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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 17:44:38 GMT -5
Perfect  you can make the heart pieces that size and as for the liver pieces I would start those off as the crescent sliver pieces. As long as the liver is covered in soup he should eat it, it just has a very strong taste on its own. Don't worry about the not eating thing today. Heat can definitely do that. And some days ferrets just don't eat much. It's very normal. You could freeze him soup cubes to lick, he might like that better today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 5:45:38 GMT -5
Okay then thankyou, I will do the heart chunks bigger now too then and ok good, he had some frozen soup yesterday, he soon licked it all up lol. Today he's had some lamb minced up with some of the soup mixed in and this is the biggest meal he has had so far I think, he ate roughly 3oz in one go for a change! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 8:56:34 GMT -5
Awesome! They do eat a TON when first switching over. You will feel like you are spending a lot on meat but they go down to a reasonable amount after a while. That's fantastic that he is eating the lamb as well! What I am going to get you to do is to post a weekly report on Saturday or Sunday each week, as well as include a new picture of him taken from above. For the report include: Weight: Stool shape/size/consistency/color: Activity level: As well as what he ate each day of the week. Example: Monday AM - 2oz chicken soup with chunks ; PM - 3oz lamb mince I assume you are feeding twice a day? That's usually the standard. Now that he is eating chunks you can slowly increase the size of them each time you make a new soup batch. Just post what size you have increased them to each time you do please If he is eating the chicken and lamb no problem you can also start thinking about adding a third protein, I usually reccommend pork to start. We can add in beef as the 4th protein. Any pork meat with do - tenderloin, pork chops (they can't eat the bone though - too thick), pork belly fat (looks like uncooked plain bacon), etc. You can also pick up some chicken wings when you get a chance. Get the ones with the wing Tips still there. Then we can try some bone next week. Do you have a pair of butcher scissors or a meat cleaver? I find the scissors are easiest for wings. We will start off by just cutting up the tips of the wings into teeny tiny pieces. These bones are very small and flexible and if you add tiny pieces into the soup I bet you Milo will crunch a few up without even noticing  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 15:52:15 GMT -5
Okay awesome, sometimes I'm not home on Saturdays so it will alternate each week if that is ok? (my mum plays and feeds Milo) and Okay, I will try and get some pork Thanks again! ermmm butcher scissors are the ones with the clasp type thing in the middle, on the handle? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 21:30:38 GMT -5
Not a problem. I'm not picky about the day. You can make it Saturday/Sunday/Monday just sometime at the end or beginning of the week. Sounds perfect And yes I think so. Any sharp stronger scissors will do, butcher ones are just a little more heavy duty than regular scissors. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 22:41:03 GMT -5
Any updates? Did you get a chance to try the chicken wings and or pork?
If you could post the weekly menu and report when you reply to this that would be much appreciated!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 2:24:35 GMT -5
No not updates as of yet, my money hasn't gone in on the day it's was supposed to so i should get that today which means ill get the pork today and the wings are defrosting ready for tonight Weight: 610g Stool shape/size/consistency/color: Elongated, thin about 1" long. Normal consistency and dark brown/black Activity level: Sleepy most of the day but when I wake him he is full of energy Monday AM - 2oz Beef mince with soup mixed in; PM - 2oz lamb natures menu with bone. (He chomped into a mouse but didn't fully eat it) Tuesday AM- 2oz Chicken chunks and soup; PM- 2 oz Chicken breast with skin Wednesday AM- 2oz Beef mince with chicken & soup mixed in together; PM- 1oz Rabbit natures menu with soup mixed in. Thursday AM- 2 oz Beef mince with 2 egg shells crushed into powder.; PM- 2 oz chicken Friday AM- Soup with larger chicken chunks. PM- 2oz Chicken with skin Saturday AM- 3oz Lamb mince with soup. PM- 2oz Beef Mince with Soup Sunday AM- 2oz Chicken chunks and Mince beef. PM- 2oz Soup with Lamb mince. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 2:25:26 GMT -5
Oh and the chunks of chicken on tuesday were approx 1/2" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 10:16:43 GMT -5
Thanks wow he is doing so much better than I realized! You already have him eating chicken, lamb, beef and I'm assuming the rabbit's menu contains rabbit? That's 4 proteins! Awesome! Now are you looking to feed more of commercial raw diet (that would be like the minces that have the ground up meat and bone and organ, so the meal itself is already balanced) or more of a frankenprey diet (this would be where you feed 8-9 boney meals a week, 3-4 muscle meat meals (no bone), 1 organ meal (kidney and liver) and 1 heart meal. Or... Would you like to do a combination of both? I am just trying to gage the direction in which we are heading Let me know how the chicken wings go! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 12:09:58 GMT -5
Heyya! Yeah the lamb and rabbit are commercial food- heres the link; www.naturesmenu.co.uk/product-lamb-dinner-mince.aspx But he only really eats the natures menu if I mix it with soup otherwise he isn't too keen... and I'd like to be able to do a bit of both but so far he has no interest in bone what so ever lol  and he's sleeping at the moment so won't be giving wings until later  Will let you know asap! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 8:44:54 GMT -5
Hey,
Do you know if the mince contains organs at all? As far as I can tell from the website it just contains meat and ground up bones. If this is the case it will count as a bone meal, not balanced commercial raw. If it has the organ then it would be balanced (assuming they proportioned it right, which hopefully they would have).
Perfect, let me know how the wings go!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 15:58:39 GMT -5
Heya! My mum gave him some wings today but what she done was gave him the whole thing but put them in a towel and smashed them up into tiny pieces, he ate bone! haha at last....
and no I don't think it does, but am I able to give him that separately?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 8:46:41 GMT -5
Awesome! Definitely keep doing that then with the chicken wings and lets work on making those smashed up pieces bigger now. Oh yes we can definitely do the organ separately, I just needed to know whether or not the patties themselves were balanced, which they are not because they lack the organ. So that means that the patties will count as an Edible Bone meal in your weekly balancing. I will give you the basic outline of a weekly diet now so you have an idea what we are working towards. Weekly balanced menu (feeding 2 meals a day): -8-9 edible bone meals (this includes your minces that have the bone, and the crushes up chicken wings) -4-5 muscle meat meals (no bone - so this will be things like plain chicken meat, pork meat, etc.) -1.5 heart meals (just heart) -1.5 organ meals (1/2 liver, 1/4 kidney, 1/4 other organ - if you can only find kidney then do half liver, half kidney). With the heart and the organ meals, what you would do is 1 meal just hearts, 1 meal just organs, and then 1 meal hearts and organs mixed together - this counts for he 0.5 meal for each). So that is what we would like to have him eating eventually. Let me know if you have any questions about that! Have you had a chance to pick up the pork yet? Adding pork would be our next step, besides increasing the size of the chicken wing bone pieces |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 14:29:50 GMT -5
Ok, I'm guessing the balanced menu is the frankenprey type of menu? if so I can follow that from the forum on facebook as there is a file and No none as of yet, as he hasn't been eating much as it's still too hot and he isn't eating much so i'm sticking with his chicken and mince and soup at the moment but am going shopping tomorrow so Will pick up some pork and try him on some small pieces |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 10:40:56 GMT -5
Yes exactly, it's the frankenprey menu. Frankenprey is basically just taking parts of things and feeding so that your week of meals is balanced, whereas with whole prey each meal is balanced because the whole prey contains the meat, bones, heart, organs in the right proportions. You could definitely start to follow the outline of a frankenprey menu now. For the bone meals you can feed the mince and chicken wings. I'm sorry you are having such a heat wave there! It will definitely slow down his eating so I agree, just let him eat what he wants right now, and then try the pork when you get a chance I will also get you to post your weekly feeding menu today or tomorrow please as well as an updated picture from above and his activity level/weight/stool. Thanks! |
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