, we're thinking he has a chicken allergy so am doing just pork soup, it's imbalanced because I gotta find some pork heart and liver but should be getting it this time next week.
This morning they both ate 2 ounces of their normal chicken soupy, they ate all on their own, I haven't had to hold them in my lap or spoon feed them for several days now.
Tonight I fed Juliet 2.0 ounces of chicken soup, she ate all on her own and every bit.
Then I fed Caillou 2.0 ounces of pork soup mixed with 0.5 ounces of the normal chicken soup, and he loved it and ate every bit and was licking the bowl clean. The poops are a little weird, some bigger then smaller then lighter then darker. Caillou had a suspected blockage from denim he chewed but we did blockage protocol from 7:30pm to 12:30am and didn't see any fabric and that was 2 days ago, he's acting fine and eating great, he only poops every 6 hours or so though, I'm still worried for him so I'm doing 1 tsp of canned pumpkin once a day for a few days, he already had a little bit of an orangeish poop a few hours after giving him the pumpkin, it was a little too formed I'd say, but I think I added a little too much eggshell powder to their soup last time I made it so I add a little water in now.
Today Juliet ate 4 ounces of soup Today Caillou ate 4.5 ounces of soup
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 17:10:04 GMT -5
Emily, I'm going to lock this Thread, since you have an official Switching Thread now.
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