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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 11:12:42 GMT -5
Hahaha Oh my, a cat accident? That does sound bad! Sorry. Haha I am very sorry to hear he was in a car accident though. I hope everyone is okay and that any damage is minimal too - I know repairs can wreak financial havoc on people. Hope hubby gets lots of rest and feels physically and emotionally better soon!!!! :/
AHhahahaha You know, a CAT accident would prob leave you just as sore, they can be viscous... But no, I did mean CAR accident. He is doing better. The ER doc gave him a week off, but I think he will be back tomorrow. The truck is totaled unfortunatly. And to top it off it was his SECOND accident in 13 days! He was rear ended the 10th by a Mustange going 50-something in a 25. Matt was at a stop, trying to miss hitting a little dog, and the guy obviously wasn't paying attention and hit him. There was no signs of him trying to stop, but it sent Matt's truck flying 125 ft. Our SVU was totaled, but Matt and Dylan (my 4 year old) was fine. He bounced back that time and didn't even go to the doc. But then this one, also a rear ender (he was sitting at a light and some teenagers hit him, again going 40-something) his body said enough and was in a lot of pain. He had a VERY mild concussion and was sent home with the 'good stuff' to recover. Poor guy... he is mostly mad that he totaled his truck he had owned for a whopping 5 days. Back to car shopping! And YAAY on the mice! Have fun camping and we will tackle the whole prey when you get back. I hope to have real Internet on Tues, so that works well.
Perfect, I didn't officially put it into my Menu for this week, but I have a BI most afternoons that I can easily substitute with f/t mice. I am planning on reading as much on it in the threads here to be a little more educated, but let me know how to start and we will give it a whorl! I got 6 total, figured that was a good starting point, but if they REALLY like it then I will look into putting in a bigger order from the site you suggested and work it into our meal plan on a weekly/bi-weekly basis. I have this feeling little Ruby is going to excel at the whole prey thing. Just how she attacks and 'takes down' her toys. She is going to be a great little huntress!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 11:48:29 GMT -5
OK, now to menu, weights and pics! (dance) This week, because they devoured almost all their meals and still acted hungry... had to 'supplement' a lot of meals last week with small BI meals..., I am going to try 13-15 oz daily. Hopefully there's not too much waist... Mon AM: BI Rabbit (8.8 oz) PM: BI Chicken (6.8 oz) Tue AM: MM Turkey (10.4 oz) PM: WHOLE Goat (3.8) Wed AM: Lung Beef (4.5 oz) & Heart Beef (4.2 oz) PM: BI Chicken (6.1 oz) Thur AM: BI Duck (9.7 oz) PM: BI Quail (4.9 oz) Fri AM: Liver Beef (5.5 oz) & Uteri Pork (3.1 oz) (liver higher this week because it was 1/3 last week, 2/3ish this) PM: BI Chicken (6.6 oz) Sat AM: BI Duck (6.7 oz) PM: BI Chicken (6.9 oz) Sun AM: Heart Chicken (7.3 oz) PM: BI Chicken (6.9 oz) So to review, I am counting 9 BI (62%), 1 MM (10%), 1.5 organ (2/3 Liver on 1 meal) (13%), 1.5 heart (11%) and then a Whole Prey (WP) meal (4%). Percentage on organ is a little high this week, but still pretty close. AND I have 8 PROTEINS! haha I don't know why that makes me excited... (dance) Pepe: 3 lb 7.3oz (+ 2.1 oz)/ 1568g (+60g) Oliver: 2 lb 4.1 oz (+ 0.1 oz)/ 1023g (+2g) Ruby: 1 lb 10.5 oz (+1.8 oz)/ 751g (+51g) Happy with weights this week, everyone gained (although Pepe didn't 'need' to...) and Ruby seems substantially bigger this week. She was worrying me a bit, but I think it was just shedding that made her look so much smaller. Here are some pics: Oliver Pepe 'the chunk' No waist there!! Ruby And here is one from the side, she is my skinny mini, so I want us to 'watch' her Tiny Rubbs being weighed, just cause she's so cute... The top view seems a bit deceptive. She might have been turning or something. I will try to get a few more if you think she looks thin. Maybe a hanging one too. Let me know Lastly, here is a new link to the google docs. docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiXMUs5LYCDddEo4M2xvVWhWR0tjV3lUelYwX18yVEE&usp=sharingI am trying to get it updated from last week's craziness! I am so happy to be back at work and 'relaxing' lol
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Post by katt on May 27, 2014 14:04:48 GMT -5
Oh no two in a row and your baby was in the first! I would have been livid, not to mention so scared and relieved for kiddo and hubby! Ugh! I'm the first to admit that in bad about speeding, but 50 in a 25? Seriously people?! SMH Sorry dude but your mustang's not THAT cool, and it doesn't get any cooler the faster you drive it - Nor does it make your manhood any bigger. I am glad everyone was okay! I hope hubby doesn't push himself too hard - he needs his rest after all that. Also hope the wreck doesn't do too much damage to your insurance. Yeesh... *stomps off grumbling* Onto a happier note! Micies! Your furs are young enough they may take right to it. There are many many ways you can introduce it, and I am prone to start big and work our way down. I would try thawing a mouse or two or three, and slice open the belly. You can drizzle a little oil or even meat soup into the open belly to entice them to give what's inside a taste. Don't give them any food but the mouse/mice. If a few hours to by and they still haven't shown any inclination to give them a taste (the fur can be an obstacle for some), then what you can do is cut the mouse up into little chunks and mix it in with some chunk meat that they are familiar with - chicken, pork, whatever - something they particularly like is even better. Hand feeding some bits never hurts either, especially if they still seem unsure about chunked mouse. I am honestly not expecting too much trouble (if any) from your crew but there's more we can try if these tricks don't work. Give that a shot and let's see what they think. As for your little girly, she does look thin. :/ We definitely need to keep an eye on her and make sure she's eating. Can you try to get a hanging pic, and maybe another from the top? If you dab a little oil on a plate that will often distract them long enough for a quick shot. Some ferrets are just slender and more greyhound like in body type, which may be her case, but as young as she is I wouldn't think she'd be that leaned out quite yet. Not that it's not possible. Maybe it's just the angle and lighting too though. If she is playing and pooping fine and not losing weight there's no real immediate concern, but it's definitely worth monitoring.
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Post by katt on May 27, 2014 14:10:23 GMT -5
Oh and Pepe!!!! What a monster Chubbs!!!! I laughed so hard at his pic! Hahaha I just want to jiggle his fat little bum and then smother him with kisses! His fur looks amazing. I miss having chubby babies. Kenai was the fattest little kit too. He is fairly small and has zero muscle mass (the vets actually comment on it every time we go in! :/ ) but as a kit he was Sooo chubby! Hehe Enjoy the baby fat winter flub while you can - they are never as fat as their first winter. If at 18-24 months or older he is his fat, he will probably need to go on a diet, but he is a baby still so there's nothing to be concerned about weight wise. Just don't panic when later this summer or next he drops weight like crazy and slims down to his adult form.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 15:35:31 GMT -5
Oh no two in a row and your baby was in the first! I would have been livid, not to mention so scared and relieved for kiddo and hubby! Ugh! I'm the first to admit that in bad about speeding, but 50 in a 25? Seriously people?! SMH Sorry dude but your mustang's not THAT cool, and it doesn't get any cooler the faster you drive it - Nor does it make your manhood any bigger. I am glad everyone was okay! I hope hubby doesn't push himself too hard - he needs his rest after all that. Also hope the wreck doesn't do too much damage to your insurance. Yeesh... *stomps off grumbling* Yeah totally agree... I was pretty mad too. At my hubby at first until I got the whole story. It wasn't his fault, but people are such idiots drivers... Onto a happier note! Micies! Your furs are young enough they may take right to it. There are many many ways you can introduce it, and I am prone to start big and work our way down. I would try thawing a mouse or two or three, and slice open the belly. You can drizzle a little oil or even meat soup into the open belly to entice them to give what's inside a taste. Don't give them any food but the mouse/mice. If a few hours to by and they still haven't shown any inclination to give them a taste (the fur can be an obstacle for some), then what you can do is cut the mouse up into little chunks and mix it in with some chunk meat that they are familiar with - chicken, pork, whatever - something they particularly like is even better. Hand feeding some bits never hurts either, especially if they still seem unsure about chunked mouse. I am honestly not expecting too much trouble (if any) from your crew but there's more we can try if these tricks don't work. Give that a shot and let's see what they think. I have reading up about it and I think the only question I have right now is there was info on removing the intestines. Is this mainly for larger animals? Also, should I let them eat it in the bath tub or just toss them in their feeding box. They are all really good about not taking off with things and stashing them, so it should be fine. I just wasn't sure if I needed to make sure each one gets their share... As for your little girly, she does look thin. :/ We definitely need to keep an eye on her and make sure she's eating. Can you try to get a hanging pic, and maybe another from the top? If you dab a little oil on a plate that will often distract them long enough for a quick shot. Some ferrets are just slender and more greyhound like in body type, which may be her case, but as young as she is I wouldn't think she'd be that leaned out quite yet. Not that it's not possible. Maybe it's just the angle and lighting too though. If she is playing and pooping fine and not losing weight there's no real immediate concern, but it's definitely worth monitoring.
I was a bit worried about that. I will take better and the other pics you requested and try to get them posted tonight. If you think she is too thin, what would you suggest in bulking her up? Hand feeding? If she likes this mice thing, daily mice feeding? lol I just have a feeling that she's my huntress... haha I will watch her though, she definitely eats like a piggy. She usually is there begging when I put the feeding den back in the cage. I will try and get a look at her poops. Maybe I will try to get her to sleep in the medical cage tonight and get some poops from her. We will see...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 15:42:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 21:33:34 GMT -5
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Post by katt on May 28, 2014 0:46:07 GMT -5
I have reading up about it and I think the only question I have right now is there was info on removing the intestines. Is this mainly for larger animals? Also, should I let them eat it in the bath tub or just toss them in their feeding box. They are all really good about not taking off with things and stashing them, so it should be fine. I just wasn't sure if I needed to make sure each one gets their share...
I'd just toss it in their feeding den normally. The only time I use the bathtub is for hunts. That being said, you want to make sure that all of them are actually eating it so ideally you want to be able to watch them when thy eat, even if that means sitting by their cage for a little while. It's really not all that different from introducing any other new food, you just need to make sure that all of them will actually accept it and eat it.
I was a bit worried about that. I will take better and the other pics you requested and try to get them posted tonight. If you think she is too thin, what would you suggest in bulking her up? Hand feeding? If she likes this mice thing, daily mice feeding? lol I just have a feeling that she's my huntress... haha I will watch her though, she definitely eats like a piggy. She usually is there begging when I put the feeding den back in the cage. I will try and get a look at her poops. Maybe I will try to get her to sleep in the medical cage tonight and get some poops from her. We will see...
Are you having any leftovers by the time that you feed the next meal? If not, then perhaps she isn't getting enough. A good rule of thumb for measuring meals is to feed enough each meal that by the next meal there's 1-2 bites leftover. Then there is very minimal waste, but you also know everyone got their fill.
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Post by katt on May 28, 2014 0:48:17 GMT -5
Just saw the pics. Notice the bit of hourglass shape she has? Generally you want their sides to be almost parallel. The top view looks better though. Lemme know on the leftovers Q and we'll go from there.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:04:53 GMT -5
I'd just toss it in their feeding den normally. The only time I use the bathtub is for hunts. That being said, you want to make sure that all of them are actually eating it so ideally you want to be able to watch them when thy eat, even if that means sitting by their cage for a little while. It's really not all that different from introducing any other new food, you just need to make sure that all of them will actually accept it and eat it.
Sounds good. I was thinking too that it might be a good idea to feed in the tub to get them comfortable with eating live mice (only...) in the tub. That was my thinking, but if I can just put it in the feeding den that is certainly easier. I am going to try to defrost a few for this weekend. Weekends are just easier and I have more time to mess with things like this and actually enjoy it and monitor it correctly, so I will shoot for that.
Are you having any leftovers by the time that you feed the next meal? If not, then perhaps she isn't getting enough. A good rule of thumb for measuring meals is to feed enough each meal that by the next meal there's 1-2 bites leftover. Then there is very minimal waste, but you also know everyone got their fill.
I typically (meaning 90%) have a bit left over. If it is a big enough piece (big enough meaning it can be in there long enough and not spoiling) I will leave it in there through the next meal. They USUALLY eat at least a little bit of whatever I leave in there. If it's still there at next feeding, I toss it (if it's stinky) or feed it to Bruno (if it's not too stinky). Is it normal to have a bit of bone left over? I am saying slivers. It almost looks like they are eating the marrow and leaving a few pieces of the middle part of the bone. Usually when I toss a whole drumstick in there. Ribs or smaller wings are usually gone.
I am going to run a test for a few days and take a pic and weigh what is left over for a few days. Also, I am going to watch Rubes eat for a few minutes when I first put the food in there, make sure she is eating a bit. This morning she right away munched down on a decent piece of heart that was hanging, it was about 2 in long x 1 inch wide and 1.5 inch thick. She ate the entire thing. I almost always hang SOMETHING for them because I feel like those pieces almost always get eaten first, especially by Ruby. Let me know if there is anything special that needs to happen with her, special feedings, closer poop watches, etc.
I caught her going into the litter box right after I cleaned it! Her poop was darkish, small and a tiny bit loose, but I always think it's loose. Looking at the poop chart, it looks almost IDENTICAL to the 'raw meat (boneless)" example, just a bit darker and smaller. I will try to catch another poop from her, but all the litter box poops have been fine. Similar to this one in varying degrees of color.
Also, they were NOT impressed with the goat... SO I am going to put it as a weekend meal next time so I can have more time to sit down with them and convince them that it is truly food. Luckily, they still had a decent amount of the Turkey MM left from mornings meal that I left in there. That was completely gone by AM, but the goat didn't look touched. And it was a bit stinky, being a ground and all it prob doesn't last long, so I didn't feel comfortable leaving it in and forcing them to eat it. So I tossed it. I would like to get them used to eating a ground so if the ferts ever go on vacation with us I can take it for an easier balanced meal. I am thinking I will make a soupy (which I need to remind them is also food anyhow) this weekend and try to play around with the goat again.
Energy levels, poops, etc are great! Now if we can just get Ruby back to looking healthy!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:19:40 GMT -5
Post by poncesmom on 16 hours ago Also, remember that I mentioned that I have just discovered that mine love ground turkey with an egg in it? It would be great to give Evanna an egg, once a week. You can look for ground turkey or even ground beef and we can put that on her menu.
Would this be something to try for Pepe? Maybe the egg is just too rich for his tummy?? It might be a good way to get turkey in there easier, I don't find it often, except in ground form.
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Post by katt on May 29, 2014 1:22:58 GMT -5
Sounds good. I was thinking too that it might be a good idea to feed in the tub to get them comfortable with eating live mice (only...) in the tub. That was my thinking, but if I can just put it in the feeding den that is certainly easier. I am going to try to defrost a few for this weekend. Weekends are just easier and I have more time to mess with things like this and actually enjoy it and monitor it correctly, so I will shoot for that. Yeah the setting really shouldn't matter to them once they know the mouse is food. If they are good hunters they are going to be good hunters. Simple as that. My boys' instincts do tend to kick in stronger when I do outdoor hunts with them in the summer, but they are great hunters in the tub. I would never take a ferret who was a bad hunter in the tub and try them outside - either they have the instinct or they don't. There is a learning curve, so I will give a new hunter a few chances to figure out how to make a quick and proper kill, but if by 2-3 hunts they don't have it down then they cannot hunt. I lucked out - both of my boys are natural hunters. My slow derpy Kenai is an outstanding hunter - he is all about the Kill versus Koda who is all about the prize. My sister and mom have 3 ferrets though (my doing lol) and of the 3 only one will hunt. Granted, they also don't recognize mice as food yet. I typically (meaning 90%) have a bit left over. If it is a big enough piece (big enough meaning it can be in there long enough and not spoiling) I will leave it in there through the next meal. They USUALLY eat at least a little bit of whatever I leave in there. If it's still there at next feeding, I toss it (if it's stinky) or feed it to Bruno (if it's not too stinky). Is it normal to have a bit of bone left over? I am saying slivers. It almost looks like they are eating the marrow and leaving a few pieces of the middle part of the bone. Usually when I toss a whole drumstick in there. Ribs or smaller wings are usually gone. As long as their poops are good and they are all eating bone I wouldn't worry too much about slivers left behind - especially of the larger weight bearing bones. Noted on the leftovers - that's all good then. I am going to run a test for a few days and take a pic and weigh what is left over for a few days. Also, I am going to watch Rubes eat for a few minutes when I first put the food in there, make sure she is eating a bit. This morning she right away munched down on a decent piece of heart that was hanging, it was about 2 in long x 1 inch wide and 1.5 inch thick. She ate the entire thing. I almost always hang SOMETHING for them because I feel like those pieces almost always get eaten first, especially by Ruby. Let me know if there is anything special that needs to happen with her, special feedings, closer poop watches, etc. Hmmmm...let's just watch her. She is a petite female, so it's possible it's just her body type. I'd watch her poops if you can do it without separating them too much. You could mix a few fattier meats into the rotation too - pork (esp meats like uncured bacon or pork belly), duck (esp with the skin on), chicken skin, etc. It's also spring, so weigh her 1-2x a week and see if her weight changes significantly at all. If her poops are off, her energy is down, or she is Losing weight then we should worry. As it stands right now I'm hesitating between saying she's a bit too thin and that's just her body type - she is so borderline... I'm going to see what the other mods think too. I caught her going into the litter box right after I cleaned it! Her poop was darkish, small and a tiny bit loose, but I always think it's loose. Looking at the poop chart, it looks almost IDENTICAL to the 'raw meat (boneless)" example, just a bit darker and smaller. I will try to catch another poop from her, but all the litter box poops have been fine. Similar to this one in varying degrees of color.Sounds fine.... Also, they were NOT impressed with the goat... SO I am going to put it as a weekend meal next time so I can have more time to sit down with them and convince them that it is truly food. Luckily, they still had a decent amount of the Turkey MM left from mornings meal that I left in there. That was completely gone by AM, but the goat didn't look touched. And it was a bit stinky, being a ground and all it prob doesn't last long, so I didn't feel comfortable leaving it in and forcing them to eat it. So I tossed it. I would like to get them used to eating a ground so if the ferts ever go on vacation with us I can take it for an easier balanced meal. I am thinking I will make a soupy (which I need to remind them is also food anyhow) this weekend and try to play around with the goat again. Do they eat beef? Also, have they had ground meat before (sometimes it's a texture thing - my boys eat turkey all the time but snub ground turkey). One trick you might consider is to try getting some hamburger meat and mix a little of the goat into that, since both are red meats, and gradually increase the goat while decreasing the beef. You should do this over a few days - just mix a little powdered eggshell in if poops get soft in the beginning and wean the eggshell off as the goat is increased (since the goat has bones in it). You could also offer it in soup form if it's a texture thing (don't use your favorite blender since the grind does have some bone bits in it). If they don't like plain goat puree, then mix some chicken or other familiar meat in until they will accept it. Then decrease the other soup while increasing the goat soup and reducing the amount of water and blending with each meal until they will eat the plain ground goat. Energy levels, poops, etc are great! Now if we can just get Ruby back to looking healthy! I don't think she looks UNhealthy, just a little thinner than I'd like. I'll let you know what the others say.
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Post by katt on May 29, 2014 1:29:30 GMT -5
Post by poncesmom on 16 hours ago Also, remember that I mentioned that I have just discovered that mine love ground turkey with an egg in it? It would be great to give Evanna an egg, once a week. You can look for ground turkey or even ground beef and we can put that on her menu.Would this be something to try for Pepe? Maybe the egg is just too rich for his tummy?? It might be a good way to get turkey in there easier, I don't find it often, except in ground form. Ah yes poor little Pepe must be starving by now without his egg. (giggle) Glad you brought this up bc I did mean to come back to the egg thing. Okay first thing we need to do is figure out if it's an allergy issue. It could be an allergy problem, could be that he loves it so much he is eating it too fast, or it could be a bit rich for his tummy. Or any combination of the above! Ferrets.... LOL You could certainly try mixing a little bit into some ground meat or soup and see how he does - I'd suggest doing it on a day when you can watch him afterwards to confirm any response or lack thereof. I'd start with just a small amount in the soup and depending on how he responds we can work it up from there. You could also test the allergy theory by making yourself some scrambled eggs and before you cook them just take out a little bit - maybe a tablespoon or two - and give it to Pepe. Again, monitor and see what he does. If he is allergic enough to be vomiting after eating them, then a tablespoon or two *should* (in theory) be sufficient to cause some sort of response. Or it may not - he is a ferret after all. The only real rule with ferrets is that there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rules....
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 10:31:21 GMT -5
Yeah the setting really shouldn't matter to them once they know the mouse is food. If they are good hunters they are going to be good hunters. Simple as that. My boys' instincts do tend to kick in stronger when I do outdoor hunts with them in the summer, but they are great hunters in the tub. I would never take a ferret who was a bad hunter in the tub and try them outside - either they have the instinct or they don't. There is a learning curve, so I will give a new hunter a few chances to figure out how to make a quick and proper kill, but if by 2-3 hunts they don't have it down then they cannot hunt. I lucked out - both of my boys are natural hunters. My slow derpy Kenai is an outstanding hunter - he is all about the Kill versus Koda who is all about the prize. My sister and mom have 3 ferrets though (my doing lol) and of the 3 only one will hunt. Granted, they also don't recognize mice as food yet.
Noted, I will make a judement call on the day of the feed on where we want to do it. And prob depends on how long it takes for them to eat it too (giggle)I am excited to try live, but I will prob work on the other obstacles first... goat, weights, eggs As long as their poops are good and they are all eating bone I wouldn't worry too much about slivers left behind - especially of the larger weight bearing bones. Noted on the leftovers - that's all good then.Sounds good about slivers. I will do a separate post about leftovers... Hmmmm...let's just watch her. She is a petite female, so it's possible it's just her body type. I'd watch her poops if you can do it without separating them too much. You could mix a few fattier meats into the rotation too - pork (esp meats like uncured bacon or pork belly), duck (esp with the skin on), chicken skin, etc.
They are not big fans of pork, that's why I usually sneak it in with organs (although, now I know it's not so much 'counted' as a different protein) so I will get some nice fatty pork next shopping and try to get them, her mainly, to eat it. Maybe I will do a mix with chicken and chop it up and mix it. I already feed quit a bit of duck and it is SUPER fatty (skin mainly). The chicken I feel like is leaner, though it does have the skin still. I will work on that. It's also spring, so weigh her 1-2x a week and see if her weight changes significantly at all. If her poops are off, her energy is down, or she is Losing weight then we should worry. As it stands right now I'm hesitating between saying she's a bit too thin and that's just her body type - she is so borderline... I'm going to see what the other mods think too.I actually was thinking about weighing her 2x week. Did last this morning in fact and she weighed 1 lb 10.5 oz, exactly the same as Sunday. So, no loss... Her energy is fine, the couple poops I have seen look ok, normal for the meal. I will also do a weekly photo of her for sure. Do they eat beef? Also, have they had ground meat before (sometimes it's a texture thing - my boys eat turkey all the time but snub ground turkey). One trick you might consider is to try getting some hamburger meat and mix a little of the goat into that, since both are red meats, and gradually increase the goat while decreasing the beef. You should do this over a few days - just mix a little powdered eggshell in if poops get soft in the beginning and wean the eggshell off as the goat is increased (since the goat has bones in it). You could also offer it in soup form if it's a texture thing (don't use your favorite blender since the grind does have some bone bits in it). If they don't like plain goat puree, then mix some chicken or other familiar meat in until they will accept it. Then decrease the other soup while increasing the goat soup and reducing the amount of water and blending with each meal until they will eat the plain ground goat.Beef - honestly I have never given them a beef cut, just in organ form. I have some ground beef in the fridge and plan on making spaghetti tonight. I will take out a 1/4 cup or so and offer it to them. This may test if it's a texture thing or not. If they do not eat it, we will try the other suggestions you have. I will put it into their menu next week along with the other meats. They have been balanced for long enough that a week or so of more MM wont hurt I guess... Sorry I 'think out loud' a lot with these posts... I don't think she looks UNhealthy, just a little thinner than I'd like. I'll let you know what the others say.
Look forward to see what they think!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 10:43:23 GMT -5
Ah yes poor little Pepe must be starving by now without his egg. (giggle) Glad you brought this up bc I did mean to come back to the egg thing. Okay first thing we need to do is figure out if it's an allergy issue. It could be an allergy problem, could be that he loves it so much he is eating it too fast, or it could be a bit rich for his tummy. Or any combination of the above! Ferrets.... LOLHey! He thinks he's starved! You could certainly try mixing a little bit into some ground meat or soup and see how he does - I'd suggest doing it on a day when you can watch him afterwards to confirm any response or lack thereof. I'd start with just a small amount in the soup and depending on how he responds we can work it up from there. You could also test the allergy theory by making yourself some scrambled eggs and before you cook them just take out a little bit - maybe a tablespoon or two - and give it to Pepe. Again, monitor and see what he does. If he is allergic enough to be vomiting after eating them, then a tablespoon or two *should* (in theory) be sufficient to cause some sort of response. Or it may not - he is a ferret after all. The only real rule with ferrets is that there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rules....
BRATTY ferts and their picky, finicky, little selves! I like the idea of giving him a tiny amount and see if it's causes reaction. I think that will rule in/out the allergy and also on if he's just eating too much too fast. Here's the plan! I am going to do that 'test' Saturday morning with giving him a tblsp or two. In fact, I will give ALL of them the same test, just in case it's NOT Pepe. If all seems well I will try giving them all the hamburger meat that PM for dinner. If they do NOT eat it (and of course the egg test went ok) I will try mixing a bit of egg in the meat to entice them, maybe a bit of oil if the egg alone doesn't do it. This will also give them a bit more egg to 'test' (with a meat, so it won't upset tummies) but also get them eating the beef and getting to know the texture. I will make sure it's at least 6 hours in between for the possible allergy reasons. IF that gets them eating the beef I will work the goat in for Sunday and go from there. And THEN, if all goes well on Sat, we will try the f/t mice on Sunday! In my mind this is testing the egg allergy, getting them to eat the beef (hopefully), getting them used to the ground texture, and then giving them the rest of their egg for the week, safely. And then hopefully a treat on Sunday with the mice! Too much?? Let me know!
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