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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 17:49:41 GMT -5
Oh my gosh the poor baby.
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Post by Heather on Jan 27, 2013 18:56:08 GMT -5
Oh, wow....poor wee mite. Her teeth are terrible. She needs to have them seen to. Aging would be next to impossible though from the clarity of the gums, she's up there.....but considering the damage (she looks like she chewed rocks, though I would bet cage bars) I don't know if we could tell by her teeth. Getting her sleeping and taking the pic is definitely a great way to get a clear pic...if you can open her mouth just a bit so we can get a clear look at those canines it would help. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 21:14:47 GMT -5
I've never seen them as bad as that before. Poor little girl.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 0:13:31 GMT -5
This is about the best I can do for inside of her mouth. Even in DFS mode she wakes up (long enough to wiggle her mouth away from my hand then goes back to sleep) It's a little blurry, but you can see one of the bottom canines is completely gone. I don't want to put pressure on her mouth to try to get another one, but she will be going to the vet this week.
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Post by Sherry on Jan 28, 2013 9:59:48 GMT -5
OMG, that poor girl She's not had a happy history I don't think
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Post by Heather on Jan 28, 2013 11:53:17 GMT -5
I have to admit in all the years that I've done rescue (limited up here to be true) I've never seen a mouth like that. That poor wee thing. ** Please note....she appears to have a sore on the roof of her mouth...possible ulcer (I love these photos because you get to see things you wouldn't be able to see by looking in her mouth). This may also be affecting how she eats. With teeth that bad, this will be seriously affecting her immune system. What did they do to this poor wee thing. I rarely use bottom canines to judge age (it appears to be all she has) but I'm seeing about 1/3 clarity on the top of the tooth with some clarity on the gums. That would normally put her age at around 3 to 5 yrs but...and this is a big but....her mouth is so bad that I really doubt we could seriously age her this way. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 15:44:20 GMT -5
TheI honestly think that the people that had my babies before I got them just pretty much kept them controversial of the way they behaved the first few days they were here. It was almost like.the opening to their cage was an invisible wall (while open) When we'd open it they would stand there until we'd take them out. If we set them in it for.potty or food breaks, they would stand where the bottom door opening was and wait. Kadie was the first one to discover that they could come out of the cage on their own. Now about the only time they're in it is to eat and potty, then it's back out to play. We have to be gone for more than an hour or 2 we will cage them (which isn't often) and they get this what did we do pout (at least that's what it looks like to me, but I can't stand caging them. Lol) My mother has always told me that I am attracted to sick/injured animals. Every animal I've ever owned has been a rescue and/or had 'issues'.....In my experience though, they turn out to be the sweetest and most loyal for the people that take the time and care needed to show them that life doesn't have to be horrible, they don't have to be scared all of the time, and that people can be good. I see all animals prior, just in different shapes. They all have feelings and personalities that are unique. They know when they are being treated unfairly, and they know when they're loved. My rescue are my children. Lol. You wouldn't give up a child because they've been abused, or have a few issues that make them unique, so why give up on animal? Neither get to choose their how well they're looked after or treated by their parents, nor do they want or choose to be neglected and abused. They are the ones that have to cope with who they are and what they've been through. It's our job to help them do so and show them that things can get and stay better. I have been looking into exotic pet insurance that is excepted by my vet, and when Fifi was sick he told us about an online type of loan company their office works with that helps to cover procedures that would run way too high for someone to cover upfront. My big worry IS the fact that Kadie's teeth are to the point that they will/are affecting her health as you mentioned. No matter her age, we are still going to love her and care for her as if she is going to be with us forever. Lol. I tend to get rather attached to all of my furry/fuzzy kids. Someday, I would love to be able to open a sanctuary for all types of critters, furry, fuzzy, scaley, feathered, Lol. To be honest, it's probably what most would consider a 'pipe dream' considering it would cost a ton of money to start and require a lot of funding to keep going. For now though, I'll have to stick with doing things on a small scale (right now I have a 5month old kitten I've been trying to rehabilitate since before he could eat solid food, but I'm still the only human he will willingly let get near him and Kadie thinks he's great fun to play hide and seek with so he's probably not going to get rehomed. Lol) and take care of the babies I have now. I tried to get Kadie to eat a/d critical care parte, and she snubbed it, she also snubbed mushy kibble, so I took some of the EVO and ground it into smaller pieces that she wouldn't have to chew as much and she seems to be accepting of it. Lol. Any ideas as to how I could make moist food or kibble more appealing?
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Post by Heather on Jan 28, 2013 16:06:06 GMT -5
As we often discover when trying to switch little ones.....the food they get in the first 9 months of their lives is the food they will accept, good, bad or indifferent...it's their way. Everything else is considered suspect. If you want her to learn how to each mush (this is why I go straight to raw ;D) you make up a bowl of whatever you're feeding and when one dashes by you pick the wee one up and dab it on their nose. I don't know about the kibbles (never switched that way ) but they will gag and spit and carry on like you're poisoning them. In about 5 minutes you grab and do it again. Eventually they will start to lick it off your finger, then you start dragging that finger toward the bowl...or using a spoon. Ferrets are not only taste fixated but texture too You're teaching them not only a taste difference but a texture too. I've found some ferrets to be so texture fixated that even the change in texture of a meat will turn them off. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 16:09:33 GMT -5
Have you tried making raw soup?
You could puree it really, really fine and soupy...she may like that but I know some ferrets think its poison.
Once of mine loved it the immediately...the other guy not so much.
Here, I copied it from the mentoring sign up page:
8oz chicken(or other meat) One chicken liver(or 2oz other liver) 2 chicken hearts(or 1oz other heart) 1/2 tsp eggshell powder
It'll be nutritionally great for her (though it could use another organ meat, if I'm not mistake, if you happen to want to keep her on it for a prolonged period. Someone correct me if I'm wrong!) and you can get it really, really soup-like no-chunks with a food processor or blender.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 16:11:46 GMT -5
I see all animals as people not prior. Lol. Auto correct malfunction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 16:19:39 GMT -5
I have actually been thinking about trying to switch them to raw, and the soup is a great Idea that I will pic up the ingredients for and make tomorrow. Where would I find eggshell powder? It may be a dumb question, but I've honestly never heard of it before.
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Post by Heather on Jan 28, 2013 16:28:39 GMT -5
Make yourself an omlet...wash egg shells and dry...pound to a powder (I use a mortar and pestle an Sherry uses a coffee grinder ) Do not buy....create ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 16:56:43 GMT -5
We we're going to pick up some long grain non instant rice to make a dog box with tomorrow too. Another reason I think they've been cages most of their loves is the lack of play. Kadie loves to play jingle ball, and what I call hide and seek tag with the kitten, but if you put Sadie around toys she kind of seems to ignore them. I've been able to get her to play some with the talking ball and the tunnel but not much luck with anything else so far. The only time I've eves seen them actualities to play with each other was after an outing (its been unusually warm here for winter around 70 some days) they wrestled for a little while before crashing. Any ideas as to how I might be able to convince them to play a little more, or should I give them a bit longer to play on their own?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 16:59:28 GMT -5
Lol. Thank you for the eggshell powder tip !
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Post by Sherry on Jan 28, 2013 17:41:36 GMT -5
It is going to take them a while, but two things that get ours going are towel rides and cat teaser toys. With towel drags just drag a large bath towel behind you as you walk. It becomes a mobile wrestling mat. You might have to put them on it a couple of times if they've not done it before. You can also drag a flexible tube behind you with both ends dragging on the floor.
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