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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 1:47:49 GMT -5
That makes me feel a lot better! Look at those little carnivores aww! OK I'm going to skip the soup for now and just make up a normal meal plan. I'll post it when I'm done so it can be checked in case I've put something in there that's too big for a baby. Thankyou so much everyone
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Post by Sherry on Aug 30, 2014 9:02:43 GMT -5
By 8-9 weeks old they are more than capable of chowing down on whole chicken wings
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Post by gfountain on Aug 31, 2014 9:02:36 GMT -5
From my admittedly limited kit experience, I would say just start her with whole meats rather than soup. She will need to learn to eat soup at some point, but as a kit she's going to need to chew on something and bone is the best thing for that. My Minnie was 10 weeks old when she came home. She's a Marshall's baby, so kibble was all she knew. The first thing she did in her new home was steal a pork chop from her big brother and eat it bone and all. She never looked back. Anything I offered, she ate. She crunched bones like a pro from day one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 9:46:21 GMT -5
Ah brilliant! Im feeling a lot more confident now I've slowly been putting together a meal plan, with both raw and whole prey. I think I'll start off mainly raw and slowly build up the amount of whole prey. I have such a wide choice its getting really difficult to make up a menu! Think I'll just swap it around every week or couple weeks! At least she won't get bored! all I've been talking about to my boyfriend is raw meat and ferret diet haha but after all this research he wants to introduce a raw diet to Gandalf as well. (Our 3 year old dog) so going to have to read up on that too! Anyone know if lamb organs are beneficial? And lamb tongue? Can't imagine its something they would eat in the wild, but its easy to get here. Can't wait to get her off kibble, I'm so excited about it. Hopefully, whenever I visit my breeder (I've agreed to pop in every once in a while so they can have cuddles and see how she's doing) they will see how amazing she looks and want to raw feed too! I can't wait until she's here, but I must admit I'm so grateful I have all this time to prepare! You guys are wonderful, I would be a nervous wreck without all your advice yay for HFF
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 10:03:53 GMT -5
Organs are beneficial, no matter what animal that they come from. For our purposes, Organs are defined as Secreting Organs, so kidney/liver/thymus/spleen/brains/pancreas are all good organs. Tongue is a muscle meat and full of Taurine. So, Lamb tongue would be quite good. A lamb tongue would be quite large and you could portion it out and get quite a few meals.
In the Frankenprey menu, there are four meals of muscle meat. Tongue would be one of those. Tongue can be a substitute for hearts in the one meal of Liver plus another organ plus a half meal of hearts.
I know how excited you must be. It's so hard to have to wait, but it won't be long now. (dance)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 10:12:08 GMT -5
Organs are beneficial, no matter what animal that they come from. For our purposes, Organs are defined as Secreting Organs, so kidney/liver/thymus/spleen/brains/pancreas are all good organs.
Tongue is a muscle meat and full of Taurine. So, Lamb tongue would be quite good. A lamb tongue would be quite large and you could portion it out and get quite a few meals.
Lamb is also a red meat, high in Iron and vitamin B. It can be a strong flavor and not everyone likes it.
In the Frankenprey menu, there are four meals of muscle meat. Tongue would be one of those. Tongue can be a short term substitute for hearts in the one meal of Liver plus another organ plus a half meal of hearts.
I know how excited you must be. It's so hard to have to wait, but it won't be long now. (dance)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 11:15:11 GMT -5
Hmmm...this posted twice and even though, I deleted the second post, it popped up again.
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Post by gfountain on Sept 1, 2014 14:01:34 GMT -5
Tongue can be a substitute for hearts... Just want to clarify this.. I believe only the tongue of a RUMINANT can substitute for heart. Not all tongue is equal in the amount of taurine it has. Sheep however are ruminants and therefore their tongues are high in taurine. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that. bitbyter??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 14:06:14 GMT -5
Oh, good point. I'll be curious to see the clarification. Thanks gfountain.
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Post by bitbyter on Sept 1, 2014 17:18:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately we only have the Taurine numbers for BEEF tongue, so that is the only one I recommend. Theoretically, yes it should be all ruminants tongues but since we don't have the numbers I'd just stick with Beef tongue as an acceptable replacement for heart in the diet.
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Post by bitbyter on Sept 1, 2014 17:22:49 GMT -5
I actually called our local university that teaches food science and they didn't even have the equipment to determine taurine content of foods. I was trying to see if we could group fund a study to get some of the holes filled in regarding the taurine data we have. They directed me to a multi-national food lab but I never got any response from the multiple times I tried to contact them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 6:17:43 GMT -5
Can I feed lamb tongue as a muscle meat? I'm still going to be feeding heart, as well as whole prey so it wouldn't be a substitute. I'll have to see if I can find beef tongue. Ferrets can't have 'too much' taurine can they?
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Post by gfountain on Sept 2, 2014 8:51:52 GMT -5
Sure, you can feed lamb tongue as muscle.. that's what it is. Beef tongue is one of the favorite meals at my house. My kids don't fuss much, but they will fight over the last bite of tongue. And taurine is water-soluble, so excess flushes through their system. So no, they can't overdose on taurine.
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