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Post by Sherry on Apr 1, 2011 17:04:48 GMT -5
I've started putting the RR in the water for the ferrets, I've already rubbed some in the cat's ears(they are definitely feeling the stress from us), but I don't have a clue how to use it preventatively.
I'll be dabbing some on noses/ears when we bring her back home for them, but not sure how often, or how long, I should use it in this manner?
Ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 17:46:09 GMT -5
your fuzz got upper respiritory probs?
I have used it dab on the nostril area & a couple drops in Vaporizer for a hour or so at a time.
give the room time to dry back out again & do it a couple times a day-
also benedryl(children's cherry flavor) 1 ml - extra soupies & be sure they keep hydrated..
also childrens DECONGESTANT nose drops(generic CVS works well)
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Post by Sherry on Apr 1, 2011 18:39:03 GMT -5
No, Sinnead is being PTS tonight. I'm concerned for her cage mates. and RR is Bach's rescue remedy.
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Post by katt on Apr 1, 2011 19:33:46 GMT -5
Sherry, if I remember correctly from when Kenai came home, it is best given every 12 hours or so. I would overdo it intentionally because too much can't hurt. May be a waste, but who cares?  I would do a few little drops each on ears, nose, tongue, and water. Because both of them were having pretty serious stress poops. I figured that covered all of my bases. The e/n/t would ensure they got it, and the water ensured that if it wore off from the body drops they would still get some in the water to hopefully keep it working. I would repeat this at night. I know that after a point it doesn't help more to give them any more, but I figured if you can't "overdose" on it, then why not be extra sure you are getting the maximally useful dose?  That was my thinking and strategy. And considering how stressful this will be for all of them, I would say better to overdo it since it won't hurt them, than to under do it. Obviously I could be wrong. Someone correct me if I am please.  |
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Post by Sherry on Apr 1, 2011 19:37:07 GMT -5
I've got no problem with overdoing it a bit. My concern is that once every 12 hours or so to the e/n/t will be enough, combined with the water.
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Post by katt on Apr 1, 2011 19:57:34 GMT -5
If you are concerned, then do the e/n/t every 6-8 hours. If you aren't afraid of overdoing it and "Wasting" RR, then I'd be all for 6 hours. And bigger doses each time as well. Better safe than sorry. Plus in the water.
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Post by Heather on Apr 1, 2011 21:31:44 GMT -5
Adding more to the water isn't going to do anything, except waste it. What you do is add to ears and nose tips, even foot pads. You can start at 10 to 15 min for acute stages for the first hour or two, moving it out to every half hour for another couple of hours, then every hour. I've heard of it being used even every 5 min for the first half hour and increasing it from there if the little one (or yourself) needs it.
ciao
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Post by Sherry on Apr 2, 2011 12:22:51 GMT -5
Thanks both of you. It's handy to know this. Thank heavens- they are doing well so far. I've been doing the RR every couple of hours today. They've been playing and chasing, but it does seem a bit more aggressive than usual. They of course looked for her body today, but seem to have settle reasonably well.
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Post by katt on Apr 2, 2011 12:40:54 GMT -5
I am really glad they seem to be taking it so well. Hopefully this continues. And you know, with them following her and they got their chance to say goodbye...they knew it was her time. Perhaps they just understand you know? I mean I am sure they upset, but it is like when an old grandparent dies who has been sick for a long time. It's both a relief and sadness when they leave. Sadness at loosing them, but relief that they are no longer in pain.
*hugs* I hope they keep doing well. How is Boris?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 13:57:41 GMT -5
Same here, glad to hear that your fuzz are taking things well....I too am curious as to how Borris is doing....
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Post by Sherry on Apr 2, 2011 14:47:49 GMT -5
He is...odd. We brought Sinnead back last night so they could make their goodbyes. He walked up to her very cautiously, gave a sniff, then just started running. Pretty much nonstop. He refused to look at her, and would run up the odd time, sort of hover his head over her sniffing, and start running again. He didn't want to be touched, didn't want the other ferrets touching him. You could see he was really angry and in pain, and if he were human, I'd say he'd gone into total denial of the fact his friend had passed. We put them back up in their cage later, and he immediately started eating his mice. Today, he's been playing and chasing with the others, but really quite roughly. Lucrezia simply quit playing with him. I had a bit of a time getting his meds into him this morning, but I did. I'm going to definitely continue with the RR for a while. I'm not quite sure what to make of his behaviour. Vincent and Lucrezia's behaviour was more what I'd been expecting. Grooming her, getting under the blankie nudging her to get up and play. But it almost broke my heart when Lucrezia gave a huge sigh, and just laid down on top of Sinnead  She curled up beside her for a long time, and finally fell asleep there. |
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Post by katt on Apr 2, 2011 14:56:41 GMT -5
Aw Boris! He sounds like the troubled kid who acts out by getting into fights and trouble. *shakes head* I really hope that this doesn't mean when it does hit him it hits him hard. Poor little buddy. That really is strange. Perhaps Heather will have some input...? Also, as I typed it just occurred to me... could this be his version of going Lady "B" Itchy? If I am remembering right, when she lost her mate she would not accept any other ferret for quite a while and is still - as we all know - very...well... "B" Itchy.  |
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Post by Heather on Apr 2, 2011 16:25:38 GMT -5
It does sound like Lady "B", though I've never had any go into hyper mode. He does sound like he's angry with Sinnead for leaving him alone. Believe me he knows. The one way to tell is how seriously they look for their friend. I find that allowing them to say goodbye stops that endless search loop that they get into. I hope that he accepts it and moves on. Lady "B" never moved on, though she seems better the last few weeks, but she's now being treated for adrenal and perhaps her being ill might be part of her "different" behaviour. I've had protest poops, ripped hammies and blankies, all in the name of grief.
The photo that is on my grief article is Odin saying goodbye to Loki. He was heartbroken and that was his farewell time with Loki Bears. His behaviour was the same as Lucrezia. Yes, it is heartbreaking because ferret do cry, and to watch and listen to this fellow, grieve for his friend was indeed heartbreaking. That is what Napoleon did with Mischief. I think that type of goodbye is indeed more common than we think. I hope that you continue to see improvement as grief becomes acceptance. I don't think they forget, they, like us, accept.
ciao
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Post by miamiferret2 on Apr 2, 2011 16:35:44 GMT -5
yes they do cry. i have only heard it a few times but it is heartbreaking to hear. i hope that Boris will be ok. he's got other friends at least. poor boris.  |
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Post by Sherry on Apr 2, 2011 16:45:02 GMT -5
Right now, he's sleeping cuddled up with his brother, so I hope so, too.
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I would do a few little drops each on ears, nose, tongue, and water. Because both of them were having pretty serious stress poops. I figured that covered all of my bases. The e/n/t would ensure they got it, and the water ensured that if it wore off from the body drops they would still get some in the water to hopefully keep it working. I would repeat this at night. I know that after a point it doesn't help more to give them any more, but I figured if you can't "overdose" on it, then why not be extra sure you are getting the maximally useful dose? 
