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Post by Sherry on Nov 13, 2013 9:44:12 GMT -5
The first issue- completely ditch the nutrigel and the calcium syrup. Both are LOADED with sugars, and if she's had low blood sugars before you are pushing her to develop full blown insulinoma. For added calcium just grind dried eggshells to a powder and give a pinch of that on her meat, and feed bone heavy meals. As for the maggots- is she inside, or outside? If inside not sure what you could do beyond feeding her meal on ice(literally). If outside can you set up a fine mesh screening around her area? The meat on ice is a good idea there as well. That will also help her keep a bit cooler.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 11:19:58 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about the still born.
To give you one is pretty amazing, she clearly loves and trusts you, what a gift!
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Post by Heather on Nov 13, 2013 14:20:29 GMT -5
Congratulations....I agree with the nutrigel (which we have a tendency to refer to as insulinoma in a tube)dump it. KMR would be a better shot than the nutrigel....calcium syrup?, don't know that one but anything with syrup usually means sugars, double check your product's content and make sure there isn't some sort of corn syrup or sucrose product. If you want to up the calcium the egg shell is a good idea, but it must be ground to a powder for her to absorb it. It's one of the best for the best for them. As for the flies....I think the others have basically covered it. I know it can be difficult especially in the hot weather. Good luck, give momma a hug for me, when she's willing ciao
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 16:57:07 GMT -5
Awesome! thanks heaps guys.
I do have some goat milk powder formula that is still good. I have been giving her that and she loves it (like her previous litters- drank it straight away).
I will be definitely doing the mesh idea- WHY I never thought of it haha!
Egg Shell! EGGCELLENT IDEA haha.
Strange my Vet (who I usually go to) suggested I do the nutrigel and calcium syrup if they are dangerous. But I Love her so I will def ditch them.
Best thing ever was signing up to this forum.
<3
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 17:07:48 GMT -5
Oh! and she's in the garage (we don't use it for our car at all)- its turned into a man cave for my husband. But since Quizzy is in there with her babies he doesn't use it - don't want loud noises freaking her out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 18:14:23 GMT -5
Most vets aren't well trained in nutrition, or even worse know something about it and recommend bad food/supplements that will keep them in business with unhealthy pets being brought to them regularly thanks to all the issues with processed foods and sugary, carb laden supplements/treats. Trust me, no vet that truly loves animals will tell you to use that stuff if they know better. If they know better and don't, they're in it for the money only then.
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Post by Sherry on Nov 13, 2013 18:28:51 GMT -5
Definitely do the mesh and meals on ice then! And you do realize that once the babes hit about 3 weeks or so we expect regular updates
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 18:45:51 GMT -5
Oh yup- def going to keep updates for you guys. True about the vets- lots of my friends have dealt with those types.
I forgot to add, hubby fed her this morning before he left for work and came in and told me there were 7 live kits and one more dead one in the food bowl, covered in litter it wasn't cleaned off. (Sac was removed though).
I just filled her water bowl up now (about 3 hours after he told me that) and there are now 6 live kits. So She had 9 all up.
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Post by Sherry on Nov 13, 2013 18:57:02 GMT -5
Really hoping she was able to expel them all! 9 for a third litter is amazing. I can understand why all the reputable breeders only recommend two litters. This has GOT to be scary stuff when they reach this point!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 19:09:27 GMT -5
Yup. My fried (who lives in South Australia) her Jill had 11 kits for her first litter. I was amazed at that. And as for Quizzy, She had 7 her first (lost 5 in the first 2 days), 7 her second (lost 2 the first 3 days) and now 9 (lost 3 already).
Her previous litters I spent 652 hours on each litter helping to hand raise - mainly her 2nd litter as she got insulinoma then.
But this time I am not interfering with the babies at all. (Sounds harsh I know) but for once I am letting nature take its course. And since I have kids- they need me too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 22:12:18 GMT -5
Aww sorry for the ones that have passed
Is there a reason that ferts have high littler mortality rates? I know nothing whatsoever about fert breeding
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 23:07:27 GMT -5
Not 100% sure Libby. My Pop and his dad, and his dad's dad and so on were all breeders. And Sadly NONE of them are around to give me answers.
I have heard it can be rather common due to heat, low milk supply, even wasps (anaphylactic shock from being stung). Loads of factors I think. Its crap when it happens. I only started to bottle feed my kits from the two previous litters after the 4th day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 23:54:03 GMT -5
Well I hope you won't have anymore losses
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 0:00:05 GMT -5
Thanks hun- me too
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Post by Sherry on Nov 14, 2013 0:35:13 GMT -5
Many breeders I know of don't even check on the wee ones for the first three weeks. In many ways it is so much easier on you to do this. As you said- let nature take it's course. You have to assume each of those wee ones once out of your control will be bred(even though hopefully most won't be). By approaching it this way you help to assure the strong ones survive.
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