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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 2:32:44 GMT -5
As the title suggests.
I have come to think my Marshal bred ferret Avy could likely have this?
I have been reading up on the posts on Hob behavior and my neutered male shows all of it, cept I think he may have an inverted testicle (as all Marshals are neutered). I have heard that when gelding horses, someone neuters it but totally missed an inverted testicle and thus the "gelding" breeds the meres. I've heard of this with dogs too. Long ago when I was a child we had a cat we took to get spayed and come to find out she was a he who had inverted so he got neutered instead lol.
When I had a female ferret (she passed away last summer), while introducing them in the spring of last year (that is when I adopted her last year was during spring) he chased her around and well, mated her a few times. She was spayed of coarse and I don't think he had a full success mating with her but he certainly tried at it a lot. He was around 8 months then.
Right now this year he has lately been a bit moody. He has always been very territorial and hates other males.
Other than the ferret breeding season, he is perfectly fine, though always territorial.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 3:43:14 GMT -5
Nibbler has one testicle that is... apparently not 'undescended' but something else. I can't remember what the vet called it. But one is out, the other is... in. We thought he had only one testicle, like a birth defect or something, until the vet checked and felt the other one. He's chemically neutered rather than castrated. So I guess it's possible both of yours are internal for some reason. Does he have the hob smell? Nibbler did until the chemicals kicked in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 4:02:49 GMT -5
Yeah he has a strong smell right now, like it reminds me of garbage and nicotine lol  I think maybe he had one out and Marshals got that one cut, and never bothered with the undescended one. I assumed it was normal for him (as in, normal for a neutered male to be moody and smelly) until he mated the new female last year and then I started getting suspicions and now again he is a bit moody and his smell is getting strong. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 4:29:15 GMT -5
No, if they're neutered then they shouldn't smell worse than the girls, in my experience and from what I've heard. Should just be a mild ferrety smell
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Post by lorelei0922 on Apr 14, 2013 5:12:20 GMT -5
at the age that marshals neuters they wouldn't have been descended anyway... they would have had to go looking for them and miss one... not sure what the chances are of that ...
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Post by nancyl on Apr 14, 2013 5:28:54 GMT -5
He's adrenal. It's that simple. Get him some Lupron or Des implant.
And as for the one with the retained testicle you'd best have that one surgically removed (and the other one as well) as retained testicles in all animals have a high incidence of developing malignancies. Deslorelin will not help prevent that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 5:40:49 GMT -5
the vet said it's not undescended it's some other sort of testicle issue which means it's in a safe zone so he didn't recommend removing it.
Sad if your ferret is adrenal so young...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 9:16:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't suggest assuming adrenal so soon, especially if the issue is seasonal. Adrenal ferrets don't smell as bad as a male in rut. Is he oiling his coat? My intact boy thought it made him smell wonderful, but I could barely stand it. I do suggest taking him to a vet to determine which is truly the issue so you can make an informed decision on how to proceed.
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Post by Sherry on Apr 14, 2013 10:01:22 GMT -5
Tundra, are you thinking of a cryptorchid? If so then yes, those need to be removed.
Weaselwoman, is your guy very oily, sliming things, marking, etc? He could have the same thing. I'm not sure if he'd have to have an xray or an ultrasound, but it would likely be one or the other to make sure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 11:16:30 GMT -5
As Sherry has mentioned, ferret can be "cryptorchids", which means they have undescended testicles. This situation can cause significant health risks. Sometimes, the retaied testicle can be "inconveniently located", so it would not be impossible to "miss" a testicle during castration. Here is a very good article on cryptorchid dogs. While ferret cryptorchids may have the same risks, I don't know if the risk of problems (other than cancer) would be as high in ferrets as it is in dogs. www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/cryptorchidism.html#testis-disease(And of course, the problem may be adrenal issues only) -jennifer |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 13:14:03 GMT -5
He did that marking thing last year, all over the pillows and my shirts... :/ However this year there is pee pads in corners, and I have taken up anything that I don't want marked if he has been doing so. I know his paper shavings box has been peed in already but I'll just replace the paper.
It does sound like maybe he has this undescended issue. They loose fur when Adrenal, right? He has a full fluffy coat right now. All this stuff is seasonal and then he goes right back to normal. I will try to take him to a vet to figure things out when I find one that actually touches ferrets.
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Post by crazylady on Apr 14, 2013 13:27:30 GMT -5
Hi it does sound as if he is crypto I would have that seen to as soon as possible I have known a number die from cancers due to crypto ( cats too ) and in no way should he be bred from the quicker its found and removed the better good luck take care bye for now
Bev
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Post by katt on Apr 14, 2013 14:22:23 GMT -5
An undescended testicle is called Cryptorchid. However as mentioned ferrets are not old enough to have had Either testicle descend when they are neutered at the mills. The symptoms you describe are very much adrenal disease.  You need to take him in to a good ferret vet and probably get him on either Lupron injections (given monthly) or a Deslorelin implant. They do not always loose fur with adrenal if it is caught early enough. My Koda never even had coat thinning. He became very sexually aggressive, and he developed IBD. (Whether the IBD was from adrenal disease or triggered by his blockage surgery or both I can't really say, but it DID improve significantly when we got him on Lupron and later Des). Treating the adrenal disease completely solved the issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 15:27:27 GMT -5
I agree that this issue may be adrenal only. But if the symptoms are extreme at a young age, it may be worth discussion with a vet regarding the possibility of cryptorshidism. Indeed, farm ferrets are neutered prior to the descent of testicles. However, testicles can be located in the abdomen where they do not belong (even prior to descent). the link provided in a previous post discusses some this - it's not impossible for a testicle to be located as far away as near a kidney. -jennifer |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 15:33:21 GMT -5
Really, given how much MF botches spays and descentings, them missing a testicle doesn't seem like a stretch even when they have to go "fishing" for them. For all we know the tech could have been near time to go home, or to go on break and didn't want to bother looking for a second one that wasn't in its proper place and said f*** it, one'll be good enough to stop him from breeding.
Adrenal's certainly possible too, but I'm skeptical, especially if the vet confirmed he does indeed have something in there he shouldn't.
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