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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 1:02:45 GMT -5
wow... you're an angel! i shall check out those sources soon i made the mistake of mixing the soup and chunks together but it's all evenly half and half so it should be alright... I love your idea to let them go hungry for a bit and then play with them! i might remove their food bowl and scout their cage for scraps in their cage i have attached my old backpack, when they eat they grab a bit and take it to the backpack before they eat it (this is only with chunks, but sable will grab a mouthful of soup if it's dry and take it there) i am happy to make an eating den, except the only problem is i made them one once and they just played in it i think they are both happy to eat in the open, but i will see what i can dig up around the house and look into attaching one to their cage maybe??? now... when i give panda a small chunk of meat she literally turns her nose up at it, she will turn her head this way and that to avoid the meat. I tried to get her to taste liver today by sticking it in her mouth when she yawned, she spat it straight out and hissed at me so i said sorry and cuddled her until she calmed down, but she still refused it when i offered it to her... Panda does eat the chicken necks, or at the very least chews the meat off, i was thinking i would chop them into pieces and give them little bits at a time? wasn't sure if maybe they were too big as for the alpha... i'm not sure how to tell... panda does seem to look to sable and follow sable's example a lot, but panda is also very timid... she is only bold with sable around mostly... I have watched them both eat together, but that being said they usually tend to take their food separate places to eat... so i'm not really sure... the other issue may be that their bowl is rather small... i planned to attach the bigger one when their chunks got bigger, but maybe i should do it now? roughly how long can they go without food? i'm trying to discourage the whole "eating-in-the-cage-and-hiding-all-our-food" thing but at the same time i don't want them going hungry when i'm not home... i try to keep their bowl constantly full... but i'd much rather have meal times and figure out a way to get them to eat in a certain place... ^ regarding this and the eating den issue... i have a cat carrier that i put them in when we go for trips, it has an attachable bowl... maybe i could feed them in that? one at a time... i can then weigh and measure exactly how much they eat and what times etc, plus they can't hide it or run off with it, but it's still enclosed... would that be a good idea? it would make life a lot easier for me too thanks so much for all your help so far!!! oh, and about the soup-for-life question, thanks for clearing that up i knew there had to be a good reason why people don't just feed soup all the time one more question... any such thing as a ferret safe gravy??? i bet they'd eat that all up!
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 20, 2013 9:52:36 GMT -5
wow... you're an angel! i shall check out those sources soon Nope, just a mentor i made the mistake of mixing the soup and chunks together [image] but it's all evenly half and half so it should be alright... Why would that be a mistake? Nothing wrong with it.I love your idea to let them go hungry for a bit and then play with them! i might remove their food bowl and scout their cage for scraps [image] in their cage i have attached my old backpack, when they eat they grab a bit and take it to the backpack before they eat it (this is only with chunks, but sable will grab a mouthful of soup if it's dry and take it there) i am happy to make an eating den, except the only problem is i made them one once and they just played in it [image] The backpack basically is a food den for them then. Might be a bit hard to clean but that is how they are using it.i think they are both happy to eat in the open, but i will see what i can dig up around the house and look into attaching one to their cage maybe??? Not necessary if you think they are happy where you are feeding them. Also, it is easier to clean stashes out of a cage than it is a room, believe me. ;D now... when i give panda a small chunk of meat she literally turns her nose up at it, she will turn her head this way and that to avoid the meat. I tried to get her to taste liver today by sticking it in her mouth when she yawned, she spat it straight out and hissed at me so i said sorry and cuddled her until she calmed down, but she still refused it when i offered it to her... hmmm, ok. It might just be a shyness thing or she want to eat when she wants to eat.Panda does eat the chicken necks, or at the very least chews the meat off, i was thinking i would chop them into pieces and give them little bits at a time? wasn't sure if maybe they were too big [image] Ok, if Panda is eating the chicken necks then she is just being stubborn about sticking to the soup. When you are trying to give her solid food, is it always the same type (just beef, just lamb, just chicken)? She may have a preference and hasn't learned to like the others as much.as for the alpha... i'm not sure how to tell... panda does seem to look to sable and follow sable's example a lot, but panda is also very timid... she is only bold with sable around mostly... I have watched them both eat together, but that being said they usually tend to take their food separate places to eat... so i'm not really sure... the other issue may be that their bowl is rather small... i planned to attach the bigger one when their chunks got bigger, but maybe i should do it now? To me is sounds like Sable is your alpha. When you put down the bowl does sable eat first for a bit before Panda starts? If so then that is the most likely evidence.roughly how long can they go without food? I'm comfortable with about 8 - 9 hours but double that once in a blue moon isn't going to harm a well raw fed ferret (as long as they don't have insulinoma). I feed in the morning, then as soon as I get home from work and then I leave food with them over night in the cage. At each stage if there are leftovers they go in the fridge until the next meal time. In the morning I throw out anything from the previous day. When I pull their food, if there is a piece or two in the cage I leave it so that if someone is hungry during the day they can eat that and sometimes it is eaten when I get home (sometimes not) i'm trying to discourage the whole "eating-in-the-cage-and-hiding-all-our-food" thing but at the same time i don't want them going hungry when i'm not home... i try to keep their bowl constantly full... but i'd much rather have meal times and figure out a way to get them to eat in a certain place... ^ regarding this and the eating den issue... i have a cat carrier that i put them in when we go for trips, it has an attachable bowl... maybe i could feed them in that? one at a time... i can then weigh and measure exactly how much they eat and what times etc, plus they can't hide it or run off with it, but it's still enclosed... would that be a good idea? it would make life a lot easier for me too [image] As I said above, I think the backpack is fine if that is what they are currently using. I'll post again below with our next steps.thanks so much for all your help so far!!! oh, and about the soup-for-life question, thanks for clearing that up i knew there had to be a good reason why people don't just feed soup all the time one more question... any such thing as a ferret safe gravy??? i bet they'd eat that all up! Not that I know of but it would just be a really loose soup. Gravy is traditionally cooked and there is no need for that when feeding ferrets. Some people do cook down a hearty bone / meat broth and freeze it just in case they get a really sick ferret on their hands but it isn't really a required part of the diet.
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 20, 2013 10:06:59 GMT -5
Ok, next steps... It sounds to me that Panda is just being stubborn as you said she will eat chicken necks (which is about as solid as you can get with sold food). And yes you can chop them up if they are having issues breaking up the bone themselves at this point. My girls will totally demolish chicken thigh bones so they will eventually get there. This our strategy to get Panda eating solid food. 1. On a day when you are going to be home all day, prepare two batches of solid food for them (~2 oz to 4 oz each of a variety of meats and organs chopped up small). Chopped so that they are still small individual pieces, not like mince. 2. We are going to offer them food first thing in the morning. Leave it with them for about an hour and then pull it. If they have stashed anything leave it will them. After about 6 hours give them the leftovers back, again for about an hour and then remove it. When you go to bed give them back the food and leave them separated for the night. 3. Feed them separately in two places they can't get to each other and possibly not even see each other. One in cage, one outside, on different levels of the cage with the ramp removed, etc. 4. Weigh anything left over in the morning as this will let you know if you are over feeding when preparing the meals (I tend to be happy if there is only a mouthful or two left over). If everything is gone then I bump up the amount a bit the next day. The amount they eat will vary a bit day to do but dramatically season to season (sometimes by as much as 50%). If Panda still hasn't eaten anything by the time you go to bed then give her back her soup overnight. Let me know how that goes as she has shown she will eat solid food, she is just being picky / stubborn. Th And keep you chin up. My troublemaker during our switch is now my best eater and the one I had little trouble with is now a picky pain in the a$$ So you never know where things are going to end up.
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 20, 2013 17:20:25 GMT -5
I was re-reading your posts to see if I missed anything and saw this:
i have been using raw pumpkin, but i haven't been cooking it... i just use the pumpkin we buy from the supermarket and cut a piece off and measure out a rough amount depending on whether i am making a single batch or double.
Any pumpkin you are feeding the ferrets should be cooked as far as I know. I'll double check this though. Canned pumpkin is pureed and cooked.
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Post by Heather on Apr 20, 2013 17:27:41 GMT -5
Definitely. Sorry...just to pop in. All pumpkin has to be cooked, otherwise it becomes a possible blockage. Sorry to intrude was just prowling...I will go back to prowling ciao
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 20, 2013 20:37:49 GMT -5
The blockage potential is probably low since she is pureeing it in her soup but it still should be cooked to do the job it is intend it to do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 21:16:05 GMT -5
oh... now i feel terrible! eek!!!! ok, so how do i go about cooking it? is there a certain method? should i throw out their current batch of soup since it contains raw pumpkin??? My local supermarket doesn't stock canned pumpkin but with check the other store today and... just to really tick you and me off... after seven hours of refusing to eat a damned thing!!! i went to bed and left their food in a bowl in their cage... and i woke up this morning AND PANDA WAS EATING THE FOOD!!!! i am so ticked off with her for stressing me, biting me and hissing at me when after all that she is eating it anyway!!!!!! grr so... all your instructions aren't needed lol little twerp she is so backpack is a feeding den... wicked! saves me a lot of trouble, would be really handy if they would use something easier to clean though... do you think if i made them one out of a container they would use that instead or just stick to the backpack??? If you think a container is the way to go then any instructions on how to make one? but if you think the backpack is best then how long can i leave the backpack for before i clean it? it gets meat juices and scraps stuck to it so it will eventually go funny... i am currently cleaning it once per week... is that too long apart or should it be safe??? so panda and sable are both eating chunky soup mix... sooo.... do i stick with this for a week or so or just until the end of the batch? it's almost empty so i need to make a new batch tomorrow... when will i know if it's time/ok to increase chunk size? and by how much??? oh, and thanks for your help Heather! so i have a video from trying to feed panda last night... typical panda action; put it in front of her and she turned her head this way and that to avoid it... she hadn't eaten for six hours!!! so if you like i can upload it to facebook and post a link here??? thanks so much for your assistance so far!
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 20, 2013 22:17:06 GMT -5
See, she just needed some tough love! I'd suggest making one batch of soup after this one just to have on hand (in case they regress). I'd stick to the solid food for now and just dab with a spoonful or two of the soup to make them more comfortable with it. When you feel they are ready you can totally remove the spoonful or two of soup and start increasing the size of the meat. For my girls I usually chop everything up into chunks about the size of my thumb or slightly smaller. A meat cleaver is best for chopping up the bone in meats. Are they willingly eating solid organs as well as the chicken necks and other muscle meats? Once you get them fully off the soup, start tracking exactly how much they are eating per day and post it here.eg. _ oz /g bone in meat (type) _ oz / g muscle meat (type) _ oz /g organs (type) Some people feed one type per meal others mix it all together (I try to offer at least 2 proteins per meal, bone in and muscle). I also weigh out their organs for the week and add a bit of it to several meals over the week instead of feeding whole organ meals as I find this cuts down on loose poops. I also add 1 to 2 tsp of pumpkin to every other meal (unless it is whole prey) and supplement with a pinch or two of eggshell powder once or twice a week if my picky eater has been avoiding bones. NOTE: always include all the fat (including chicken skin) with whatever meat you are giving them. They need all the fat they can get in their diet for energy. Another good thing to have on hand is taurine powder (you can get it at health food stores) just in case you can't find hearts. If you can't find liver, another alternative is freeze dried liver treats. You can usually find them at pet stores. They need to be 100% pure liver. I pulverize mine and coat their meat with it kind of like shake and bake. I had to do this for a while because Wilma was having issues with raw liver (not a problem anymore). The goals to aim for are (this assumes 2 different meals a day, I usually prepare 1 and use it all day): 8-9 meals consumable bone in meat (chicken wings, chicken thighs, cornish hens, quail, whole prey, chicken backs, pigeons, grouse, pheasant, rabbit, any small consumable bone in meats). 3-4 meals muscle meats (at least one of which NEEDS to be heart, gizzards are a great muscle meat). 2oz liver and 2oz other organ per week (spleen, kidney, testicles, brain, etc). Organs are anything that secretes. A bare minimum of 3 proteins (the more the better) are needed to cover your ferret's basic nutritional needs. This can change depending on YOUR ferret. Some do better with a bit less bone, some need a bit more. You'll be able to determine what your ferret needs as time passes and you become accustomed to raw feeding. As for cooking pumpkin, cut it open, scrape out all the seeds and stringy bits and roast in a 300 degree oven for about 45 minutes to an hour (it should be really soft to a knife or spoon). When cool, scrape the flesh from the skin and puree with a touch of water. you can then freeze it in ice cube trays and then bag it when frozen. As for feeding dens the cheapest is just a small cardboard box zip tied to the side of the cage with a small hole cut into it. Cheap to make and easy to semi-clean. If it gets too gross just throw it out and make another one. Some people even use paper bags but I think most ferrets would just destroy them. If you want to keep using your backpack that is fine and cleaning it once a week should be ok. The only thing I'd look out for with the backpack is if it has a waterproof / resistant membrane on the inside. I know with some backpacks when this gets old it starts to flake off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 2:08:31 GMT -5
ok... I think i would much prefer to make up batches of food by weighing out the required amounts of everything and then mixing it together... like i do now, but bigger chunks lol so is the current food i'm buying ok? i'll get into the kitchen soon and prepare food for them so... if im cutting the chicken necks in half and giving them one half each in the morning and one half each at night would that be enough bone for them per day? and when you say 3-4 meals of muscle meat how much is that??? weight wise... usually i give them 2oz of lamb heart and i was under the impression that gravy beef was muscle meat too, is it better to remove that? what could i replace it with? chicken breast? i can give them 2oz lamb liver and 2oz lamb kidney easily enough... and i will make the pumpkin today too... the backpack had that flaky weatherproof stuff coming off inside so i removed it and set up a new eating den... will see how that goes if chicken wings are better i can use those too but even sable didn't really take to them last time so i'm not sure how to get them to take to it... what about egg yolk? what part of their diet does that do? and is eggshell still needed if they're getting chicken neck bone? what time zone are you in? it would be handy to know roughly what times during my day you may come online i'm in... i dunno i think its GMT+10 lol i'm feeling a bit stressed about the protein sources... the sources you gave me earlier were great but most of the good ones were too far from me so i'm feeling a bit down about that... i've been calling around and can't find anyone blegh... What about... pig meats? like bacon, ham, ribs etc... would they be good for the girls? i'm stuck with supermarket food til i find a good source aside from my butcher basically i'm just panicking and being a goose but i just feel... incompetent... if i make up "per week" batches of food and feed them mixed bits of everything per meal times would that work? is the gravy beef ok or does it need to go? is there too much lamb? should i add more chicken? like breast? or drumsticks? what about store bought fish? like... salmon? i dunno... will check what my stores sell... it's about time i learnt my options like a sensible farent! i'm sorry for all of the questions... feel free to tell me to stop asking so much thanks again xxx
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 21, 2013 7:46:54 GMT -5
ok... I think i would much prefer to make up batches of food by weighing out the required amounts of everything and then mixing it together... like i do now, but bigger chunks lol [image] so is the current food i'm buying ok? i'll get into the kitchen soon and prepare food for them so... if im cutting the chicken necks in half and giving them one half each in the morning and one half each at night would that be enough bone for them per day? and when you say 3-4 meals of muscle meat how much is that??? weight wise... you have to basically figure out what a meal is for them by weighing their food. Most female ferrets eat between 1 oz to 4 oz per day based on size and season. So I'd suggest giving about 3 oz each per day and then adjusting that if there are a lot of leftovers. If there aren't any leftovers then they need more.usually i give them 2oz of lamb heart and i was under the impression that gravy beef was muscle meat too, is it better to remove that? what could i replace it with? chicken breast? Any meat without bone in it is considered muscle meat.i can give them 2oz lamb liver and 2oz lamb kidney easily enough... and i will make the pumpkin today too... the backpack had that flaky weatherproof stuff coming off inside so i removed it and set up a new eating den... will see how that goes [image] if chicken wings are better i can use those too but even sable didn't really take to them last time so i'm not sure how to get them to take to it... Chop them up and leave them with them. Tough love, just like you did with Panda recently. If they eat chicken necks, they'll eat wings. Chopp them up into pieces about the size of your thumb.what about egg yolk? what part of their diet does that do? Egg yolk really isn't necessary but it is a good source of nutrients, vitamins and fat. I feed maybe one a month as a treat. Others feed them more often. You can also boil the egg and chop up the yolk and add it to their meal.and is eggshell still needed if they're getting chicken neck bone? If they are eating enough other bone in meats then no, it isn't necessary. I just supplement with it every once and a while as one of my girls can be lazy about eating her bones.what time zone are you in? it would be handy to know roughly what times during my day you may come online i'm in... i dunno [image] i think its GMT+10 lol Unfortunately I am in Canada so basically I am 14 hours behind you. I am on a computer pretty much all them time when I am awake though.i'm feeling a bit stressed about the protein sources... the sources you gave me earlier were great but most of the good ones were too far from me [image] so i'm feeling a bit down about that... i've been calling around and can't find anyone blegh... What about... pig meats? like bacon, ham, ribs etc... would they be good for the girls? i'm stuck with supermarket food til i find a good source aside from my butcher [image] Meat is meat as long as it isn't "enhanced" with a salt solution, most larger animals bones will be too large for them to eat though. I would check to see if you can get wallaby or some other locale meat cheaply. Your butcher may be able to specially order stuff for you (see if he can get you a copy of what he can order from his suppliers). Usually you have to order larger amounts but if you explain that you don't have the freezer space currently and will eventually buy the full amount he orders you might be able to work something out.basically i'm just panicking and being a goose [image] but i just feel... incompetent... it's natural to feel like this, a switch is sometimes more stressful for the ferrant than the ferrets ;D That's one of the reasons you have a mentor if i make up "per week" batches of food and feed them mixed bits of everything per meal times would that work? That's what I do, but I package it by day and you have to make sure you get your ratio of bone meat to muscle meats right. Organs are packaged in a weekly amount and doled out mixed with the other stuff for the week.is the gravy beef ok or does it need to go? (I think gravy beef is stew beef? Pre-cut up in chunks, tends to be a cheaper tough part of the cow?) is there too much lamb? should i add more chicken? like breast? or drumsticks? what about store bought fish? like... salmon? i dunno... will check what my stores sell... it's about time i learnt my options like a sensible farent! [image] More variety is always better as it makes your shopping options easier. Meat is meat no matter its source. Fish I am not 100% sure on as I only feed it once in a blue moon. It can cause them to smell fishy if fed to often. I'll get back to you with more info on this.i'm sorry for all of the questions... feel free to tell me to stop asking so much [image] thanks again xxx No need to feel like this. I am here to answer your questions, help build your confidence and get your fuzzbuts on a healthy diet for the rest of their lives!! We'll get them there together!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 8:03:27 GMT -5
so after a day of zipping around town to butchers and pet stores and calling recommended people etc etc i've drawn a blank... either i'm not looking in the right places or i just can't get what i need!!! grr... I'm feeling very stupid at the moment due to being sleepy but i'm going to make a batch soon so i just need to confirm... am i just sticking with my current recipe except bigger chunks and less soup? panda and sable are both eating just fine so i assume it's time to upsize the chunky bits? how much do i increase the chunks by per time??? gravy beef is probably stew beef but not pre cut i have to cut it myself, i buy it because it has more fat and fat is good for ferts erm... right? :/ I TROD ON PANDA!!! and she's completely fine :/ she let off a h*ll of a stink bomb though!!! i scared her but i checked her over and watched her play... she seems perfectly normal... sturdy little things!!! POSSIBLE BLOCKAGE!!! sable seemed to be trying to poop multiple times tonight, maybe two or three... she managed a tiny little sliver of poop... it looked like jelly or something... i'm freaking out!!! funny story... i bought chicken necks and wings and chopped them up as best i could, chicken necks in halves and i just pulled the wings apart at the joints by hand because i can't afford a cleaver just yet... they gobbled up the necks as usual but the wings were put in with the poop blegh... will necks suffice or are wings a must? I'm going to avoid fish because i haven't tested those waters so i will just avoid the stress all together... checked the shop and as i thought; limited options... basic meats like steaks and mince and chicken breast... oh and bacon... mmmmm ^_^ blegh... anyway, shall go and mope about this while i'm in zzz land... i have uni tomorrow so likely won't be on for a while... it'll be four o clock before i'm home, dunno what time that means in canada
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 21, 2013 12:17:47 GMT -5
so after a day of zipping around town to butchers and pet stores and calling recommended people etc etc i've drawn a blank... either i'm not looking in the right places or i just can't get what i need!!! grr... I'm feeling very stupid at the moment due to being sleepy but i'm going to make a batch soon so i just need to confirm... am i just sticking with my current recipe except bigger chunks and less soup? panda and sable are both eating just fine so i assume it's time to upsize the chunky bits? how much do i increase the chunks by per time??? If they are eating solid food (bone in meats, muscle meats and organs) then I think you can pull the soup or reduce it down to once a week. Also keep some on hand in the freezer in case they regress for some reason.gravy beef is probably stew beef but not pre cut i have to cut it myself, i buy it because it has more fat and fat is good for ferts erm... right? :/ Sounds fine to me. Take a picture and send it to me if you are still unsure.I TROD ON PANDA!!! and she's completely fine :/ she let off a h*ll of a stink bomb though!!! i scared her but i checked her over and watched her play... she seems perfectly normal... sturdy little things!!! Watch her carefully as ferrets are masters at hiding injuries. If she shows any sign of injury, take her to the vet as she could have internal damage. POSSIBLE BLOCKAGE!!! sable seemed to be trying to poop multiple times tonight, maybe two or three... she managed a tiny little sliver of poop... it looked like jelly or something... i'm freaking out!!! Check out the forum for blockage information. Push cooked pumpkin, ferretlax or Vaseline every few hours if needed. If she still hasn't pooped after eating for a few hours she'll probably need to see a vet. Have you found anything that looks like they have been chewing on it?funny story... i bought chicken necks and wings and chopped them up as best i could, chicken necks in halves and i just pulled the wings apart at the joints by hand because i can't afford a cleaver just yet... they gobbled up the necks as usual but the wings were put in with the poop [image] blegh... will necks suffice or are wings a must? Wings are not a must but they are a great source of fat and bone. As for a cleaver you might be able to get a cheap on at an asian grocery store (I just found two in Launceston). Asian groceries are also a good source of alternative meats.
www.wingandco.com.au/launceston.html
www.google.ca/search?q=launceston+tasmania+Tsing+Wah+Asian+Grocers&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
I'm going to avoid fish because i haven't tested those waters so i will just avoid the stress all together... checked the shop and as i thought; limited options... basic meats like steaks and mince and chicken breast... oh and bacon... mmmmm ^_^ bacon is usually out as it contains salt and other stuff. Also make sure if you buy pork it doesn't have added salt. You could try pork belly but I'd be careful as it will have a ton of fat. Maybe in limited quantities.
blegh... anyway, shall go and mope about this while i'm in zzz land... i have uni tomorrow so likely won't be on for a while... it'll be four o clock before i'm home, dunno what time that means in canada [image] About 2 am, lol so are correspondence is probably going to be in the morning for me and the evening for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 18:28:07 GMT -5
Panda seems to be eating around the chunks so i'm going to wring her neck Sable pooped i think, but won't be happy until i know for certain... i can't find anything that looks like she has chewed it... found a meat cleaver so will get some wings today and video their reaction i've gone video crazy lol how often should i feed chicken wings per week (provided they eat them) and is it on weight basis or just whole chicken wing basis? and is the entire wing edible for them? i figured bacon was bad, luckily it was for me and not them ;p shall be online most of the day, got 1900 words due so gotta get cracking... found a place that stocks a lot of game meats (one of the sources you provided) they stock and sell quail but i know nothing about quail nor how to prepare it... plus quail are cute Blegh... will keep looking around... i can get mice and rats too, frozen ones, but i dunno how they would know it's food....
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Post by bitbyter on Apr 21, 2013 19:55:19 GMT -5
Panda seems to be eating around the chunks so i'm going to wring her neck [image] If you give her the option she will always take what she prefers / the easy way out. Sable pooped i think, but won't be happy until i know for certain... i can't find anything that looks like she has chewed it... Clean the litter box in the cage and keep just her in there until you get a confirmed poop.found a meat cleaver so will get some wings today and video their reaction [image] i've gone video crazy lol how often should i feed chicken wings per week (provided they eat them) and is it on weight basis or just whole chicken wing basis? and is the entire wing edible for them? Honestly, all food is on a weight basis (you need to start posting the weights of everything they are eating so we can track it). Wings are just another bone in meat but I think they are one of the best as they are easy to find, high in fat and they can consume everything once their jaw strength is sufficient. In my last post I gave you the breakdown of bone in, muscle meat and organ meals per week. It was based on two meals a day. If you are just preparing one larger meal like I do then just cut the numbers in half.i figured bacon was bad, luckily it was for me and not them ;p shall be online most of the day, got 1900 words due so gotta get cracking... found a place that stocks a lot of game meats (one of the sources you provided) they stock and sell quail but i know nothing about quail nor how to prepare it... plus quail are cute They probably come dressed. They just look like tiny darker chickens. I'll take a picture tonight as I am going to be preparing a bunch of stuff for the freezer.Blegh... will keep looking around... i can get mice and rats too, frozen ones, but i dunno how they would know it's food.... All you can do is try. Mice I chop in half lengthwise while still partially frozen but my girls don't like them for some reason. Rats you may have to gut first depending on size (I have a post on the forum on how to gut a Guinea Pig, it should be the same process).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 0:14:20 GMT -5
oh... i forgot anout the weights! for now they are still eating 2oz lamb heart, 1 oz each of lamb kidney and lamb liver, 8 oz of gravy beef, a teaspoon of pumpkin, half a teaspoon of eggshell powder, and an egg yolk in a big batch which takes them 3-4 days at most to get through... i've been forgetting to weigh it before feeding... sorry i plan to buy wings today and turns out it wasn't a cleaver i found so gotta go in and get a cleaver... i just realised how huge they are!!! should i cut up the bones into small pieces of smash them or anything??? posting a video to the facebook page, will tag you in it. shows their food. so you can see texture and chunk size etc
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