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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 22:12:05 GMT -5
We tried an organic chicken egg last night & he ate some of the yoke. I also saw Sanuk eating some FD Turkey Hearts that I left in his treat bowl today. (dance)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 22:12:26 GMT -5
Might be a good idea to give him some eggs and pumpkin or lots of fish oil, just in case to help move things along. He could have also gobbled his food too fast and vomited for that reason, Murder's done that before.
How big are his chunks that he'll eat now?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 22:21:16 GMT -5
I have increased the size of meat chunks to approx. 1/4" cube size. I leaning towards eating is food too fast, he has done that too before & has thrown up.
How do you get a picture on your signature line in your profile?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 6:34:09 GMT -5
If you go to your profile, there's a link on the right hand side of the summary page to edit it. If you click on the personal tab you'll see a box where you can put in your signature. Just use the bbc code as you would normally in a post to put an image in.
[ img ] url here [ /img ] just with no spaces.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 21:25:06 GMT -5
The past couple days, Sanuk has been eating really good, even the bones are going well in his evening meals. He ate all his food this morning(bravo duck), but tonight he doesn't seem too hungry. We took him out later in the day yesterday when it was cooler & he had a blast! He was digging in a hole that he found & dirt was flying everywhere. When we got home he ate his supper & fell asleep. One happy boy!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 5:58:13 GMT -5
Are you having a heat wave there too? Was almost 100 here yesterday, I ended up only feeding the ferrets one meal yesterday, took them all day to eat it. Even with the AC set to 70 they can still tell, their ferret room is upstairs and gets hotter than downstairs since we don't have multi zone heating. Luckily they know enough to move downstairs to the cages there where it's cooler if they're uncomfortable.
But the silly sods will sleep upstairs in the blazing heat if we're up there in the vain hope we'll take then out or play with them. It's amazing how devoted they are. No matter how miserable the conditions, they just want to be with their people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 12:13:16 GMT -5
It is horribly muggy & hot here, but we have central air, so Sanuk stays nice a cool. We take him out sometimes when it is cooler in the evening. I agree, they LOVE being with people.
Sanuk did eat supper after I posted, little turd. LOL He ate almost all of it too.
I got ahold of my classmate that is a butcher & he can get me beef heart, liver & kidneys. Do I need any other organs or do you think these will work well, since I am also feeding commercial?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 18:27:45 GMT -5
In the long run ideally you would want to be able to rotate different organs in and out of the feeding schedule for variety. Remember, heart is considered a muscle meat and not an organ for feeding purposes, and liver is high in vitamin A and must be set to a limited amount a week. That leaves kidney as your only regular organ staple. If you can find stomach (not tripe, actual stomach), brains, reproductive organs or lungs it would be the ideal situation. I can't get lungs here except as jerky, but I found pork stomachs in addition to kidney.
We have central AC as well, less than a year old too but our house is 3 stories, and it just doesn't make it up to the third story loft, which is above the ferret room so it's like an oven up there. We have a ceiling fan and a skylight that opens though, so I'm not too worried.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 18:50:08 GMT -5
Yep,& should give 2oz of heart & 2oz of liver & 2oz of other organ, per week, correct?? Since I'm still going to feed commercial frozen grinds, should I drop those down to 1oz a week, maybe liver less than 1oz since that is touchy on the Vitamin A? My classmate was actually butchering beef today. So I caught him at the right time. I will see if I can get some other organs too. I'm sure he will be butchering other proteins also & will keep them for me too. When preparing the other organs, can I mix them all together & then package them in serving portions when I freeze them? I will keep the hearts & livers separate & portion them out also. Yeah, that would be tough to get the air up on the 3rd floor, unless you put a separate AC up there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 19:12:06 GMT -5
We don't have windows in the loft, so we have no way to vent it. And even if we did, our windows are the stupid crank out open ones, so you can't put a window AC unit in there anyway. Prepackaging portions out sounds like a great idea. I'm going to double check on the organ ratios for you with the other mentors to be sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 19:17:18 GMT -5
Oh, you have those lovely windows. Sounds good. Better go & make someone his supper.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 17:07:34 GMT -5
How many meals during the week is he eating commercial ground with organs in it? If it were only 2-3 meals a week you could use the normal ratios for organs, but if he's eating more than that (daily or close to) you'll need less organs, probably half as much as normal, though he can have all the heart he wants. Normal ratio being 2 oz liver and 2 oz another organ. If you haven't read it (though you probably have) this is a great thread for menu information. holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/146/meat-bone-organ-weekly-menu
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 20:00:58 GMT -5
Yeppers, I have that menu printed out. I would say 5 out of 7 days he eats commercial raw with organs in them. I only have two commercial raw proteins that don't have organ in them & they are the Bravo Basic Turkey & Duck. I did get the Bravo Original in Chicken & Lamb yesterday & was thinking of adding the Chicken with the Turkey & the Duck with the Ostrich to make them balanced with the organs. I have been giving him the FD Turkey hearts every day. I break some up in his treat bowl & she snarfs them up. So, 1oz liver & 1oz other organ would be good once I get him eating more meat & bone chunks on his own & feed him that maybe 3 days a week? Do you know if the freezing process degrades the liver in the Vitamin A? I know FD degrades the potency with the hearts, not sure about freezing. I thought I read it somewhere that freezing was better??? He is getting bone in his evening meals during the week & on the weekends he gets them morning & evening, works out nice for me as I have more time in the evenings to work with him, if he is stubborn & it adds up to 9 meals with edible bones. I am having a hard time getting him to chew on the duck feet. I have tried breaking them up & also put a little Salmon oil on them. He has chewed on them a little, but not like I would like to see him chew on them. Any ideas on how to get him to chew on them more??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 20:39:24 GMT -5
Freezing degrades less than heat, not sure by how much. Me & science, notsomuch I'm afraid. D:
These are dried duck feet right? Try soaking them for a while in a batch of really wet soup and let them rehydrate a little and pick up some of the soup flavor. Maybe that'll do it for him. Mine scarf up fresh chicken feet.
"So, 1oz liver & 1oz other organ would be good once I get him eating more meat & bone chunks on his own & feed him that maybe 3 days a week?"
It's supposed to be 2 ounces a organs a week, are you asking if you should feed him the ounce three times a week? He only needs the 1 ounce total of each during the week. Please let me know if I misunderstood.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 20:53:18 GMT -5
I meant 1oz total a week, sorry. The 3 days of a week I thought I would feed him franken prey, once he is fully eating meat, bone & organ & the other days commercial raw grinds. That is my goal anyway. Ya, it's the dried duck feet. I will try that, thank you.
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