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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 18:13:14 GMT -5
Heya guys, I am new here.
My Female Sable (Quizzy) and male sable (Bandit) were last noticed to mate on the 26th September 2013. Please note this was the last day I noticed their mating (also a week straight before this date). They could of mated after this date, but I never wrote it down in my book so I am saddened to say I am unsure.
This litter will be her 3rd litter. Her last two labours she was fine. This time she is massive- her teats are protruding, mammary glands swollen- all the normal stuff.
Her vulva is discharging brown blood- often stringy like as if in labour. She is not straining, she eats drinks, takes herself to the litter box.
I was going to take her to the vet tomorrow if there are still no kits in the morning tomorrow.
I never noticed discharge as this in her two last litters.
Should I be worried?
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Post by Sherry on Nov 10, 2013 18:44:25 GMT -5
You should have her in after, I believe, 42-44 days? So definitely get her in tomorrow. One of our reputable breeders lost mom, and two litters of kits, because one was too large for her to have. I'm going to assume you have a mentor, so where is he or she in all this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 19:44:20 GMT -5
Thanks Hun.
No mentor-
Hubby has the car at his work today, otherwise I'd be at the vets today. She's well and truly overdue I'd say.
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Post by Heather on Nov 10, 2013 20:17:24 GMT -5
You generally have 40 days + 2 days...after that your jill is at risk. The mammary development usually occurs 1 week before delivery. Kits almost always die in utero after the 43rd day. Overdue kits will continue to grow causing dystocia by their large size. Dystocia is very common in ferrets, much more so than dogs and cats. If kits descending into the birth canal from opposite horns of the uterus, the head of one of them may be deflected and subsequently folded down on its chest. Even a kit of nromal size (8 to 10 g) is rarely delivered in this position. After several hours, the kit will die and eventually the rest of the litter will die also. This can also be an issue with congenitally defective kits....caused by breeding silvers or DEWs You're going to have to take her in. That discharge might be a sign that something is wrong. Some discharge is normal but what you describe She may have on overly large kit, that has become wedged. This could cause to a rupture, separation of the placenta. If the kit is wedged, it could cost the rest of the litter not just the one wedged. She may need a c-section. You've mentioned that this is her third litter...in a row? No breaks in between litters? ciao
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 20:31:29 GMT -5
Yup the Dystocia is what I was concerned of really. She has been on heat 5 times, but I bred her 3 times. She had 2 heat cycles with kits, and 1 heat cycle with no kits. Thanks heaps for the info.
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Post by Heather on Nov 11, 2013 13:24:55 GMT -5
Please keep us posted as to her progress. If you're going to keep intact jills maybe one of her male kits should be turned into a v-hob so that you don't have to worry so much with heat cycles and she won't have to carry another litter. After 3 litters she really should be altered anyway but a v-hob might be a solution for keeping other jill kits ciao
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Post by crazylady on Nov 11, 2013 14:32:39 GMT -5
Hi I would take her in to a vet asp I wouldn't wait until tomorrow it sounds to me like you have a kit stuck going on your dates I would of expected them around 7-9th of november its not unknown for them to go an extra day depending on time of mating ( eg early morning /or midnight ) and normally you never count the day she mated you count the following day as day one get her into a vet asp and you could have a chance of saving part of the litter and the jill I normally breed my jills only twice in there life time ( once when two and if I need another litter when they are four ) I like to give them a whole year to recover from giving birth as I need to put back all the calcium and vits they have given to there kits please let us know how things work out take care bye for now bev
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 17:33:39 GMT -5
Thanks heaps for all the help everyone.
I went to the vets this morning and She said she seemed fine. Her blood sugar was spot on, there was no sign of fatigue, her eyes are clear and bright and the babies were ok. (U/S done) She asked me when I separated her from my males cage and I told her it was on the 5th November as her cage was chewed by my dog when I moved it outside to clean it all down and out- so I had repairs to make. She is now away from outside, and away from the dog, Bandit (my male ferret)and away from any loud noises. Nice and quiet area.
There are no signs of stress, or straining said the vet and her mammory glands are not as swollen for impending labour as I presumed. She thinks that perhaps she was mated after the last date that I took notice of- seeing as she stayed with Bandit for longer.
I never asked how many babies there are and didn't get pictures as that would of cost me more money- BUT she told me to go back within a week if there is no sign of any babies or if Quizzy shows signs of pushing with no result.
Since I am no expert I don't know what on earth to think but I trust my Vet I guess.
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Post by Sherry on Nov 11, 2013 19:12:29 GMT -5
Fingers crossed the vet is right.
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Post by crazylady on Nov 12, 2013 15:40:05 GMT -5
Hi I am very surprised your vet did not see signs of them moving down as you mentioned the colors ( brown/ red discharge ) that normally happens when birth is imminent or a kit is stuck in the birth canal did the vet give any indication of where the kits where positioned or when to expect delivery? as you have no idea of a due date you are going to have to watch her round the clock things can go wrong pretty fast I am not saying this to scare you just to warn you even though she is an experienced mom that counts for nothing ( the more litters they have the harder it is on them ) lots of experienced breeders are having problems with heat too this year good luck take care bye for now Bev
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Post by Heather on Nov 12, 2013 16:49:10 GMT -5
Good luck...Please keep us posted ciao
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 16:52:56 GMT -5
She said some are low laying.
Quizzy has no more browny red stringy discharge. (Vet said its similar to mucous plug in humans and dogs LOL). She has a clearish/ straw colour today (8:47am 13th Nov 2013) and her legs are wet. She has just started to show a few teats with lactation (yesterday afternoon).
My usual Vet I go to was not in and so a less experienced with ferrets Vet was only available.
If all goes well, I am going to try my hardest to have her spayed before next heat cycle (I say try because I have a 2 year old, a 5 year old and a 6 year old) And have bills bills bills.
I will keep you all posted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 16:58:24 GMT -5
Anxiously looking forward to more news!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 19:21:04 GMT -5
UPDATE! First Kit born.
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Post by Sherry on Nov 12, 2013 19:36:37 GMT -5
Oh thank heavens! Fingers crossed it all goes smoothly for her.
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