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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 9:53:03 GMT -5
okay O.O I understand everything, but i put the cornish game hen in the freezer... oops. So can I do a chicken wing this am? She's been pretty good about accepting new proteins so I dont think that will be a problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 10:49:52 GMT -5
That's fine. Did she have soup for breakfast?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 10:59:25 GMT -5
No I crushed up a chicken wing. She chomped some bones!! Yay! but she didnt eat very much. Im going to try again in a little bit.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 11:12:17 GMT -5
Wow, chomping bones is great. I think we just have to get use to the fact, that Evanna doesn't eat much. How often during the day, will she eat? Are you leaving the food out, at night and during the day?
Have you written down a menu yet, based on your shopping trip? We want you to learn to build a menu (that's part of graduation). So, when you get a chance, build your menu and post it here. Don't hesitate to ask any questions and use the guideline, that I posted. You can rearrange it, as you like. We want to work on the bones, so I would suggest a Bone In meal every day, and you can decide whether, you like doing the Bone In meal, in the morning or evening. Some days will be all Bone In and you can fit the Muscle meat and organs into whatever day, works best for you.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 11:19:14 GMT -5
she'll usually eat every 30 min or so? I think its more she gets tired of me holding her and wants to do something else. I do leave food out for her to munch on during the day and at night. Sometimes she'll eat a couple pieces of dryish meat at night, but she's not great at eating by herself. I did chop the wing into very small pieces and I think that helped her want to eat it I'm planning the menu right now
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 11:57:58 GMT -5
I thought that I would show you how I did my menu plan. It's old fashioned (but so am I), and I'm a visual learner. Anyway, this is what worked for me:
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 12:52:24 GMT -5
Okay so I hope this looks okay and I'm going to try and look for quail this weekend to add another protein and maybe replace the pork with quail.
MENU Monday AM-bone in: chicken wing PM- pork meat
Tuesday AM-chicken hearts PM-bone in: chicken neck
Wednesday AM- organ soup (chicken liver and beef kidney) + hearts PM- bone in: cornish hen
Thursday AM- bone in: chicken wing PM- bone in: chicken wing
Friday AM- bone in: cornish hen PM- ground turkey or chicken thighs
Saturday AM- organ soup (half liver, half beef kidney) PM- bone in: cornish hen
Sunday AM- ground turkey with egg PM-bone in: chicken neck
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 12:55:05 GMT -5
or maybe ill replace some of the chicken stuff with quail.. I'm not sure, but I do want to feed mostly small game so turkey, chicken, CGH, and quail mostly with maybe the occasional rabbit.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 13:28:48 GMT -5
That looks good. I count 8 Bone In meals, 4 muscle meats and your two organ meals plus 1/2 meal of hearts. Great! And we have four proteins, chicken/turkey/CGH/ and beef. That's a good start. You started your menu on Monday, but do you plan on starting this, tomorrow?
Bone In is defined as the Non weight bearing bones of an animal, as small or smaller than a chicken. Alot of people will use mice or guinea pigs, rabbit is a small animal. I haven't begun with mice yet. Unless you count the mouse that Juliet caught and killed, but didn't eat.
I sent Heather a reminder about our thread, but until then, do you want to weigh Evanna and post her weight. Also, keep an eye out on her Poop. You should see a firmer one from the bone.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 13:32:28 GMT -5
I dont think I could do mice... my hamster might eat my face off. And yes I plan on starting this menu immediately I just like things to start on monday for some reason. ill weigh her right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 13:35:54 GMT -5
She's still at 1.5 lb
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 13:47:13 GMT -5
Well, she's at a good weight for a small female. She looks alot like my Juliet. Some people call their body types, Whippets. Juliet thinks its Winter now and is at her heaviest. She weighs 1 lb 14 oz. Usually she is right around Evanna's weight.
So, just for study purposes, here is a reminder of what we are working on and some definitions, to reinforce what you already know:
For new raw feeders, here's a basic rundown of what we mean by meat/bone/organ.
Meat- muscle meats, or chunks. Turkey, chicken, beef, pork, lamb, goat. Any meat containing no bone. Includes heart and gizzard.
Bone in- meat with consumable bones. Any non weight bearing bones chicken sized or smaller. Exceptions are neck and tail bones. Some ferrets CAN eat the weight bearing bones from things like rabbit and chicken, but most won't bother with them. It will sometimes work better if you smash the thigh/leg bones from chickens. Good examples are: chicken necks/wings/spines, turkey wing tips/ribs/necks, duck wing tips/ribs/necks, pork rib ends/riblets, some will eat pork neck, ox tail, most adult whole prey(rabbit/mice/rats/quail/gerbil/hamster/guinea pig).
Organ- liver, spleen, brain, lung, thymus, pancreas, kidney, etc. Any part of the body that secretes.
Average weekly menu would be:
8-9 meals consumable bone 3-4 meals muscle meats(at least one of which NEEDS to be heart) 1 meal of aprox 2oz liver and 2oz other organ.(This can change over time depending on how much your ferret eats, but is a good starting point. Total should be about 10% of weekly diet)
A bare minimum of 3 proteins are needed to cover your ferret's basic nutritional needs. This can change depending on YOUR ferret. Some do better with a bit less bone, some need a bit more. You'll be able to determine what your ferret needs as time passes and you become accustomed to raw feeding.
For new raw feeders, here's a basic rundown of what we mean by meat/bone/organ.
Meat- muscle meats, or chunks. Turkey, chicken, beef, pork, lamb, goat. Any meat containing no bone. Includes heart and gizzard.
Bone in- meat with consumable bones. Any non weight bearing bones chicken sized or smaller. Exceptions are neck and tail bones. Some ferrets CAN eat the weight bearing bones from things like rabbit and chicken, but most won't bother with them. It will sometimes work better if you smash the thigh/leg bones from chickens. Good examples are: chicken necks/wings/spines, turkey wing tips/ribs/necks, duck wing tips/ribs/necks, pork rib ends/riblets, some will eat pork neck, ox tail, most adult whole prey(rabbit/mice/rats/quail/gerbil/hamster/guinea pig).
Organ- liver, spleen, brain, lung, thymus, pancreas, kidney, etc. Any part of the body that secretes.
Average weekly menu would be:
8-9 meals consumable bone 3-4 meals muscle meats(at least one of which NEEDS to be heart) 1 meal of aprox 2oz liver and 2oz other organ.(This can change over time depending on how much your ferret eats, but is a good starting point. Total should be about 10% of weekly diet)
A bare minimum of 3 proteins are needed to cover your ferret's basic nutritional needs. This can change depending on YOUR ferret. Some do better with a bit less bone, some need a bit more. You'll be able to determine what your ferret needs as time passes and you become accustomed to raw feeding.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 13:52:31 GMT -5
whoo reading stuff I havent been able to get her to eat much more chicken wing she doesnt seem to want it
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 14:04:53 GMT -5
What time do you give her breakfast and dinner? It seems like most of the ferrets here, will eat in the early morning and early evening. The boys seem to ask for a snack mid day, and the girls don't. Babies are completely different and eat all the time.
My girls really won't eat in the middle of the day, though Juliet loves to get a little something to stash. You might want to give her breakfast and then wait until dinner time, to try to insist on a little more.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 14:17:53 GMT -5
hmm okay. I try to give her breakfast right when I get up at around 8 or 9. Is that too late?
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