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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 0:47:46 GMT -5
This morning I fed Caillou first, he acted very distracted and stressed out, he really didn't want to eat, I barely got him to eat but he ate 1 oz of soup. Then I fed Juliet, she was a little more willing to eat, I gave her Caillou's leftovers and she ate all of it, 1 oz. Tonight I fed Caillou first, he was still acting distracted/stressed but he ate 1.7 oz, which was all of it, with some fighting about it towards me. Then I fed Juliet, she was again more willing to eat, she also ate 1.7 oz (I split 3.5 oz of soup) so she ate all of it. They've been stressed out, I think they feel mine and all the families stress. Their poops are normal, they're playing okay, they're just acting weird. I suppose the stress is getting to both of them, it hasn't been the best few weeks, my grandfather is very sick and so their are people coming in and out visiting and we've all been feeling the pressure, including the ferrets now I'm guessing. I'm coddling them, they're getting salmon oil an ferretone without a second thought.. I figure someone should be happy, and they deserve it. I took their weights and 3 week progress pictures yesterday, they weighed less which I knew couldn't be right but I weighed them 3 different times and it was the same. The only thing that was different is I weighed them before I fed them, for the past 3 times I've weighed them after they ate, and they would eat a lot. So then I weighed Caillou after he ate this morning, and he gained a few ounces. So their weights are less, but from now on I'm weighing them before they eat for an accurate number. Juliet - 27.0 ounces Caillou- 51.0 oz I thought it was funny they're both evenly at __.0 oz.. (giggle) Pictures, Juliet- Juliet again- Caillou- Caillou again- Caillou has changed so much, his fur is super soft, darker, and they're starting to smell less. Juliet has also changed, you can't really see it through a picture but her fur is crazy soft and plush, and really, really thick. Everyone is always amazed at how thick her fur is, especially since she is adrenal. She is less yellow too. 9-21-14
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 22:02:08 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't posted in a while, my grandfather was very ill, and he passed away Tuesday so it's been a really rough week.
Today is the ferrets 1 month switch date!!! They've been on a raw diet and completely off of kibble for 1 month today. I'm so very proud of them. They would be eating slivers and such probably really well by now, but for a week they haven't gotten any because of our situation, it's been hard enough to find time to sit and feed them, I haven't been home. But I'm starting slivers back Monday and hopefully they'll take to it same as last time. Currently their soup hasn't changed in consistency in a week, it's been thick and stringy, like pulled pork BBQ. They've been eating normally all week, today they ate very very well, they didn't try to get away, the licked the bowl clean (both ate 3 oz) even when they got 2 full oz this morning each, they ate like they had never eaten, I'm sure they would've eaten more but I only got 1 oz each out for them.
They're doing very well generally, poops are normal, they're looking amazing, less yellow, more fluffy, Caillou is very beautiful and soft, and Juliet is too, since she's white you can't really see the coat change very well but it's there. They started smelling less, until a few days ago and they smell awful right now, not necessarily their poop, I mean it smells bad but it's not awful, it's how it always is. Juliet smells terrible, her breath is like something died in her mouth (not rancid but it stinks) and just herself smells, Caillou doesn't really smell too bad. I don't know what it is, when I walk into my room, where they stay, it's absolutely terrible smell. I had to spray stuff on my carpet and in the air to try and mask the smell. And I just spring cleaned my room on Friday, swept, mopped, washed my sheets, washed every single piece of fabric the ferrets had, changed their litter boxes, wiped everything down, and within 1 day the smell is back and it's bad. I thought detoxing was only a few weeks, and I thought they were done, but I don't know where this is coming from. Maybe it's just me. I mean the smell isn't like, knocks you down terrible, it's just they were starting to smell better (to me) and now they're back to when they were first detoxing.
Anyways, I'm taking progress pictures tonight and probably posting them tonight, but I'm weighing them first thing in the morning because I've already fed them tonight and I have to weigh them before they eat or they gain however much they ate (a little less but still at least 1 oz) so I'll do it as soon as I wake up Sunday, before they eat. I have to add that, their personalities have changed, in a good way. Juliet was really jumpy and playful yesterday, she was running around and digging in her rice box and playing everywhere, she never does that. And Caillou will climb onto my bed, lay right next to me or lay right on my stomach or chest and go to sleep for hours, he'll wake up and move to my side and curl up on my arm, it's so sweet, and in the year I owned him he never did that not even once, until I switched their diet. He's done it 3-4 times just this month, cuddles for over an hour. Tonight he layed right on me and slept for 2 hours, changed positions 3 times and still cuddled with me, so sweet! He'll jump up on my bed several times during play time and crawl up on me to let me give him scratches and loves for a few minutes, then goes back to play. Juliet has been a little more open to letting me hold or pet her, but there is no way she would ever lay down and let me cuddle her, she's not like that. She'll give you kisses and she never gets into anything, but no cuddles unfortunately.
Today Juliet ate 3 oz of soup Today Caillou ate 3 oz of soup
Will edit and add pictures soon
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 1:29:03 GMT -5
Caillou's before and after; first picture is the day they started raw and went off kibble, and the second is today, 1 month later. Obviously Caillou has a huge change, his fur is darker, thicker, softer, he's gained weight, he is silky and just beautiful. I've gotten a ton of comments on how healthy and great he looks. Caillou's other before and after from dangling, first set is one week after he started since I didn't take them until them, and the second set is today 1 month later Not much change you can tell from these pictures, but it's there. Juliet's before and after; first is when we started, second is now 1 month later Not a huge change, but it's definitely there. She is much more white, and she has gained weight and her fur is very thick, soft and lush. Juliet's other before and after, from dangling. Again it's just 3 weeks; It seems that she is whiter in the first one, but it's just the second picture is really crappy, in reality she is much whiter than before.
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Post by Thérèse on Sept 29, 2014 6:22:42 GMT -5
You are doing well and it's great that Juliet and Caillou are discovering their inner carnivore
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 22:55:19 GMT -5
This morning I fed Juliet first, she ate 2 oz of soup this morning very well, no hesitation.
This morning I fed Caillou second, he ate 1.5 oz of soup, he didn't want any more after 1 oz and he was even fussy with that but I got him to eat a little more, he wasn't very hungry.
Tonight I fed the ferts with some help for my sister whom didn't want to wait for me to finish feeding them to watch a rented movie, so she helped out to speed it up. Of course she then realizes that Juliet takes one tiny lick at a time and takes them 30 minutes to eat. LOL.
I added slivers of quail wings, they wouldn't eat them alone on a plate, even with salmon oil, so I put them in there soup. They tried their best to eat around them, but ended up eating a few slivers, Caillou ate more than Juliet, but neither of them ate a lot. They only ate maybe 0.5 of the mixture, each.
Today Juliet ate 2.5 oz of soupy + quail wing slivers Today Caillou are 2.5 oz of soupy + quail wing slivers
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 12:14:55 GMT -5
Pictures of Juliet's teeth- Front, the left is chipped- Left side, missing tooth beside her fang- Right side, the one beside her fang is really chipped, barely there-
She acts like she has a really hard time chewing bone and larger slivers, she will but she throws her head around and her mouth gets all weird, she lifts her "lips" up and chews really hard/distressed like. Was thinking it has something to do with her teeth being missing and chipped. Jules is 6yrs+ we're assuming.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 22:10:35 GMT -5
This morning I fed Juliet first, she ate 2 oz of a pulled pork consistency soup, she ate very well, most of it she ate on her own, I let her sit on her shelf and eat out of the bowl instead of holding and spoon feeding her. Then I fed Caillou, he refused to eat on the shelf like Jules, so I held him and spoon fed him. He wasn't very hungry, he only ate 1 oz of soup. Tonight I fed Caillou first, he ate 1 oz of soup with me holding and spoon feeding him. Then I fed Juliet, she ate 1 oz of soup on her own sitting on the shelf, I was so proud Today Caillou ate 2 oz of soup Today Juliet ate 3 oz of soup Juliet has been eating really well, surprisingly because she's been so lethargic. My Vet is going to try and order in a single Lupron injection from UT. He called them today and is calling me back probably tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 21:20:47 GMT -5
This morning the ferts didn't eat, I was really late picking up my baby niece and I wasn't home for hours after.
Tonight I fed Juliet first, I gave her the regular soupy, 2 oz, with some small quail slivers. She ate 1.5 oz of the soup and about 15 slivers, most of the slivers she just swallowed.
Then I fed Caillou, he got the same thing Juliet got, 2 oz of soup with quail slivers. He put up a fight with me, he ate 1 oz and was no way eating any more, I tried so hard but after he scratched my arm and it started bleeding a little I stopped trying to get him to eat more. Caillou's gums are very red and inflamed and he's chewing on stuff again, not as excessively as before but enough to where I had to take out all the fabric and put denim in. I'm taking him to the vet with Juliet when she gets her lupron this week, if he has gingivitis again I already have the medicine for it, I don't know what else it would be. Poops are normal, he's acting fine, very playful as usual. But compared to Juliet's gums his are blood red and puffy. Poor baby, I don't understand why he's chewing again. He finished his meds for gingivitis I think 2 weeks ago maybe, he was on them for 10 days (ZydaClin).
My Vet hasn't called me about the lupron yet, expecting a call tomorrow hopefully.
Today Juliet ate 1.5 oz of soupy +15 quail slivers Today Caillou ate 1 oz of soupy +5-10 quail slivers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 23:30:14 GMT -5
This morning I fed Juliet first, she ate 1.5 oz of soupy very well, probably would have eaten more but I measured it wrong, she ate all on her own, put the plate on her shelf and she licked the bowl clean. It was pulled pork consistency.
Then I fed Caillou, he ate 1 oz of the soup, and was not eating one bit more and made it very clear with many scratches and head turns and flopping all over the place. He abuses me.. LOL
Tonight I fed Juliet first, she got 1 oz of the same soup with about 5 slivers of quail wing (bones) and about 5 slivers of quail meat from the side. She ate well, since there was slivers I held her in my lap and spoon fed a little bit, she ate all that I gave her, she had trouble with the bone, took 2 pieces across my room to several different places until she settled with under the cage, spit it out, picked it back up and chewed a little, spit it out, and did that a few times until she finally gave up and left. When it came to the pieces of quail meat with no bone, they were bigger than the bone pieces and she ate those really well.
Then I fed Caillou, he got 1.5 oz of soupy with the same amount of slivers of quail and bone as Jules. He wasn't happy about it and he didn't want them in there, he ate around them when he could but ended up eating most of them, usually on accident. He spit the others out, mostly the bone. He only ate 1 oz, he was being difficult about it and kept wanting to leave.
The good thing about today is that Juliet played for a good 1 hour, for the first time in a long time. Caillou was so happy he was wagging his tail (giggle) it was the cutest thing ever. They were in there tunnel biting and hissing then dooking and dancing, I was really excited for Cai because her play rejection always makes him sad. The bad thing about today is that first my Vet calls and says he can't get lupron shipped because they have to freeze it then defrost it right before the injection and they can't ship it to him because of that, and said if I wanted it I could drive 2 hrs to UT and they could possibly give her the shot. And he checked all nearby Vets within the same distance of UT and none of them carry it because they don't see enough ferrets or birds to have it on hand. Then he checked on the deslorelin for me and he cannot get it anywhere until November. So I'm screwed and need to plan a road trip to college for my ferret every single month until November then possibly take out a loan in Juliet's name. And I can't get enough blood out of her paw for a bg reading.. trying again tomorrow. :face:
Today Juliet ate 2.5 oz of soup +10 slivers of quail and bone (more less) Today Caillou ate 2 oz of soup +5-10 slivers of quail and bone
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 11:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by nancyl on Oct 3, 2014 14:31:15 GMT -5
I think the gingivitis is back. Start him on meds since you have them. I haven't read back through this whole thing but have his teeth actually been cleaned? It sounds like that would be the next step.
As far as the lupron goes, it's become pretty difficult to get. Most states have tightened up the regs for stuff from compounding pharmacies after the debacle with all the fungal infections from the place in Tennessee. The state of Arkansas has done this, I know. I talked with my vet back in the spring and she said it was pretty much impossible to get now. I have no idea what all her clients who were using it are doing. I haven't talked with her about it since then. The Virbac fiasco accounts for the deslorelin shortage and that won't resolve until they get their sh!t together.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 14:50:08 GMT -5
I think tomorrow I'll call and leave a message for my Vet to call me back, I have to tell him my decision about whether I'm driving to UT or not and we're figuring it out tonight. I'll ask him if I can do another course of ZydaClin with Caillou, I doubt he'll need to see him again, he has the same symptoms. I don't feel comfortable starting him on medicine without the okay from my Vet, I'm a worrier. Caillou hasn't chewed on anything since Wednesday I think, nothing outside of the cage and nothing in the cage, though all that's in there is denim and he hates denim to chew. I'm putting a blanket or two back in there under supervision to see if he does chew it, but his gums are still inflamed and red. I haven't had his teeth cleaned, my Vet hasn't mentioned a need for it and in all honesty I didn't know they were that bad but if it needs to be done I can scrounge for the money.. can't be until at the earliest the end of the year, maybe. My dog needs his cleaned but it's a matter of who goes first, Vet said my dog has a year before they start falling out and rotting :face: Yorkies and kibble huh Just to be sure it's clear- the pictures above is of Juliet's teeth, she doesn't have the gingivitis problem she has the bone chewing problem, Caillou can chew just fine, he's made that painfully clear.
In case any of you don't know, Caillou is 5yrs old male and Juliet is 6yrs old female (based on teeth) just so you don't have to look through the thread for their ages.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 23:58:51 GMT -5
Tonight I fed Caillou first, after I gave him 0.3 ml of his ZydaClin the vet gave a few weeks ago for gingivitis. I'm sure he has it again, and I doubt there is any harm in 1-2 doses before I speak on the phone with my Vet about it. Then I fed Caillou his thick soupy, which he hates because of how thick it is, and I added some slivers of quail leg a tiny bit bigger than last time. He didn't eat very willingly and he spit out some of the slivers. He ate between 5-7 slivers and 1 oz of soup.
Then I fed Juliet, she got the same soup but a little more thin because it was a few days ago's batch that was leftover. I put about 15 slivers of quail lg in there, a little bigger than last time. She ate 1.5 oz of the soup and about 10+ slivers. She ate really well, most of it on her own with no holding or spoon feeding.
Today Caillou ate 1 oz of soup +7 quail leg slivers Today Juliet ate 1.5 oz of soup +10 or more quail leg slivers
Saturday was 1 month and 1 week of being off kibble and on raw. Pictures and weights coming tomorrow, I know it's pretty late but I completely forgot about it. :face:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 21:04:16 GMT -5
Saturday's weights and pictures have arrived. Caillou's weight is 48.3 oz Juliet's weight is 26.0 oz They've both lost weight, Caillou lost almost 3 oz in 2 weeks, and Juliet lost 1 ounce in 2 weeks. I don't understand why? Caillou hasn't been eating much in the past week, I figured he was slowing down, and he's most likely got gingivitis again and hasn't eaten a lot since he's been chewing again. Juliet has been eating more than Caillou, but I figured her adrenal is what is causing the loss. Caillou on October 6th, 2014 Juliet on October 6th 2014 Will post dangling pictures later, laptop is almost dead and my charger is broken.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 23:41:54 GMT -5
Can't post the dangling pictures because I'm on my phone as my laptop has died and I broke my charger.
This morning I fed Caillou first, he got his meds then I offered him 2 oz of soup, he ate 1.2 oz.
Then I fed Juliet, I offered her 2 oz of the soup and she ate 1 oz.
Tonight I made a new batch of soup, same consistency as usual, pulled pork BBQ because Caillou still doesn't really like the consistency yet and I don't think they're ready for it to be thicker.
I fed Caillou first tonight, after his meds I offered him 1 oz of soup with .2 oz of quail slivers so on his plate was 1.2 oz. He ate pretty good, he ate 0.8 oz of it and about 15 slivers of quail, they were bigger than last time too.
Then I fed Juliet, she got the same as Caillou and ate all of it, 1.2 oz and all but just a few slivers that didnt count for anything on my scale. She ate about 15 or 20 slivers, most of them were bone and the bigger ones she gagged on a little bit but ate most of them, she ate very well and ate the slivers really good.
Today Caillou ate 2 oz of soup + 10-15 slivers of quail Today Juliet ate 2.2 oz of soup +15-20 quail slivers
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